MitchellSince1893 and Dewsloth:
Indeed, when one is devoted to a pastime such as the one that consumes so many of us, wait times seem interminable. However, I have been "in the game" since 2000 (deCODEme) and my FTDNA number is 1336, and all I could do until the year 2020 was create hypotheses. Since my Y line is from the coastal area of East Anglia surrounded by Scandinavian village names, and my ancestors in Medieval times were wealthy shipbuilders with a Scandinavian surname Falke / Falck, I hypothesized that they arrived in England with the Danish Viking "Great Army". My haplogroup being a R-U152 subclade seemed at the time to militate against the hypothesis, but none the less I created the "Cimbri hypothesis" to explain the "Alpine - Celtic" haplogroup being in Denmark. Then in 2020, only two years ago, everything changed.
The Margaryan study of Viking Era genomes showed via ancient DNA testing that R-L20/S144 was found in those times in at least 3 places in Denmark. Then in 2022 the Gretzinger Anglo-Saxon study showed that the only R-U152 and subclades individual was R-L20/S144 from a 5th Century cemetery on the Sussex coast between two established Jute areas (Kent and Hampshire), and in a Jute "treaty settlement" area between the Ouse and Cuckmere Rivers (Cunliffe, 1997). This individual and I and one other from an unknown location were the only ones who are R-L20/S144 > BY61198. The MRCA was estimated as 50 AD. So now I can focus on Jutland and of course the results of the above bog burial site will be of interest (most burials of the time were cremation), although the acidic conditions may have destroyed all the DNA from even the petrous bone and teeth.
The point is, luck plays a big role and within a 2 year period I have been blessed with an huge incremental awareness of probable Y line origins. With my maternal uncle (Shetland Y origins) it is even more dramatic - although the Y-STR data had shown that the western Norway fjords were the likely points of origin. Big Y showed that his R1a-Z284 lineage Y64062 was shared with only one Norwegian MRCA circa 800 AD, and back to YP4345 shared with 5 Norway, 4 Ireland and 4 Scotland with MCRA circa 600 AD and so on. The closest ancient DNA match was to an individual from Deerness, Orkney with MRCA circa 600 AD part of the "Viking Orkney" group. So I don't think that it gets much better than that - and in two years. So the point is that over the next two years with the rate at which these studies were being published, hopefully the answer could be relatively close. Being a "Baby Boomer" my days are numbered so perhaps I will learn even more, but what is already "in the can" is quite sufficient. Luck plays such a big role for us genetic genealogists in this field - who would have figured that the only Anglo-Saxon R-U152 from the Gretzinger study would match my very rare BY61198 - fortune smiled and for that and so much more I am very thankful.
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