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    FYI: FTDNA Haplotree Finally Reorganized to show new SNP between P312 & ZZ11

    FYI: Unless I have memory loss, it appears FTDNA has reorganized their haplotree, so that there is now a mutation between P312 & ZZ11, called R-Z46516.



    While we've known for a while now there was a mutation between P312 & ZZ11 thanks to Alex Williams' bigtree
    https://www.ytree.net/

    Alex has a different mutation at this level (Z40481)

    Also FTDNA branch FGC84729 isn't present on BigTree

    FGC84729 has subclades DF99 & ZZ37_1, while Bigtree has them directly underneath Z40481

    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 01-08-2022 at 11:01 PM.
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    Neither Z40481 nor FGC84729 is a very new discovery, but if they are equivalent (which I'm unprepared to say), Z40481 is an Indel (TTTA deletion) whereas FGC84729 is a regular SNP. So there are those who would prefer it, on that basis. Z46516 is not yet listed on YBrowse. http://ybrowse.y-chromosome.org/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/

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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    Neither Z40481 nor FGC84729 is a very new discovery, but if they are equivalent (which I'm unprepared to say), Z40481 is an Indel (TTTA deletion) whereas FGC84729 is a regular SNP. So there are those who would prefer it, on that basis. Z46516 is not yet listed on YBrowse. http://ybrowse.y-chromosome.org/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/
    Well this messes up my tracking of when will ZZ11 pass his "Uncle" U106. Now U106 is his great uncle.

    P312>Z46516 is already larger than U106 in the FTDNA data base

    P312>Z290: 27,406
    P312>Z290>L21: 27,395
    P312>Z46516: 17681
    U106: 17,343
    P312>Z46516>ZZ11: 17142
    Y dna continued: Z142>Z150>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
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    14% German/3% Scandi-Finn/2% French & Dutch/1% India

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    FYI: Unless I have memory loss, it appears FTDNA has reorganized their haplotree, so that there is now a mutation between P312 & ZZ11, called R-Z46516.



    While we've known for a while now there was a mutation between P312 & ZZ11 thanks to Alex Williams' bigtree
    https://www.ytree.net/

    Alex has a different mutation at this level (Z40481)

    Also FTDNA branch FGC84729 isn't present on BigTree

    FGC84729 has subclades DF99 & ZZ37_1, while Bigtree has them directly underneath Z40481

    Doubtless this is because someone recently tested P312>Z46516* in the Big Y. I have posted more information on Z46516 rlsewhere on this forum (under the P312** thread).
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