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    From PF4363 to R-P37

    I logged in to my FtDNA account and find I am now R-P37.
    I do not see PF 4363 listed now, so I assume this SNP is now a dead snp.

    I did see a blue suggested CT number suggested for order, but it blanked out when I clicked on it.

    Any ideas ? Rich ?

    Rc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claxon View Post
    I logged in to my FtDNA account and find I am now R-P37.
    I do not see PF 4363 listed now, so I assume this SNP is now a dead snp.

    I did see a blue suggested CT number suggested for order, but it blanked out when I clicked on it.

    Any ideas ? Rich ?

    Rc
    I don't know that P37 is all that reliable...

    http://www.blutspendezurich.ch/Media...0chrom.(2).pdf
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Thanks for the most interesting paper...including the two villages involved and surnames, although they were not mentioned by actual name, it showed me the amount of interest in population DNA.
    Good stuff, and again, thanks for the paper, which I have printed out for deeper understanding.
    Rc

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    Interesting that this area of the Tyrol was Raetia, in Roman times. Back to the Legions :-)
    Lets not do this again... :-) I do realize the point of the paper is P37 being unstable... thanks again.
    Rc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claxon View Post
    I logged in to my FtDNA account and find I am now R-P37.
    I believe the R-P37's showing at FTNDA are false. After the issues with the updated Y-Tree FTDNA showed me as positive for P-37 and a few other SNPS I am negative for that are under different branches of the R Tree. All of my tested SNPS have since disappeared from my account. Hopefully they will correct this soon.

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    Here is something else, that may or may not have anything to do with this.... but here is something from the I2a page

    "25 April 2014 Update: FTDNA has updated its haplogroup tree. Unfortunately many of our members with P37+ results are now called G-P37 (G2a1b) or F. I am sure all of these members are in I-P37.2 (I2a). I hope FTDNA will correct the error soon."
    Now, PF4363 was first found in Sardinia in a person that was I2a ( I think)
    Is this a cross link between PF4363 and P37 ? I don't think so, but apparently This same U152 /PF4363 and I2a/ PF4363, are now I p37 and R1 P 37.
    I know the point of all this is that is not a stable SNP, but something is linking up here.

    I assume the people in the two villages in Tyrol with this non stable SNP, DO share something with me.
    This is really quite interesting.

    Another point here...Polibius ( I think) stated that the Ratae originated as Etruscans.

    So, if I am off, as I probably am, this only shows what a person that reads a lot, yet knows nothing of the real business of DNA, can come up with. :-)
    Food for thought though.
    Rc
    Last edited by Claxon; 05-10-2014 at 12:45 AM.

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    On the FTDNA Y Tree R-P37 is under Z49 and myself and my group are negative for -Z49 which is why I believe this is more than just an unstable SNP.

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    Today, I am M269.
    My DNA match, Mike Kipling, the admin of the Kipling DNA Project, informs me that he is still R -PF4363.
    Also, it is suggested ( in blue) that I order perhaps 50 snp's.

    So, apparently FtDNA is more unstable than the SNP ?

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    You appear to be advised to order Z193!

    This isn't available in the advanced tests and Thomas on YSeq says it is very unstable anyway



    Quote Originally Posted by Claxon View Post
    Today, I am M269.

    So, apparently FtDNA is more than the SNP ?
    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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    wonder what I shall be tomorrow ? R1B1C10 perhaps :-)

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