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    Kelly! Same as my maternal Great Granny! The Enfield was supposedly witnessed guarding the body of a dead O'Kelly chief. O'Connors opted for the oak as it had Druidic pre Christian connotations.

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    Per the simple/easy to recognize vs elaborate

    I donít know if it can get more elaborate than this


    Imagine having to write out the description for these arms.
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    That is Lloyd, many quarterings are repeated, but I get the point, hard to make any smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Per the simple/easy to recognize vs elaborate

    I don’t know if it can get more elaborate than this

    Imagine having to write out the description for these arms.

    Something is amiss on that quartering. The one above is 29 across by 25 down which is possible if all the divisions weren’t the same size.
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    Well that requires a precise stone cutter.

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    I have taken to heart the comments on "simple" vs "elaborate" designs as I toy with the idea of a updated design based on more accurate historical data (thanks to dna testing)

    Here is an image of my thought progression from simplest design possible (little meaning) to more elaborate designs.



    Far left, is the simplest I could go, taking the Dr Johnson design from the base my father's coat of arms .
    2nd from left shows the Mitchell line is via a matrilineal source (Lozenge shape).
    3rd from left shows same idea but with a Chevron above
    Top part of design 2 or 3 would be used to cover my paternal line, but what to put in that space.

    One idea is to use the County, Wicklow arms as a source for ideas. County Wicklow, Ireland is where my paternal line earliest ancestor was born in 1812.

    The Wicklow arms is kind of similar to the U152 design (green on top, blue on bottom with a zig zag boundary.

    One idea I toyed with was to use a combination of Wicklow and U152 to represent my paternal line (4th from left), and possibly incorporate some aspect of an Atkins arms (5th from left)

    But I felt I was getting too elaborate, so I dialed it back (6 from left)

    But that seemed too boring, with little personal meaning to me so I added the star. first from right.

    The "Sierra Hotel" version above has less meaning/connection; but looks very visually appealing to me.
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    BTW as you get up in royalty, apparently females can use regular shields rather than lozenges.
    I was looking up the person for whom Great Keppel Island was named and up popped the Duchess of Cornwall, a Keppel descendant, with her arms, on a regular shield.
    Of course the monarch, if female, has a shield.
    So I guess that's about having arms of your own rather than derived from a male.

    MitchellSince1893 I still like what you are doing with the design.
    In that, the lozenge really anchors the elements.

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    The beaker in your earlier design and so much DNA and archaeological research lately reminds me of an earlier fascination I had for them.
    I must search out some designs, scale them to hold current ale measure and commission some from a local potter.

    But will I add a shield?
    Hmm, something to consider over our long steamy summer.
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    Lions vs Eagles in European Coats of Arms



    France appears to have more Lions than Eagles


    And Italy would be on the Eagle's side thanks to the Roman Empire use of the Eagle (which is probably why the eagle is so prevalent in the old "Holy Roman Empire" i.e. Germany & Austria, and part of Czechia, and Poland.

    In Ireland more counties arms have Lions than Eagles, Switzerland is more fond of Bears, and Portugal likes Dragons.
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    The eagle in eastern Europe is from the Byzantine empire.

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