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    For those interested:

    In a separate thread, I was wondering aloud about the relation between predynastic/dynastic Egyptian remains and modern Egyptians, the latter being strangely absent as a reference group in the literature of craniometric analyses of the ancients.

    A poster provided evidence suggesting that, over the dynastic period, Egyptian samples trended towards a more 'Northern' phenotype over a 'Southern' one that characterized some of the influential predynastic cultures such as the Badarian and Naqada horizons. This was said to be a result of northern influx into Upper Egypt throughout the course of the dynastic period.

    I did a literature dive and managed to track down some of the source publications and discovered some interesting results relating to my original question. In the 1972 paper, "On the Craniological Study of Egyptians in various periods" by M.F Gaballah et al, with reference to the works of both Batrawi 1946 and Sidney Smith 1926, it is said that the available series of modern Egyptian skulls conform more closely with the Southern phenotype that characterized the predynastic and early dynastic cultures of Upper Egypt such as the Naqada.

    A number of caveats apply, such as the small sample sizes and antiquated methods of analysis such as Batrawi's use of the Coefficient of Racial Likeness, aside from general scepticism that one should apply to craniometrics.

    However, I think it's remarkable that A.) this is, as far as I know, a finding that is rarely mentioned in craniometric discussions and B.) seems to conform with the (tentative) finding that modern Egyptians seem to harbour a tad more African ancestry than their Dynastic ancestors - the caveat here is that this does not ipso facto require the modern Egyptian phenotype to be more shifted toward tropical Africans.

    Interesting nonetheless that an analysis of Modern Egyptians finds them to more closely resemble Predynastic "Southern" variation rather than the more Northern-shifted Dynastic series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar II View Post
    For those interested:

    In a separate thread, I was wondering aloud about the relation between predynastic/dynastic Egyptian remains and modern Egyptians, the latter being strangely absent as a reference group in the literature of craniometric analyses of the ancients.

    A poster provided evidence suggesting that, over the dynastic period, Egyptian samples trended towards a more 'Northern' phenotype over a 'Southern' one that characterized some of the influential predynastic cultures such as the Badarian and Naqada horizons. This was said to be a result of northern influx into Upper Egypt throughout the course of the dynastic period.

    I did a literature dive and managed to track down some of the source publications and discovered some interesting results relating to my original question. In the 1972 paper, "On the Craniological Study of Egyptians in various periods" by M.F Gaballah et al, with reference to the works of both Batrawi 1946 and Sidney Smith 1926, it is said that the available series of modern Egyptian skulls conform more closely with the Southern phenotype that characterized the predynastic and early dynastic cultures of Upper Egypt such as the Naqada.

    A number of caveats apply, such as the small sample sizes and antiquated methods of analysis such as Batrawi's use of the Coefficient of Racial Likeness, aside from general scepticism that one should apply to craniometrics.

    However, I think it's remarkable that A.) this is, as far as I know, a finding that is rarely mentioned in craniometric discussions and B.) seems to conform with the (tentative) finding that modern Egyptians seem to harbour a tad more African ancestry than their Dynastic ancestors - the caveat here is that this does not ipso facto require the modern Egyptian phenotype to be more shifted toward tropical Africans.

    Interesting nonetheless that an analysis of Modern Egyptians finds them to more closely resemble Predynastic "Southern" variation rather than the more Northern-shifted Dynastic series.

    Thanks man it's been quite some time I was trying to find how modern egyptians relate to the ancient ones when it comes to craniometry. I was quite certain modern upper egyptians would already be very similar to the badarian/nagadan samples and that like the latter would have shown affinities with other north-east african populations.

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    Wadi Halfa Mesolithic:

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    Wadi Halfa Mesolithic:

     
    What a interesting head shape, facially he almost looks like Dwayne Johnson, just darker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    Wadi Halfa Mesolithic:

     
    Is that reconstruction based on the incredible distinctive looking Mesolithic Sudanese skull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nee4speed111 View Post
    What a interesting head shape, facially he almost looks like Dwayne Johnson, just darker.
    The original cone head lol!

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    Hi where was this Mesolithic Sudanese Skull found? Do you have any links to the research paper? Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabz View Post
    Hi where was this Mesolithic Sudanese Skull found? Do you have any links to the research paper? Thanks in advance.
    One of the questions to ask is whether his skull had regular sutures or not, because while ancients could be very dolichocranic, he looks more extreme. This could be normal variation, but it could also be pathological, which would be better visible in the profile. Like there are various forms of craniosynostosis:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniosynostosis

    Its not that extreme to be sure, especially not for ancients which could still differ in skull shape, but its something which should be considered and checked. There is also variation in this respect which isn't considered pathological per se, but still at the fringes and extraordinary. One another example would be some pharaonic dynasties.

    Yet another possibility would be artificial head deformation:
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...enaten-and-tut

    This just means there are various options from normal ancient variation, to a fringe variant of normal variation or pathological forms and finally to artificial deformation as a cultural practise.
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