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Thread: Post your Celtic vs Germanic (with Paterson study samples) distances

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    Post your Celtic vs Germanic (with Paterson study samples) distances

    Just found out that there are now Eurogenes Celtic vs Germanic coordinates for the new Peterson samples. link

    Other related links
    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/...urope.html?m=1
    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/...revisited.html

    My Celtic vs Germanics coordinates (different from Global25 coordinates), against the Celtic vs Germanic database link

    Distance to: Mitchell
    0.01983835 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK40
    0.02222139 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA:VK468
    0.02254817 Ancient:VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA:VK225
    0.02264133 Ancient:VK2020_England_Oxford_VA:VK172
    0.02274159 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK402
    0.02286045 Ancient:VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK203
    0.02308289 England_MIA:I14858
    0.02318901 Ancient:VK2020_IRL_Dublin_VA:VK545
    0.02328605 CZE_IA_La_Tene:I15045
    0.02329721 Ancient:VK2020_England_Dorset_VA:VK264
    0.02333452 England_C_EBA:I16424
    0.02354464 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I14104
    0.02373268 England_LBA_lowEEF:I13711
    0.02373689 SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I12106
    0.02394640 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK335
    0.02395078 FRA_GrandEst_IA2:I20817
    0.02398833 England_IA:I16450
    0.02406470 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA:VK320
    0.02408921 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA:VK364
    0.02411742 England_EastYorkshire_MIA:I5507
    0.02423448 Celtic:Welsh:Welsh4
    0.02425180 Celtic:Welsh:WalesBK68
    0.02431728 Scotland_MIA_LIA:I16499
    0.02441291 England_MIA_LIA:I20622
    0.02446753 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I12415

    Distance results were quite different from my top 25 G25 results. I'm decidedly more Viking in this one.
    Ones in bold are the only ones that are in the top 25 of both lists (this one and the G25)

    I will use my G25 results for the aDNA Match profile data (ones below your avatar picture), as more people have G25 coordinates, and many people don't have Celtic vs Germanic ancestry

    PS: You'll have to ask some one else to explain how they differ as I'm unfamiliar with the processes involved, but here is a quote from Eurogenes
    I've designed a new Principal Component Analysis (PCA) that does a better job of separating the Celtic- and Germanic-speaking populations of Europe than my previous efforts of this sort...It's also possible to re-process PCA data via the SOURCE tab. But I don't recommend doing this with the Celtic vs Germanic data, which are derived from a fine scale analysis and don't pack much variation. On the other hand, Global25 data are ideal for such re-processing.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 01-06-2022 at 05:14 PM.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    35% English, 15% Scottish, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 11% Ulster Scot, 5% Ireland, 3% Scandinavian, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    Distance to: Jessie
    0.01523319 England_IA:I16450
    0.01732628 Ancient:VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK202
    0.01978813 Ancient:VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK203
    0.02039608 Ancient:England_Roman:6DT22
    0.02069879 England_MIA_lowEEF:I12779
    0.02073716 England_MIA:I19909
    0.02084826 England_LBA_lowEEF:I13711
    0.02133003 England_MIA_LIA:I11152
    0.02151418 England_EastYorkshire_LIA:I22062
    0.02179679 England_EastYorkshire_LIA:I5502
    0.02191392 England_EastYorkshire_MIA:I5507
    0.02198522 Scotland_LIA:I3567
    0.02199273 England_MIA:I14380
    0.02226747 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I12414
    0.02250000 Scotland_LIA:I27385
    0.02267377 England_C_EBA_highEEF:I12776
    0.02270903 England_MIA:I20586
    0.02284075 Ancient:VK2020_NOR_South_VA:VK420
    0.02286504 England_MIA:I20627
    0.02286526 England_MIA:I12778
    0.02296476 England_MIA:I13731
    0.02306751 England_MIA:I14551
    0.02334545 England_EIA:I13684
    0.02352871 Ancient:VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK201
    0.02360042 England_IA:I16441

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    Here is my new Celtic vs. Germanic list without the modern samples. I asked Davidski about the difference in distances between G25 and Celtic vs. Germanic and he said it is a result of the different PCAs focusing on different components.

    Distance to: TL
    0.02023833 England_Roman:6DT22
    0.02068236 VK2020_England_Dorset_VA:VK257
    0.02088923 England_IA:I16450
    0.02142242 VK2020_ISL_Hringsdalur_VA:VK127
    0.02209728 VK2020_DNK_Jutland_VA:VK327
    0.02248511 England_IA:I0160
    0.02279583 England_MIA:I13728
    0.02296236 England_MIA:I20586
    0.02330815 VK2020_England_Dorset_VA:VK262
    0.02336536 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I5508
    0.02369599 England_MIA:I14858
    0.02373984 England_MIA_LIA:I11143
    0.02388598 VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA:VK110
    0.02395851 VK2020_GreenlandE_VA:VK186
    0.02397061 England_EastYorkshire_MIA:I5507
    0.02410747 England_MIA:I14380
    0.02427179 VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK238
    0.02442212 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK203
    0.02444647 VK2020_NOR_North_VA:VK530
    0.02456664 England_MIA:I21277
    0.02463818 England_C_EBA:I20997
    0.02473338 England_MBA:I2448
    0.02510259 VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK236
    0.02521507 VK2020_GreenlandE_VA:VK187
    0.02523331 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I13759
    Ancestry (2021): Ireland (44%), England & NW Europe (34%), Sweden & Denmark (11%), Scotland (11%)

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    Maybe some of you would be lucky to find themselves on the PCA:

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    Maybe some of you would be lucky to find themselves on the PCA:
    I did thanks!
    Can you tell me the meaning of the colors of the shading overlaps I'm in? I'm Guessing Viking=Green, but not sure about the pink & tan.


    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 01-06-2022 at 05:41 PM.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
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    England_MIA:I17016 0.0222
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    Maybe some of you would be lucky to find themselves on the PCA:

    Surprisingly enough, I did find myself!

    Thanks!
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 540 AD) >FT81015 (circa 1120 AD) >A13243 (circa 1620 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1700 AD).

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    aDNA Match (2nd)
    England_MIA_LIA:I20988 0.0202
    aDNA Match (3rd)
    England_MIA:I17016 0.0222
    Y-DNA (P)
    I-FT80854
    mtDNA (M)
    H1e2
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    K1

    England Scotland Ireland Germany Bayern Italy Two Sicilies France
    A little more mixed this time around:


    Distance to: JMcB
    0.02087151 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I12415
    0.02189658 England_MIA_LIA:I21314
    0.02258783 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK333

    0.02285957 CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13792
    0.02341068 England_EIA:I13684
    0.02344120 England_LBA:I14862
    0.02391401 Ancient:VK2020_England_Dorset_VA:VK264
    0.02401354 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK42
    0.02418719 England_MIA:I14858
    0.02422602 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK355
    0.02465968 England_MIA:I20627
    0.02472468 England_MIA:I11150
    0.02514160 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK405
    0.02515512 Ancient:VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK238
    0.02524480 Ancient:VK2020_ISL_Hringsdalur_VA:VK127
    0.02534522 Scotland_EIA:I2692
    0.02567314 England_MIA:I19873
    0.02606722 CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I14983
    0.02628460 England_LIA:I11145
    0.02632869 England_IA:I16457
    0.02654091 England_MIA:I19909
    0.02657461 England_IA:I16441
    0.02666665 CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13796
    0.02668520 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Sealand_VA:VK369
    0.02675836 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Funen_VA:VK138



    Target: JMcB
    Distance: 1.6463% / 0.01646272 | ADC: 2x

    56.4 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I12415
    27.0 England_MIA_LIA:I21314
    15.4 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK333

    1.2 England_LBA:I14862
    Last edited by JMcB; 01-06-2022 at 05:39 PM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 540 AD) >FT81015 (circa 1120 AD) >A13243 (circa 1620 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1700 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    A little more mixed this time around:


    Distance to: JMcB
    0.02087151 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I12415
    0.02189658 England_MIA_LIA:I21314
    0.02258783 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK333

    0.02285957 CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13792
    0.02341068 England_EIA:I13684
    0.02344120 England_LBA:I14862
    0.02391401 Ancient:VK2020_England_Dorset_VA:VK264
    0.02401354 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK42
    0.02418719 England_MIA:I14858
    0.02422602 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK355
    0.02465968 England_MIA:I20627
    0.02472468 England_MIA:I11150
    0.02514160 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK405
    0.02515512 Ancient:VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK238
    0.02524480 Ancient:VK2020_ISL_Hringsdalur_VA:VK127
    0.02534522 Scotland_EIA:I2692
    0.02567314 England_MIA:I19873
    0.02606722 CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I14983
    0.02628460 England_LIA:I11145
    0.02632869 England_IA:I16457
    0.02654091 England_MIA:I19909
    0.02657461 England_IA:I16441
    0.02666665 CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13796
    0.02668520 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Sealand_VA:VK369
    0.02675836 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Funen_VA:VK138


    Target: JMcB
    Distance: 1.6463% / 0.01646272 | ADC: 2x

    56.4 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I12415
    27.0 England_MIA_LIA:I21314
    15.4 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK333

    1.2 England_LBA:I14862
    Interesting: You got the one DF19 Viking with filed teeth (VK333)
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Interesting: You got the one DF19 Viking with filed teeth (VK333)
    Fortunately, filing your teeth wasn’t in fashion in my day!
    Last edited by JMcB; 01-06-2022 at 05:49 PM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 540 AD) >FT81015 (circa 1120 AD) >A13243 (circa 1620 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1700 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    I did thanks!
    Can you tell me the meaning of the colors of the shading overlaps I'm in? I'm Guessing Viking=Green, but not sure about the pink & tan.

    Orange - should be Germanic
    Green - Viking
    pink - modern
    red - should be Celtic
    blue - Slovenia & Croatia
    turquoise - Iberian
     
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    Every fourth map is free. Admix decomposition is $7 or €6.

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