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    Paternal ancestry of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

    Ataturk's father Ali Riza is thought to have been of Albanian origin by some authors and traced to his grandfather Ahmet efendi from Kocacık (Kojajik).

    Are there genealogical DNA investigations of his ancestry? Did he had Albanian, Slavic or Yörük roots?

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    There isn’t much to support the Albanian origin theory; most of the claims are based on the ‘Turks don’t exist so he must be x’ rhetoric. And his living relatives refute it too:

    https://www.haberler.com/ataturk-un-...524588-haberi/

    But it’s safe to say that the bulk of his ancestry is native Balkan in origin - he is a Balkan Turk after all. Just nothing recent the family is/was aware of.
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    The place where Ataturk's father comes from in North Macedonia is inhabited by real Turks, not Torbeshi or other Islamized Balkan populations.
    By real Turks I mean Yoruks, who are known to have came from Turkey.
    Also, blondism and blue eyes aren'tt strange for the Yoruks. I have seen plenty of them because they live close to where I come from. But you can tell by the facial features that they are different than the locals. Exactly those features I see in Ataturk.
    I'm pretty sure he was mostly Youruk in origin.

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    Dear friends, you know ethnic identification is ephemeral and changed through the generation. Atatürk was Turk and it is enough.

    But maybe his paternal (Y-DNA related only) relatives were tested ? Is there his genealogical tree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    Dear friends, you know ethnic identification is ephemeral and changed through the generation. Atatürk was Turk and it is enough.

    But maybe his paternal (Y-DNA related only) relatives were tested ? Is there his genealogical tree?
    The rumors mentioned in your OP are about his (father’s) ethnicity, not his ancestors a few hundreds of years ago. You can’t just randomly label someone and then use the ‘identifications change’ argument. Why even mention it in the first place if you weren’t interested in our answers? You could have asked about his Y-DNA only. We only answered the OP.

    But to answer your question: not that we know of. .
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    Atatürk does not seem to have had biological brothers or children?
    The Wikipedia article mentions an uncle on his mother's side, but doesn't mention any on his father's side?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person...l_Atat%C3%BCrk
    He did have a biological sister, but if she had children, they are not mentioned in Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makbule_Atadan
    The Turkish article for his father (which I read with Google translate) mentions his grandfather and a great-uncle?
    https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_R%C4%B1za_Efendi
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    I have heard Ali Sami Yen, founder of Galatasaray football club, was Albanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Sami_Yen . Not sure about Ataturk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie View Post
    I have heard Ali Sami Yen, founder of Galatasaray football club, was Albanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Sami_Yen . Not sure about Ataturk.
    Indeed, as the article states, he was the son of Albanian writer and nationalist Sami Frashëri. The Frashëri (Gramshi family) have been confirmed E-Y161799.
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241>BY32817 (Y179831)

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS1273 (BY6357?)

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    The Frashëri (Gramshi family) have been confirmed*E-Y161799.
    Was Antonio Gramsci paternally related to Frashёri clan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    Was Antonio Gramsci paternally related to Frashёri clan?
    While both families originally bore toponymic surnames derived from Gramsh, they are not related.

    Antonio Gramsci claimed that his great grandfather was an Albanian from near the border with Greece and that he had fled to Italy in 1821 following the beginning of the Greek War of Independence. However there are documents which prove that the Gramsci were in Italy prior to 1821 and that they belonged to the Arbëreshë community of Plataci (Pllatëni) which was founded and settled by Albanians in 1476. For example, a certain Gennaro Gramsci is attested in a document from Plataci dated back to 1792. Gennaro was Antonio's great great grandfather.

    The Gramshi family of Frashër who are now one of the many known as Frashëri are the descendants of Ajaz Bey, the bey of Gramshi. However in ca. 1650-60 Ajaz Bey was given Frashër to hold. The family's roots go further back to Ajaz Bey's grandfather Hamza Bey who originally held lands in Tomorrica.
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241>BY32817 (Y179831)

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS1273 (BY6357?)

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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