FYI: Unless I have memory loss, it appears FTDNA has reorganized their haplotree, so that there is now a mutation between P312 & ZZ11, called R-Z46516.
While we've known for a while now there was a mutation between P312 & ZZ11 thanks to Alex Williams' bigtree
https://www.ytree.net/
Alex has a different mutation at this level (Z40481)
Also FTDNA branch FGC84729 isn't present on BigTree
FGC84729 has subclades DF99 & ZZ37_1, while Bigtree has them directly underneath Z40481
Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 01-08-2022 at 11:01 PM.
Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
35% English, 15% Scottish, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 11% Ulster Scot, 5% Ireland, 3% Scandinavian, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
"Nemo est supra leges."
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Neither Z40481 nor FGC84729 is a very new discovery, but if they are equivalent (which I'm unprepared to say), Z40481 is an Indel (TTTA deletion) whereas FGC84729 is a regular SNP. So there are those who would prefer it, on that basis. Z46516 is not yet listed on YBrowse. http://ybrowse.y-chromosome.org/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/
MitchellSince1893 (01-09-2022), Webb (01-09-2022)
Well this messes up my tracking of when will ZZ11 pass his "Uncle" U106. Now U106 is his great uncle.Originally Posted by razyn
P312>Z46516 is already larger than U106 in the FTDNA data base
P312>Z290: 27,406
P312>Z290>L21: 27,395
P312>Z46516: 17681
U106: 17,343
P312>Z46516>ZZ11: 17142
Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
35% English, 15% Scottish, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 11% Ulster Scot, 5% Ireland, 3% Scandinavian, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
"Nemo est supra leges."
razyn (01-10-2022), sheepslayer (01-09-2022), Webb (01-10-2022)
Doubtless this is because someone recently tested P312>Z46516* in the Big Y. I have posted more information on Z46516 rlsewhere on this forum (under the P312** thread).FYI: Unless I have memory loss, it appears FTDNA has reorganized their haplotree, so that there is now a mutation between P312 & ZZ11, called R-Z46516.
While we've known for a while now there was a mutation between P312 & ZZ11 thanks to Alex Williams' bigtree
https://www.ytree.net/
Alex has a different mutation at this level (Z40481)
Also FTDNA branch FGC84729 isn't present on BigTree
FGC84729 has subclades DF99 & ZZ37_1, while Bigtree has them directly underneath Z40481
Last edited by GoldenHind; 01-14-2022 at 01:10 AM.
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