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    E-V13 Frequency Maps and Data

    Since I saw nice maps for other haplogroups, I wanted to produce a more updated map for E-V13. Maciamo or others surely can do better, but their current maps being outdated or lack data on the regional level which I consider to be important.
    If there is only E1b1b available, I did estimate E-V13 about 60-70 % (~ 65 %) for more Northern countries, based on the Austrian proportions, were subclades were available and if there are clear macro-regional trends, I fill from the spots available until more data comes in. Its just sketchy in some parts, any corrections or new data being welcomed. Please not that this is just to give a general impression. For a lot of regions not detailed subclades are known, so it has to rely on estimates for E-V13 or different studies yielded conflicting results.
    Another issue is that some subdivisions on this map are not ideal. Like I know that the Bavarian average is misleading, because Franconia, Munich and Swabia has by far more E-V13 than the typical Bavarian core of the rural countryside. East Tyrol has much less E-V13 than Northern Tyrol and so on.
    Its just to give a general impression with updated and more region specific data, as far as I could gather it. Countries without any differentation by region being the result of no available regional data at hands. This is especially true for France, Portugal, England, Belgium, Netherlands etc.

    Please no bashing, if you know better or have better data to share, just contribute!

    Also, if anybody has a better map down to the provincial level, just share. I just didn't find one to this point.



    In case I can't edit this posting any more, any newer update will be posted on the following pages.

    Data gathered from the following threads and studies:

    Austria:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....NA-haplogroups

    Switzerland:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post809082

    Czechia and Slovakia:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....al-Differences

    Slovenia:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post809097
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post809193

    Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Albania:
    https://www.poreklo.rs/2019/06/12/y-...-ethnic-serbs/

    North Italian local samples, Frisians and English:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post809215

    Local German and Polish samples:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...00000/download

    Poland:
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...20.567309/full

    Italy:
    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...attini-et-al-)

    Greek provinces, Western Anatolian Greeks, Provence:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Mediterranean

    Greeks:
    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...gion-of-origin

    Greeks and Turkish Cypriots:
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...e.0179474.s013

    Turkey:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....ture-of-Turkey
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post795055

    Albanians:
    https://rrenjet.com/statistikat/

    Romania and Moldova:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....lic-of-Moldova

    Russia:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....558#post811558

    Bulgaria:
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0056779

    Data on various Slavic populations, Russians, Belorussians, Ukrainians etc. (Table K in S1 File):
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0135820

    Sweden:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/5201651/tables/1

    France:
    https://www.semanticscholar.org/pape...2b5a7/figure/3

    Basic informations also from:
    https://www.nevgen.org/Europe_haplogroups_overview.html
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    Would be good if you could extend the map to turkey and armenia

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShpataEMadhe View Post
    Would be good if you could extend the map to turkey and armenia
    I would have, but I started with this site and the European map and can't add it easily afaik:
    https://mapchart.net/europe-detailed.html

    But you can check this paper on the region:
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...e.0179474.g003

    An interesting finding going through the data was the very high frequency of E1b1b in Haskovo, Bulgaria, with 31,7 %, which is probably the highest value for a Slavic speaking people (?):

    According to the archeologists, the area of Haskovo was originally settled about seven thousand years ago. In and around Haskovo, evidence has been preserved that confirms its long history during the prehistoric, Thracian, Greek, Roman, and Byzantine periods. In the 9th century – during the First Bulgarian Empire – a fortress was built in Haskovo that soon was transformed into a town. The town was located at the centre of a sizable region between the Klokotnitsa, Harmanliyska, and Maritsa rivers. In medieval times it was known for the nearby Uzundzhovo fair, famous in all of Bulgaria.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskovo

    The majority of the tested should be ethnic Bulgarian Slavs:
    Bulgarians: 180,541 (79.40%)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskovo_Province

    There is a very small minority of Albanians in the region left:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandritsa
    Last edited by Riverman; 10-29-2021 at 04:03 PM.

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    How many people were tested in Haskovo and do you have their results? Would be interesting to know if they fall under z5017 or z5018

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShpataEMadhe View Post
    How many people were tested in Haskovo and do you have their results? Would be interesting to know if they fall under z5017 or z5018
    No, no further details. Its a fairly small sample of 41 individuals, originally from Karachanak et al., 2013, I found it here:
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0135820

    And this is the source:
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0056779
    If somebody can get out more of it, I just used the compiled data.
    E-V13 was at 29,3 % in this small sample, even higher in Razgrad at 38,1 %. Good you asked, since I checked I can give now the exact percentages for E-V13, because they being mentioned in the original source paper. Will correct that in the next version.



    Does anyone have the exact numbers per French region from this study? Or another paper on French? Also per PM.

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    I certainly respect your effort but I have several comments.

    I'm not sure why you did Bulgaria with such grey areas? Provinces used in the Karachanak study correspond to these, so it should be possible to avoid those "blind spots":




    Also, it is not likely that the North Macedonia has lower frequency of E-V13 than Southern Serbia.
    And Baden-Wurttemberg should have higher frequency than Bavaria.
    I don't believe such a large part of Serbia is lower than 15%.
    Wallachia in Romania is surely more than 15%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    No, no further details. Its a fairly small sample of 41 individuals, originally from Karachanak et al., 2013, I found it here:
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0135820

    And this is the source:
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0056779
    If somebody can get out more of it, I just used the compiled data.
    E-V13 was at 29,3 % in this small sample, even higher in Razgrad at 38,1 %. Good you asked, since I checked I can give now the exact percentages for E-V13, because they being mentioned in the original source paper. Will correct that in the next version.



    Does anyone have the exact numbers per French region from this study? Or another paper on French? Also per PM.
    I see in the first link over 30% from 41 samples, but such small samples shouldnt be examined too much as data is skewed. For example second link haskovo had 5/23 v13 = 21-22% and only 2/23 i-m423 = 8-9% with plenty of r1b l23 and some u152

    It is nice to get the colour variations across different provinces but the samples are just too small for such large regions. Just my feedback anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bane View Post
    I certainly respect your effort but I have several comments.

    I'm not sure why you did Bulgaria with such grey areas? Provinces used in the Karachanak study correspond to these, so it should be possible to avoid those "blind spots":




    Also, it is not likely that the North Macedonia has lower frequency of E-V13 than Southern Serbia.
    And Baden-Wurttemberg should have higher frequency than Bavaria.
    I don't believe such a large part of Serbia is lower than 15%.
    Wallachia in Romania is surely more than 15%.
    For Serbia I used in part this:
    https://www.poreklo.rs/wp-content/up...stih-eng-1.png

    For Bulgaria the samples seem to concentrated on smaller areas to be used for such larger regions? Especially since the differences seem to be quite significant if comparing e.g. Sofia with Razgrad. But probably you are right.

    About Wallachia, which is the number you would use and based on what sources?

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    In Achaia E-V13 (at least) should probably be over 20%. There was a study by De Giacomo.. 18 years ago. It showed 9.52% E1b1b in Agrinio (it is in modern Aetolia-Akarnania) but 44.44% in Patras (in Achaia) south of it. (It is possible that better sampling would bring one up and the other down but who knows?)

    Also concerning Crete the samples from the old studies may not be representative. E.g. Heraklion which is the largest city in Crete had 26.19% E1b1b in this 2003 study. ''Lasithi plateau" on the other hand has a population of 2,387. They had found high R1b and some people were making crappy theories based on it.
    If someone makes an average of a city that has 180.000 population with a region that has 4.000 the result will not be representative.

    I think King (2008) was saying they had samples from all the 4 perfectures with an average below 9% but I don't know what their sampling strategy was. Either way, concerning Crete we should consider the possibility at least that at least some of the bigger cities have more E1b1b and/or E-V13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    About Wallachia, which is the number you would use and based on what sources?

    18% of E-V13 from this study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20621540/

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