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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    at least your ADNA isn't of lowly Celtic stock?
    A bit ironic to say considering what happened to the Anglo-Saxon elite once the Norman French arrived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    Maybe it came with the Normans and outclasses your autosomal DNA, but it doesn't mind as at least your ADNA isn't of lowly Celtic stock?
    Oh I got plenty of Celtic...at least on paper...15% Scottish, 14% Welsh, 11% Ulster Scot, 5% Ireland.

    And on many of those Celtic/Germanic simulations I often come out 40-45% Celtic.

    On the latest version (post 323) in the current nMonte3 thread, I was 42.6% Briton i.e. pre Anglo-Saxon native.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopfjäger View Post
    A bit ironic to say considering what happened to the Anglo-Saxon elite once the Norman French arrived.
    The joke is that Mitchell's Y and autosomal DNA don't get along, (so, look at what happened to the Saxons when the Normans took over, imagine if they were those lowly Celts - an "it could be worse" joke)

    Don't worry, I won't quit my day job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    The joke is that Mitchell's Y and autosomal DNA don't get along, (so, look at what happened to the Saxons when the Normans took over, imagine if they were those lowly Celts - an "it could be worse" joke)

    Don't worry, I won't quit my day job.
    Jokes and feudalism aside, I'm also looking forward to this since my paternal lineage apparently hails somewhere between Kent and Huntingdonshire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopfjäger View Post
    Jokes and feudalism aside, I'm also looking forward to this since my paternal lineage apparently hails somewhere between Kent and Huntingdonshire.
    My line appears to be from Berkshire and we are distantly related to a very large family, surname Gay which appears to be mostly concentrated in Devon, and there is a paper trail of this family immigrating to Isle of Wight, Virginia at the same time my NPE family, Wilder, immigrated to Suffolk, Virginia, circa 1650. Any way, using 75 years per snp, it looks like the Wilder/Shields group and Gay had a common ancestor around 200BCE to 200AD. Wilder and Shields spilt sometime around 700AD. The surnames really do not provide any clues as Wilder and Gay are Norman/Middle English descriptive surnames and Shields is an Anglo-Saxon/Old English habitational descriptive surname. So someone from the wilds, someone who is happy/jovial, and someone who lived in a 'sceol', which means someone who lives in a shed or shelter. But being that there was a decent amount of DF27 in the Celtic Paper, my guess would be that we all descend from Celts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webb View Post
    My line appears to be from Berkshire and we are distantly related to a very large family, surname Gay which appears to be mostly concentrated in Devon, and there is a paper trail of this family immigrating to Isle of Wight, Virginia at the same time my NPE family, Wilder, immigrated to Suffolk, Virginia, circa 1650. Any way, using 75 years per snp, it looks like the Wilder/Shields group and Gay had a common ancestor around 200BCE to 200AD. Wilder and Shields spilt sometime around 700AD. The surnames really do not provide any clues as Wilder and Gay are Norman/Middle English descriptive surnames and Shields is an Anglo-Saxon/Old English habitational descriptive surname. So someone from the wilds, someone who is happy/jovial, and someone who lived in a 'sceol', which means someone who lives in a shed or shelter. But being that there was a decent amount of DF27 in the Celtic Paper, my guess would be that we all descend from Celts.
    You can go back further than I can, brick-walled in North Carolina during the late 1700s. My Big Y matches are Fullers, Ragsdales and Townsends (Warboys, Hunts). I reckon my folks probably assimilated and/or bred with migrating clans early on.
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    The 24 hour countdown has begun.........see you same time tomorrow for a devastating change to my preconceived notions of our ethnic make-up
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadegreg View Post
    The 24 hour countdown has begun.........see you same time tomorrow for a devastating change to my preconceived notions of our ethnic make-up
    Which was what, out of curiosity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadegreg View Post
    The 24 hour countdown has begun.........see you same time tomorrow for a devastating change to my preconceived notions of our ethnic make-up
    Is the paper being released tomorrow or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadegreg View Post
    The 24 hour countdown has begun.........see you same time tomorrow for a devastating change to my preconceived notions of our ethnic make-up
    May the DNA and identity gods have some mercy on us.
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