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  1. #11
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    R-L21 L1065+
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    K1a1b1e

    Scotland Ireland
    Distance to: Caledonian
    0.02188013 Ancient:VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK201
    0.02197908 England_IA_EarlyMedieval:I14550
    0.02250133 Romance:French_Brittany:B_78
    0.02338653 England_IA:I16450
    0.02352382 Ancient:VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK203
    0.02360233 England_MIA:I19854
    0.02363155 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK405
    0.02369958 Celtic:Welsh:Welsh3
    0.02398687 Germanic:Scottish:Scottish1
    0.02402686 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I5508
    0.02409481 England_EastYorkshire_MIA:I5507
    0.02416050 England_MIA:I19909
    0.02416299 Germanic:Icelandic:Icelandic4
    0.02422210 Germanic:Norwegian:Norwegian9
    0.02439303 Germanic:Scottish:Scottish17
    0.02446589 Ancient:VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK46
    0.02455972 Scotland_MIA_LIA:I16499
    0.02473843 England_EIA:I13684
    0.02485940 England_MIA:I17261
    0.02510279 England_LBA:I14377
    0.02514896 Ancient:VK2020_GreenlandE_VA:VK190
    0.02519147 Ancient:VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK237
    0.02528933 Ancient:VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK238
    0.02533160 Ancient:Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035
    0.02545584 Germanic:Scottish:Scottish9

    It bugs me slightly that Scots are listed as Germanic on this, it totally skews my results, I am pretty sure that Scots like the Irish derive most of their ancestry from the early Bronze age inhabitants of the Isles so it doesn't make sense to list us as Germanic, the English aren't even predominantly Germanic nevermind the Scots.

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  3. #12
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    aDNA Match (1st)
    VIK101 (Hofstađir Farm, northern Iceland, VA)
    aDNA Match (2nd)
    I14550 (Slonk Hill, Sussex - Late Roman / Early Medieval)
    aDNA Match (3rd)
    I3014 (Carsington Pasture Cave, Derbyshire - Late Iron Age)
    Y-DNA (P)
    I1-L22
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a1b4
    mtDNA (P)
    J1c8

    United Kingdom England Wales Scotland Ireland France
    Distance:

    Chilling in the channel

    0.02209140 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK333
    0.02245084 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I5505
    0.02281315 CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13792
    0.02290240 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I12415
    0.02306404 England_MIA:I11150
    0.02343075 Romance:French_Nord:N_2
    0.02351319 Celtic:Welsh:WalesBK68
    0.02434461 England_MIA:I17016
    0.02443338 England_MIA:I19044
    0.02444954 HUN_EIA_o3:I25525
    0.02451877 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I14105
    0.02468603 England_LIA:I11145
    0.02498960 England_MIA_LIA:I21314
    0.02513464 England_MIA:I17015
    0.02544995 Ancient:VK2020_England_Dorset_VA:VK264
    0.02554016 CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I14983
    0.02571381 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK353
    0.02575946 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK403
    0.02584956 England_MIA:I14858
    0.02608620 Romance:French_Nord:N_64
    0.02617785 England_MIA_LIA:I13726
    0.02644901 Germanic:English:English5
    0.02690019 England_MIA:I14866
    0.02692192 England_MIA_LIA:I11994
    0.02699018 Romance:French_Brittany:B_3

    Distance: 0.4954% / 0.00495355
    33.6 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA
    17.4 Ancient Im not sure what this is? I couldn't find a sample called 'Ancient', it looks more like a category.
    15.8 HUN_IA_La_Tene_o
    9.6 FRA_SouthEast_IA2
    5.2 Germanic
    5.2 Scotland_LIA
    3.8 NLD_MBA
    3.0 Celtic
    2.2 CZE_IA_La_Tene
    2.0 Wales_MBA
    1.2 ESP_LIA
    1.0 England_EIA

    Only ancient DNA:

    0.02209140 VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK333
    0.02245084 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I5505
    0.02281315 CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13792
    0.02290240 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I12415
    0.02306404 England_MIA:I11150
    0.02434461 England_MIA:I17016
    0.02443338 England_MIA:I19044
    0.02444954 HUN_EIA_o3:I25525
    0.02451877 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I14105
    0.02468603 England_LIA:I11145
    0.02498960 England_MIA_LIA:I21314
    0.02513464 England_MIA:I17015
    0.02544995 VK2020_England_Dorset_VA:VK264
    0.02554016 CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I14983
    0.02571381 VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK353
    0.02575946 VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK403
    0.02584956 England_MIA:I14858
    0.02617785 England_MIA_LIA:I13726
    0.02690019 England_MIA:I14866
    0.02692192 England_MIA_LIA:I11994
    0.02714719 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I5503
    0.02724188 England_IA:I16439
    0.02724225 VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK405
    0.02743574 Scotland_EIA:I2692
    0.02750109 England_C_EBA_highEEF:I12776

    Altered the names on the 'Ancient' Samples so it breaks them down using the 'single' tool on Vahaduo.

    Distance: 0.5123% / 0.00512295
    35.6 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA
    15.2 HUN_IA_La_Tene_o
    9.2 FRA_SouthEast_IA2
    8.4 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA
    5.2 NLD_MBA
    5.0 VK2020_POL_Bodzia_VA
    4.8 VK2020_RUS_Ladoga_VA
    4.6 Scotland_LIA
    4.4 VK2020_DNK_Jutland_IA
    4.2 CZE_IA_La_Tene
    1.6 ESP_LIA
    1.0 England_EBA_highEEF
    0.8 England_EIA
    Last edited by Anglecynn; 01-06-2022 at 09:53 PM. Reason: Additional data
    Paper Ancestry: 90% English (primarily southeast/east and northwest), 6% Welsh (Pembrokeshire), 3% Scottish (Unknown - possibly one of the islands) and a dash (0.2%) of French Huguenot (exact location not known).
    Y-DNA: Earliest known ancestor b.1861 in Ware, Hertfordshire. Father unknown.
    MT-DNA: Earliest verified ancestor b.1750 in Boughton Aluph, Kent. Possibly descended from Elizabeth Hawes b.1622 City of London (Wife of Sir George Courthope MP), unverified.

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    MIA England: I19909 (0.0212)
    aDNA Match (2nd)
    IA England: I0160 (0.0218)
    aDNA Match (3rd)
    MIA England: I20627 (0.0227)
    Y-DNA (P)
    G2a-L497>CTS4803

    Ph2ter, would you be willing to add my C vs. G coordinates to the PCA? If you charge for it I would be happy to send a donation.

    TL,-0.0206,0.0079,-0.0059,-0.0059,-0.0045,-0.003,0.0025,-0.0002,-0.0002,-0.0004,0.0002,0.0053,0.0009,0.0024,-0.0035,0.0039,-0.0067,-0.0036,-0.0028,-0.0009,0.0067,0.003,-0.0017,-0.0056,0.0007
    Ancestry (2021): Ireland (44%), England & NW Europe (34%), Sweden & Denmark (11%), Scotland (11%)

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    Viking Denmark: VK274
    aDNA Match (2nd)
    Avar time Slav: Av1
    aDNA Match (3rd)
    La Tene Celt: I20752
    Y-DNA (P)
    I2a1a2b-A815
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    HV0-T195C!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lehmannt View Post
    Ph2ter, would you be willing to add my C vs. G coordinates to the PCA? If you charge for it I would be happy to send a donation.

    TL,-0.0206,0.0079,-0.0059,-0.0059,-0.0045,-0.003,0.0025,-0.0002,-0.0002,-0.0004,0.0002,0.0053,0.0009,0.0024,-0.0035,0.0039,-0.0067,-0.0036,-0.0028,-0.0009,0.0067,0.003,-0.0017,-0.0056,0.0007
    You are close to firemonkey (in the upper part of the pink-red area)

    Last edited by ph2ter; 01-06-2022 at 06:09 PM.
     
    Some simple calculations, maps and plots I make for free, but for more complicated maps, plots and calculations I ask for a donation of $2 or €1.7 per map/plot via Hidden Content PayPalHidden Content account.
    Every fourth map is free. Admix decomposition is $7 or €6.

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  9. #15
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    E-Y31991>FT17866
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    H20 (xH20a)

    Asturias Galicia Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ PortugalRoyalFlag1830
    Distance to: Ruderico
    0.02795943 ESP_MBA:I2470
    0.02894944 ESP_EIA_Tartessian:I12171
    0.03221009 FRA_SouthEast_IA2:I19918
    0.03313955 HRV_EIA:I23995
    0.03395718 ESP_LBA:I20740
    0.03442557 FRA_SouthEast_IA2:I19917
    0.03485757 SVN_EIA:I5692
    0.03554532 HRV_EIA:I23911
    0.03569384 SVN_LBA_EIA:I23974
    0.03610568 SVN_EIA:I5691
    0.03614651 SVN_EIA:I22938
    0.03665924 CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13787
    0.03676874 SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I12099
    0.03761130 AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699
    0.03772917 HUN_LBA_EIA:I11683
    0.03793824 HUN_IA_La_Tene:I25508
    0.03799250 HRV_MBA:I24342
    0.03799921 CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13788
    0.03863612 HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18530
    0.03868165 SVN_MIA_oSouth:I5696
    0.03879356 AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11701
    0.03888277 HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18526
    0.03899654 CZE_IA_La_Tene:I15954
    0.03917397 England_MBA_highEEF:I13716
    0.03918814 FRA_SouthEast_IA2:I13623


    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    Maybe some of you would be lucky to find themselves on the PCA:
    I don't even need luck, I'm always in the corner so I immediately knew were I'd be - just chillin' with my homie I2470







    Edit: Even in G25 the renewed coordinates of I2470 seem to work surpsiringly well for me, considering it's an Iberian MBA sample. Apparently he's from Cogotas I culture
    YDNA E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y134104>Y168273>FT17866 (TMRCA ~1000AD) - Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1690 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal - Stonemason, miller.
    mtDNA H20 - Monica Vieira, b. circa 1700 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Hidden Content
    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content

    [1] "distance%=1.6404"
    Ruderico

    Gallic_North_IA,48
    West_Iberia_IA,31
    Berber_EMA,11
    Roman_Colonial,10

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  11. #16
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    H5a

    United States of America Portugal Portugal 1485
    Did I do this wrong? Feel like it's a bit off. I'd think I'd plot closest to the Tartessian sample?

    Distance to: Luso
    0.03377928 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK357
    0.03451970 Romance:French_Alsace:A_42
    0.03500386 Germanicutch_Southutch_South18
    0.03579888 England_MIA:I19855
    0.03601680 England_LIA:I12785
    0.03616462 CZE_IA_La_Tene:I17321
    0.03621188 HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18531
    0.03630716 England_MIA:I20587
    0.03633868 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA:VK317
    0.03640989 Germanicutch_Southutch_South17
    0.03648644 FRA_EBA:I15033
    0.03696471 Germanicutch_Southutch_South5
    0.03705064 Romance:French_Paris:83
    0.03705941 CZE_IA_La_Tene:I16271
    0.03749013 Romance:French_Alsace:A_29
    0.03755236 Romance:French_Brittany:B_12
    0.03774652 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK345
    0.03788417 CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I14983
    0.03813489 Romance:French_Alsace:A_38
    0.03835153 Romance:French_Nord:N_96
    0.03864906 Romance:French_Alsace:A_19
    0.03892069 Romance:French_Paris:47
    0.03906290 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK336
    0.03910869 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Sealand_VA:VK385
    0.03914026 HRV_MBA:I24342
    Last edited by Luso; 01-06-2022 at 07:11 PM.
    History of the Algarve: Hidden Content

    Paternal Lineage- R-Z225: Săo Bartolomeu de Messines- em Silves, Portugal

    Maternal Lineage: H1c3: Estrela de Monchique- em Silves, Portugal

    Silves, Portugal: Hidden Content

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    Ancient samples only

    Distance to: Radboud
    0.02052973 Ancient:England_Saxon:I0774
    0.02260177 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK396
    0.02422953 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I13753
    0.02496077 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK337
    0.02506631 England_MIA:I21179
    0.02579322 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK353
    0.02649792 Ancient:VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA:VK99
    0.02664507 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Sealand_EVA:VK70
    0.02707951 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Funen_VA:VK301
    0.02718713 England_MIA:I12771
    0.02751618 Ancient:VK2020_England_Dorset_VA:VK260
    0.02803052 Ancient:VK2020_England_Oxford_VA:VK168
    0.02818528 CZE_IA_La_Tene:I15045
    0.02830300 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I5503
    0.02836265 Ancient:VK2020_NOR_North_VA:VK514
    0.02841320 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA:VK361
    0.02855819 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA:VK456
    0.02877308 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA:VK460
    0.02879219 Ancient:VK2020_ISL_Ingiridarstadir_VA:VK129
    0.02890986 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA:VK364
    0.02896895 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK333
    0.02901793 Ancient:VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK241
    0.02902396 England_LIA:I12927
    0.02912370 England_LIA:I12785
    0.02932456 Ancient:VK2020_ISL_Hringsdalur_VA:VK127

    Modern & ancient samples

    Distance to: Radboud
    0.02052973 Ancient:England_Saxon:I0774
    0.02260177 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK396
    0.02263095 Celtic:Welsh:WalesBK58
    0.02422953 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I13753
    0.02432447 Romance:French_Nord:N_64
    0.02456156 Germanic:English:English6
    0.02496077 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK337
    0.02506631 England_MIA:I21179
    0.02579322 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK353
    0.02649792 Ancient:VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA:VK99
    0.02664507 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Sealand_EVA:VK70
    0.02678731 Germanic:Orcadian:Orcadian1
    0.02696090 Germanic:Scottish:Scottish2
    0.02697369 Romance:French_Brittany:B_28
    0.02707951 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Funen_VA:VK301
    0.02718713 England_MIA:I12771
    0.02742900 Germanic:Norwegian:Norwegian6
    0.02751618 Ancient:VK2020_England_Dorset_VA:VK260
    0.02769079 Germanic:English:English5
    0.02770018 Romance:French_Brittany:B_85
    0.02803052 Ancient:VK2020_England_Oxford_VA:VK168
    0.02818528 CZE_IA_La_Tene:I15045
    0.02830300 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I5503
    0.02836265 Ancient:VK2020_NOR_North_VA:VK514
    0.02838943 Germanicutch_Southutch_South23

    My closest match is still one of the Anglo-Saxon samples. Kinda cool.

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  15. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luso View Post
    Did I do this wrong? Feel like it's a bit off. I'd think I'd plot closest to the Tartessian sample?
    Not necessarily, but the issue is that you appear to be using G25 coordinates when you're supposed to use CvG ones, they are different PCAs
    YDNA E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y134104>Y168273>FT17866 (TMRCA ~1000AD) - Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1690 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal - Stonemason, miller.
    mtDNA H20 - Monica Vieira, b. circa 1700 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

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    [1] "distance%=1.6404"
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    West_Iberia_IA,31
    Berber_EMA,11
    Roman_Colonial,10

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    Viking Denmark: VK274
    aDNA Match (2nd)
    Avar time Slav: Av1
    aDNA Match (3rd)
    La Tene Celt: I20752
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    Distance to: ph2ter_CG
    0.02026870 HUN_EIA_o3:I25525
    0.02472792 SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I11719
    0.02632660 Ancient:Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg021
    0.02643085 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Jutland_VA:VK84
    0.02688308 Ancient:VK2020_England_Dorset_VA:VK264
    0.02701796 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA:VK468
    0.02761920 CZE_IA_La_Tene:I17317
    0.02784852 England_LIA:I14351
    0.02787095 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK333
    0.02790018 Ancient:VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK353
    0.02795943 Ancient:VK2020_RUS_Ladoga_VA:VK220
    0.02807419 Ancient:Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036
    0.02825721 Ancient:VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA:VK99
    0.02836336 England_MIA_LIA:I19042
    0.02854750 CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I14983
    0.02865467 HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat_o1:I18241
    0.02869460 England_MIA:I17016
    0.02870000 Ancient:VK2020_DNK_Funen_VA:VK279
    0.02871202 Ancient:VK2020_RUS_Ladoga_VA:VK219
    0.02893475 England_MIA:I14858
    0.02896826 CZE_MBA_Tumulus:I16100
    0.02900138 England_IA:I16439
    0.02904273 CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13792
    0.02912696 CZE_IA_La_Tene:I15045
    0.02917705 CZE_IA_La_Tene:I15039
     
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    Every fourth map is free. Admix decomposition is $7 or €6.

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