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Thread: Upcoming paper on Anglo-Saxon migration period??

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    I am hoping FTDNA will analyze many of the BAM files from this important paper and incorporate the ancient DNA results in their new beta discovery site. Given the fact a huge proportion of their customer base have their Y-DNA ancestry from England, I believe this would likely be even more important than the Viking paper for many.
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    Whatever happened to the Single Grave culture study?
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    Modern Englishmen do not seem to cluster so far from England_IA when compared to ancient and modern Scandinavian populations.

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    Sweden_Pre-Viking,0.126913,0.127957,0.0705215,0.062662,0.0457005,0.0211955,0.0019975,0.006923,0.0065445,-0.006652,0.000812,0.002248,-0.004534,-0.0009635,0.019408,0.0018565,-0.010887,0.0023435,0.007353,0.003877,0.0016225,0.0041425,0.0013555,0.0159055,0.0007185
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    English:Cheshire(n=3),0.13104092494499994,0.135841040878,0.06031951800159999,0.04180125831100022,0.03880577755240001,0.016398432178479992,0.004482429212999988,0.0053073038579999465,0.004405338512000174,0.003022190548000455,-0.004699579286592001,0.0048379772720000495,-0.010566192780999958,-0.008515777975999313,0.016933077664000033,0.005049652537000189,-0.006090606967999895,0.0013686642999999887,0.0021312190989999738,0.0022936451960000066,0.0040821761360001554,0.002323235378000022,0.0007540124939999827,0.011827439968999987,0.000013180401999912314
    English:Cornwall(n=13),0.13084209324300003,0.138093588972,0.06156023148700002,0.04275799262399982,0.041325994351600004,0.017232573164939993,0.0033386280289999823,0.005043863743000036,0.007307873987000184,0.0058238658379999655,-0.005234920793175999,0.005349705887999977,-0.01282947903799999,-0.009706140791999943,0.020505967758999953,0.004753348496000073,-0.00891201103499994,0.0013466507349999962,0.0019480439709999415,0.0017017216393999893,0.005624665632999903,0.0017705568649998915,0.00017489314400003127,0.012299164445999919,0.0006190771410003199
    English:Cumbria(n=6),0.13219982158899996,0.13915302472400004,0.06291497534879999,0.045454998044000064,0.04218963997979999,0.01802251416635999,0.004091462579000021,0.0062138445720000424,0.005932851882999999,0.003981006315000142,-0.005154815638556,0.005030473252999948,-0.011768189277999984,-0.010218058809000124,0.02050508904100017,0.004273005738000156,-0.009817482943999962,0.0019631576949999704,0.0022803210889999967,0.0013810094996000023,0.004288835358000089,0.002405715058,0.00012786664300000515,0.012915616059000073,-0.0002969696759999498
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    English:Devon(n=4),0.1309168736660002,0.13800585402399998,0.0590086687578,0.04192190149799997,0.0409307359008,0.016675927279419994,0.0037894433660000462,0.005729628745999974,0.007328396378000267,0.006959305515999933,-0.005273926635416001,0.005730396733000023,-0.013054275302000021,-0.011758737380999636,0.020066198514999842,0.005264606738999996,-0.008248862798,0.0018249685860000052,0.0021062678300000116,0.0009870287113999893,0.004691620047000376,0.002401355387999869,-0.0003996782420000464,0.012551633894,-0.0001596667669999663
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    English:Lancashire(n=33),0.13093831175399975,0.137702914261,0.06254176492499999,0.04424569573499995,0.041930369709,0.017474338393620007,0.003757298328000026,0.005324004745999963,0.007154782641000013,0.004921606460000047,-0.005766473306572,0.005193876442999902,-0.011854566510000008,-0.008755037482000018,0.020270817521999933,0.006055515807000047,-0.0075504179919998575,0.001662793298000076,0.002234407634999919,0.0027269836095999917,0.0055401705100002595,0.0016632732639998166,0.0003420235870000242,0.01204606243399995,0.0005013332600000697
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    English:Merseyside(n=20),0.13071845603699975,0.13663922589,0.062261838071600004,0.045149078570999916,0.04061784478379999,0.01791373257163999,0.0038666180600000284,0.005660783193000061,0.00636795473499985,0.003545433737000084,-0.005115081125392001,0.004654920443000022,-0.011116168220000009,-0.0092649952249995,0.019765787805999968,0.005456101064000127,-0.008175221064000116,0.0014318516919998386,0.0020189057059999665,0.0020905615433999985,0.005189355294000306,0.0016908024699999152,0.0004790771360000093,0.01154968896599988,0.0006030957280000644
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    English:South-Yorkshire(n=6),0.13100270791099997,0.13612913480900002,0.061803567161199995,0.04614527966399938,0.0407175000646,0.018186490255719993,0.003568533660999997,0.005220822109999988,0.005779951765999989,0.002875298459000154,-0.005612741787167999,0.0045540975679999665,-0.01049290990799998,-0.007154748841999891,0.019845351642999918,0.005355980376000085,-0.008504840996000016,0.001606284994000031,0.0023025500119999427,0.002217615883599998,0.004762017290999962,0.0012831656619999281,0.0007356115939999742,0.010811463497999994,0.00038536030399983004
    English:Staffordshire(n=13),0.13151331052400012,0.137814835504,0.06168800265039999,0.04381068296799982,0.040670723302,0.017133959336099996,0.00405371494,0.005997377270999913,0.005447345337999843,0.0033642006170002707,-0.0050875487193,0.004918744706999981,-0.011299050289999982,-0.009473305592999946,0.01918593855999991,0.004517651246000058,-0.008034230660999866,0.0016511651459999773,0.00228500359599999,0.0021139098192000036,0.004269788022999975,0.002338756177000104,0.0006082172629999681,0.01233973661499994,-0.0002952319150001607
    English:Surrey(n=3),0.13101901749500017,0.139684551963,0.06084457216980001,0.04349958159499986,0.0410850704344,0.017218482018599997,0.0034943154050000084,0.005082706739999804,0.006329595790000143,0.005611160449999879,-0.005456205531028001,0.006381636609999991,-0.013845389475000013,-0.01154087284999988,0.022552395699999964,0.005290007605000142,-0.009520593410000139,0.00174064722999993,0.0028510354200000122,0.00259866828699999,0.005602156020000379,0.002601595769999949,0.0007103879200000383,0.014454488474999895,0.00017831035000014377
    English:Tyne_and_Wear(n=5),0.13103597981599968,0.136195906026,0.0626524881618,0.04321613074899995,0.04104307945660001,0.01651268981974,0.003604134283999993,0.005810050714000153,0.007500818868999809,0.005567427714999695,-0.004087997962399999,0.005158918201000036,-0.011761203524999998,-0.013180141964999371,0.019570842933000026,0.004184532502999997,-0.008775202154000069,0.001397890468999968,0.001020533639999979,0.001398767396999999,0.004502694086000191,0.003232998547999877,-0.00033874518699996423,0.010676474092000073,-0.0003364869080000367
    English:Warwickshire(n=7),0.13049495821200024,0.13739151593700002,0.06082833668880003,0.04225911146299976,0.0404185651366,0.016366561756859993,0.00428807499299998,0.005410372374000162,0.005922045630999891,0.004572372743999706,-0.005307491928432,0.0055499686039999765,-0.011974109141999987,-0.010322947856999531,0.019249424045000005,0.005817956792999981,-0.006635653153000179,0.0015765978679999314,0.002176627957999985,0.0026772818948000063,0.0049864612200001684,0.0023688077469999026,0.00047217030299997174,0.012397674796000043,0.00019164436699959514
    English:West-Midlands_county(n=22),0.1311354653090002,0.13704366373399998,0.06102793355,0.04309440018499979,0.04005016691739999,0.01679486001638,0.004059567343000011,0.00574576744599996,0.005668355060999696,0.004178389755999924,-0.0049495830291599995,0.005415532968000056,-0.012085726830000013,-0.01106407064500007,0.019587603287999904,0.005091003811999855,-0.007785250336000206,0.0017397662239998684,0.002347497632999992,0.0021939952150000007,0.004567877603999895,0.0027695200640000354,0.0004734842060000121,0.012831525337999994,-0.00015448745700019292
    English:West-Yorkshire(n=12),0.13113071109399999,0.13753563324700002,0.06185948187600001,0.04502749428999995,0.040916334084599985,0.017923104938479997,0.003963141004000025,0.005723102798000014,0.005770611090999748,0.003720871218000168,-0.005571192060003998,0.005272749906999941,-0.012241885613000008,-0.00939893752099958,0.021225977065999886,0.005282999106000091,-0.008570024142000213,0.0015916435409999265,0.00197766695299995,0.002941321030600002,0.005802881163000229,0.0018607228419999068,0.0002794898089999962,0.012269710787000027,0.0004596838200000477
    English:Worcestershire(n=4),0.13162759891000006,0.13729804419500005,0.061282574157799995,0.04538318924999966,0.04052213330719998,0.017818021582140003,0.003932332124000055,0.006143632106999971,0.004451207846999962,0.002720075495000158,-0.0054353602097120006,0.005268213131999994,-0.011618921073000013,-0.009479895887999568,0.020242909758000065,0.004247850718000035,-0.008275656070999969,0.0018950925710001006,0.0021235804709999534,0.0030292242165999963,0.004651681728000245,0.0022352836749999928,0.00046042655799997684,0.011707254409999975,-0.0003537142269999932
    French_Brittany,0.13146573,0.13834055,0.05785035,0.039284875,0.03916875,0.015813075,0.0031549,0.00421135,0.008186,0.0094899,-0.005131425,0.005590025,-0.01436805,-0.013101675,0.0183426,0.004398675,-0.007301575,0.0012795,-0.00046195,0.001772675,0.0044671,0.00178685,-0.00125405,0.010546525,0.0006586
    French_Nord,0.12827521,0.14054315,0.051357061,0.025605091,0.038272818,0.0088906061,0.0010966667,0.0044193939,0.0083730303,0.012016636,-0.003484,0.0040328182,-0.010861303,-0.0081823333,0.011199091,0.0025432121,-0.0046069394,0.0022266364,0.004094697,0.0010307879,0.0021326667,0.0015249394,-0.0015724242,0.007470697,0.000014545455
    French_Paris,0.12717136,0.14143555,0.050431273,0.023990091,0.040902727,0.0093048182,0.0027985455,0.0054543636,0.011602182,0.018173909,-0.0077060909,0.0068120909,-0.012906545,-0.010384364,0.013769545,0.0060630909,-0.0018255455,0.0046643636,0.0027081818,-0.00097781818,0.0022007273,0.0035747273,-0.0012325455,0.011140545,-0.0019050909
    French_Pas-de-Calais,0.12786133,0.140482,0.054305333,0.026809,0.042161667,0.012736333,0.0041516667,0.0013073333,0.0085216667,0.012452667,-0.0080113333,0.002198,-0.010009667,-0.012019,0.013662667,0.008132,-0.000478,0.001816,-0.003645,0.004252,0.0099826667,0.0014426667,-0.002547,0.0059043333,-0.001437
    French_Seine-Maritime,0.1360185,0.1370965,0.0452545,0.0295545,0.039084,0.0167335,0.00423,-0.000692,0.003988,0.006014,-0.003735,0.0074935,-0.0075815,-0.0016515,0.0142505,0.0035135,-0.0079535,-0.002344,0.0009425,-0.0050025,0.0039305,0.0055025,0.000863,0.0042775,-0.0044905
    German,0.13026259,0.13737923,0.057981114,0.038706848,0.040003494,0.015646139,0.0040665316,0.005786481,0.003526038,0.00188,-0.0044132911,0.0023732152,-0.0053705949,-0.0025417089,0.0085125063,0.0032912911,-0.0032727975,0.0016630506,0.0033668734,0.0017191266,0.0031399873,0.0020050253,0.000071810127,0.0083051772,0.00027741772
    German_Erlangen,0.1285691,0.13723285,0.056162791,0.038075433,0.038592642,0.015097493,0.0042230299,0.005441806,0.0040996418,-0.00011149254,-0.0031192985,0.0012100746,-0.0037031493,0.001891791,0.004430194,0.0018166567,-0.0018311493,0.0018001194,0.0031105672,0.00059725373,-0.00031471642,0.001360194,0.0018303582,0.0067028209,0.0000017164179
    German_Hamburg,0.12828529,0.13399012,0.063467176,0.048526,0.040061706,0.020375471,0.0075617647,0.0091082941,0.0029597059,-0.0035588824,-0.0038781765,0.000088176471,-0.0025097059,0.00075288235,0.0094365294,0.0032679412,-0.0045557647,0.0025561765,0.0039926471,0.00068423529,0.0017395294,0.0015565882,0.0027185294,0.0073503529,-0.0010354118
    Icelandic,0.13269867,0.13362667,0.067819,0.056309667,0.039366333,0.022961917,0.0033488333,0.0085188333,0.0026418333,0.000060666667,-0.0054805833,0.00517025,-0.0063675,-0.0090830833,0.0230725,0.0052924167,-0.011690917,0.0019109167,0.0017389167,0.0038873333,0.0092545,0.00280275,-0.00084216667,0.014017917,0.00082825
    Irish,0.13336052,0.13409771,0.061168941,0.0488642,0.037787988,0.019351706,0.0032928118,0.0047128706,0.0035683294,0.0029264588,-0.0069711882,0.0058395412,-0.014189188,-0.014076341,0.025935306,0.0052146235,-0.011145553,0.0018944353,0.00059741176,0.0017758,0.0051145412,0.0012787059,0.00029287059,0.014407353,0.00066074118
    Norwegian,0.1320917,0.1294546,0.068051375,0.054530475,0.040322775,0.019870925,0.004159525,0.006091925,0.00615105,-0.002286975,-0.004644425,0.004275025,-0.009235525,-0.0101497,0.02025285,0.006556575,-0.007200425,0.0033097,0.00297585,0.00410815,0.005680575,0.004089825,0.0008873,0.01410725,-0.00006885
    Orcadian,0.1306689,0.1342528,0.0629793,0.04845,0.0387149,0.0175423,0.001786,0.0039229,0.0050312,0.001786,-0.0068367,0.0048108,-0.0119078,-0.0108308,0.0223531,0.0030364,-0.0123864,0.0034712,0.0026774,0.0003001,0.0049539,0.0022504,-0.0021567,0.0100374,-0.0005988
    Scottish,0.13146568,0.13423125,0.062265357,0.047042643,0.039105964,0.017281214,0.0035502143,0.0051756071,0.0035718929,0.0028246429,-0.0056140357,0.0050473214,-0.011680607,-0.011973143,0.023023964,0.0031253571,-0.011254929,0.0027736429,0.0025499286,0.0014516071,0.0042246071,0.0033076429,-0.00065589286,0.013556071,-0.00076982143
    Shetlandic,0.13431133,0.133373,0.060842,0.047911667,0.040417667,0.019429333,0.00423,0.0046923333,0.003545,-0.0041306667,-0.0039513333,0.006744,-0.011545667,-0.012615333,0.021308,0.0026076667,-0.0087356667,0.001436,0.002975,-0.0024596667,0.0032026667,0.0026793333,0.0062853333,0.018797667,0.0026743333
    Swedish,0.1321925,0.12588546,0.072642386,0.058971485,0.040263287,0.020789812,0.0063799901,0.0092943465,0.0036490396,-0.0066633168,-0.0042028317,0.00053264356,-0.0030453168,-0.0033520198,0.014593317,0.0058654752,-0.0051056733,0.0016218713,0.0029906733,0.0050147723,0.0067726832,0.0025256436,0.0012532178,0.01159402,0.00021221782
    Welsh,0.1319779,0.13816285,0.0601319,0.0430236,0.04059215,0.0166218,0.0033135,0.00639205,0.0062789,0.0043372,-0.00423025,0.00591215,-0.0129112,-0.01097545,0.02059545,0.00570795,-0.00870315,0.00235635,0.003086,0.00200715,0.0049849,0.0038518,-0.00001235,0.0112243,0.00080825
    PCA with simulated English averages


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wing Genealogist View Post
    I am hoping FTDNA will analyze many of the BAM files from this important paper and incorporate the ancient DNA results in their new beta discovery site. Given the fact a huge proportion of their customer base have their Y-DNA ancestry from England, I believe this would likely be even more important than the Viking paper for many.
    I periodically check https://dna-explained.com/ site

    As she posted about FTDNA’s analysis of Patterson study samples
    https://dna-explained.com/2022/02/01...s-yours-match/
    Y dna continued: Z142>Z150>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    80% Brit/Ir-ish
    35% English/14% Welsh/15% Scot/11% Ulster Scot/5% Irish
    14% German/3% Scandi-Finn/2% French & Dutch/1% India

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Modern Englishmen do not seem to cluster so far from England_IA when compared to ancient and modern Scandinavian populations.
    G25 may not have as much resolution as we'd like to make this kind of detailed distinction within NWE populations, but the fact that these are "simulated" coordinates doesn't help either. I'd be more interested in seeing these in CvG than G25.
    YDNA E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y134104>Y168273>FT17866 (TMRCA ~1000AD) - Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1690 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal - Stonemason, miller.
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    [1] "distance%=1.7123"
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    While we wait for the new samples' C v G coordinates, this is what the C v G PCA currently looks like with the Saxon samples that are already in C v G, Iron Age Britons, and modern English, North Dutch, and Swedes.

    Screen Shot 2022-09-23 at 1.09.17 PM.png
    Paper Trail: 37.5% England and Colonial America, 37.5% Ireland, 12.5% Sweden, 11% Alsace (distant Switzerland), 1.5% Germany

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    G25 may not have as much resolution as we'd like to make this kind of detailed distinction within NWE populations, but the fact that these are "simulated" coordinates doesn't help either. I'd be more interested in seeing these in CvG than G25.
    Quote Originally Posted by lehmannt View Post
    While we wait for the new samples' C v G coordinates, this is what the C v G PCA currently looks like with the Saxon samples that are already in C v G, Iron Age Britons, and modern English, North Dutch, and Swedes.

    Screen Shot 2022-09-23 at 1.09.17 PM.png
    Based on the prelim AS samples in CvG with the averaged three-way model I made..

    CvG-1.png
    Papa-jang.png
    Last edited by W‚ldpykjong; 09-23-2022 at 05:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W‚ldpykjong View Post
    Based on the prelim AS samples in CvG with the averaged three-way model I made..

    CvG-1.png
    Papa-jang.png
    Could you please post the G25 data for the samples you used in this model?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by New_Englander View Post
    Interesting result for a R-Z372 positive sample from Hatherdene Close, Cambridgeshire. The supplementary materials color codes the grave site as being fully WBI. G25 aligns:

    Target: England_Cambridgeshire_Hatherdene_Close:HAD006
    Distance: 2.9422% / 0.02942214
    48.4 Irish
    18.6 Icelandic
    10.4 French_Paris
    8.4 Basque_Gipuzkoa
    5.8 English
    5.2 Basque_Baztan
    2.2 Danish
    0.6 Papuan
    0.4 Ju_hoan_North

    R-Z372 is a rather northern oriented subclade of the already northern R-Z18. Do you think he was a descendant of some of the first Germanic arrivals, and blended with the locals for a few generations?
    Do we have any sort of a consensus when the first Anglo-Saxons may have started coming to Britannia? Iím trying to figure out how many generations it would have taken for him to become so Celtic oriented. If I understand correctly, most of the Roman era Germanic mercenaries would have been Weser-Rhine Germanics, so given his subclade I find it quite unlikely that his forefathers would have come prior to the first Scandic/Anglo-Saxon/Suebics started making their way to Britain.

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    For anyone interested, here the French averaged regional samples on the PCA and the model:

    kak.png
    Schermafbeelding_2022-09-23_182431.png

    France obviously needs some kind of Southern European/Roman reference..

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