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    Is E-M81 Natufian?

    We all know so far ALL of the paleo- Berber iberomaurusian samples are E-M78. Can modern North African E-M81 be directly linked to the Natufian E-Z827(direct ancestor of E-M81) samples found or is there a chance that E-M81 developed from some yet to be found E-Z827 ancestor present in NA? Opinions?

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    “The pattern of distribution and variance to be consistent with the hypothesis of a post Paleolithic "demic diffusion" from the East.[13] The ancestral lineage of E-M81 in their hypothesis could have been linked with the spread of Neolithic food-producing technologies from the Fertile Crescent via the Nile, although pastoralism rather than agriculture. E-M81 and possibly proto-Afroasiatic language may have been carried either all the way from Asia, or they may represent a "local contribution to the North African Neolithic transition".“

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scythoslav View Post
    We all know so far ALL of the paleo- Berber iberomaurusian samples are E-M78. Can modern North African E-M81 be directly linked to the Natufian E-Z827(direct ancestor of E-M81) samples found or is there a chance that E-M81 developed from some yet to be found E-Z827 ancestor present in NA? Opinions?
    No Y DNA E-L19 is north african

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scythoslav View Post
    We all know so far ALL of the paleo- Berber iberomaurusian samples are E-M78. Can modern North African E-M81 be directly linked to the Natufian E-Z827(direct ancestor of E-M81) samples found or is there a chance that E-M81 developed from some yet to be found E-Z827 ancestor present in NA? Opinions?
    not found any remains in levant it s E-Z827
    most samples are E-Z830+E-M78 and other haplgroup like H-P96 and T-M70

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    Quote Originally Posted by capsian View Post
    not found any remains in levant it s E-Z827
    most samples are E-Z830+E-M78 and other haplgroup like H-P96 and T-M70
    There is literally one sample of supposedly E-M78 ever found in the Levant, it’s super low quality(we don’t know for sure if it is E-M78) and it was found later among PPNB not one Natufian sample is E-M78.

    I’m just wondering why there is a complete absence of parent of E-M81 in paleo-Berber samples if it’s it’s supposed to be native Maghrebi. Maybe it came with the capsians from the east or even later?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    What’s paleo-Berber?
    Paleolithic and Mesolithic maghrebi people. Iberomaurusians is the best example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scythoslav View Post
    There is literally one sample of supposedly E-M78 ever found in the Levant, it’s super low quality(we don’t know for sure if it is E-M78) and it was found later among PPNB not one Natufian sample is E-M78.

    I’m just wondering why there is a complete absence of parent of E-M81 in paleo-Berber samples if it’s it’s supposed to be native Maghrebi. Maybe it came with the capsians from the east or even later?
    there are remains from cave Ifri N'Amr Ou Moussa it s E-L19* and one remains E-M81

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scythoslav View Post
    Paleolithic and Mesolithic maghrebi people. Iberomaurusians is the best example.
    Those aren’t Berbers though.That’s like calling Mota paleo-Omotic even though he didn’t speak an Omotic language or anything ancestral to one

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    Quote Originally Posted by capsian View Post
    there are remains from cave Ifri N'Amr Ou Moussa it s E-L19* and one remains E-M81
    Right but that sample is from much later. It’s from when Neolithic migrations were in full force already. Where were the ancestors of E-L19 during iberomaurusian times?

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