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    Help with the French genetic profile (Norman vs Aquitaine vs Flanders, etc)

    I am trying to rationalize by auDNA results with my ancestry on paper. I am descended from British and French colonists of North America such that around 40% of my family tree on paper originated in France. My results from commercial testing sites are sporadic. The breakdown is as follows: [Ancestry - England & NW Europe 45%, Scotland 20%, Ireland 18%, Sweden & Denmark 10%, Wales 6%, Indigenous Americas 1%], [FTDNA: England, Wales, & Scotland 47%, Ireland 22%, Central Europe 19%, Greece & Balkans 7%, Italian 4%], [MyHeritage: North and West Europe 51.8%, Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 28.1%, Iberian 16.7%]

    Ancestry does not seem to pick up much of my French, while the other two sites seem to put France and Germany together, meanwhile, MyHeritage leaves out any English when it is predominant in the other two. Eurogenes has my profile closer to SE England, SW England, and North Dutch.

    Anyway, to get to my question, I went back and looked at my paper tree to see where in France my ancestors originated from and it seems that they came from various regions. I have several from Normandy, Burgundy, Flanders, and some from Aquitaine and Paris. Would these regions have differing genetic profiles or would they all seem mostly Germanic?

    I get this question a lot when I am helping people in my area with their genealogy as they expect their ethnicity results to match what is on paper.

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    Basically yes, those regions have "differing genetic profiles".

    You can ask directly to French people here: French subforum

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    Did you get your G25 coordinates ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxez View Post
    Did you get your G25 coordinates ?
    No. From my understanding he is not giving G25 coordinates at this time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCave View Post
    No. From my understanding he is not giving G25 coordinates at this time?
    You can get your G25 coordinates by sending a request to Davidski (12 USD) https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/...obal25_12.html

    It could be useful to know more about your genetic background

    on this site (https://www.exploreyourdna.com/listes.aspx), you can find the G25 coordinates of some French members classified according to the department of origin of their 4 grandparents
    Last edited by xerxez; 01-11-2022 at 08:34 PM.

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    Good luck disentangling a part of Norman heritage from a British part (regardless of the British nation involved). My mother is from Normandy (northern Manche) for 75%, and 25% from Orkneys (yet quite specific it seems to me), and I have never managed to make these two sources appear convincingly, even with professional tools. Its Orcadian part only really appears with the IBDs (by fastIBD). As for my father, he is half Norman (north of the Pays de Caux) by his father, and his mother was 75% Frisian. The mixture is reflected on the usual autosomal tools in various ways, all more or less parasitized by the Finnish 25% of his mother, but which never refer to any region of France. As for me, who am therefore a mixture of these two cocktails, I let you imagine all that I could read as fanciful ancestral compositions. I fear that as far as Normandy is concerned, the problem will be extremely difficult, for lack of sufficient specificity in relation to the environment and the Celtic-Germanic-Nordic origin. For the record, on MyHeritage, here is the beginning of the list of my autosomal matches:
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    It may be less illusory to dream of showing an origin in Aquitaine, but I have no personal experience of this kind of work. By the way, I point out (once again) that the specimens from the French regions which served on G25 come (for the most part at least, perhaps all) from a study whose regional labels are very unreliable (Biagini). So good luck!
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    North and West European 55.8%
    English 28.5%
    Baltic 11.5%
    Finnish 4.2%
    GENETIC GROUPS Scotland (Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire)

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    Thanks all for the information. As I studied my paper tree, I realize that most of my French ancestry was from French Canadians who became part of the Louisiana colony. Very few came to my area directly from France. It seems that when France was populating their North American colonies, they recruited/impressed colonists heavily from Northwestern France. I have a few ancestors that were from Poiters which is southwestern France, which may help explain why I sometimes see Iberian in my tests?

    I just received my G25 coordinates this morning, so I will have to learn how to do that analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCave View Post
    Thanks all for the information. As I studied my paper tree, I realize that most of my French ancestry was from French Canadians who became part of the Louisiana colony. Very few came to my area directly from France. It seems that when France was populating their North American colonies, they recruited/impressed colonists heavily from Northwestern France. I have a few ancestors that were from Poiters which is southwestern France, which may help explain why I sometimes see Iberian in my tests?

    I just received my G25 coordinates this morning, so I will have to learn how to do that analysis.
    Thanks for these informations. Can you share your G25 coordinates ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxez View Post
    Thanks for these informations. Can you share your G25 coordinates ?
    JCave_scaled,0.119514,0.128972,0.053551,0.042959,0 .033852,0.012271,-0.003525,-0.003923,0.007158,0.002187,-0.008119,0.003747,-0.015163,-0.007844,0.021987,0.004508,-0.005867,-0.001647,-0.001131,0.001126,0.002371,-0.002597,-0.007025,0.008917,-0.005389

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    The modern populations closest to you (average)
    Distance to: JCave_scaled
    0.02230610 Afrikaner
    0.02457221 Orcadian
    0.02510210 French_Brittany
    0.02619188 Scottish
    0.02677210 Dutch
    0.02698283 Welsh
    0.02726227 English
    0.02755461 Irish
    0.02832041 Belgian
    0.02868179 English_Cornwall
    0.03006489 German
    0.03192250 French_Nord
    0.03202623 Danish
    0.03211392 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03285973 Shetlandic
    0.03344681 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.03486866 French_Alsace
    0.03542935 Norwegian
    0.03578465 Icelandic
    0.03606153 French_Paris
    0.03692330 Swiss_German
    0.03833599 Austrian
    0.04011393 Swedish
    0.04338996 German_East
    0.04526321 French_Occitanie

    Target: JCave_scaled
    Distance: 1.1777% / 0.01177678
    50.6 Orcadian
    27.6 Irish
    10.8 Spanish_Soria
    3.0 Georgian_Megr
    2.0 Lithuanian_PZ
    2.0 Spanish_Extremadura
    1.4 Datog
    1.4 Surui
    0.6 Punjabi_Jatt
    0.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    0.2 Ethiopian_Wolayta
    0.2 Papuan

    With only 2 populations :
    Target: JCave_scaled
    Distance: 1.8768% / 0.01876787 | R2P
    97.4 French_Brittany
    2.6 Quechua

    With 3 populations :
    Target: JCave_scaled
    Distance: 1.5055% / 0.01505473 | R3P
    95.2 French_Brittany
    2.4 Quechua
    2.4 Somali

    With only 2 populations with only big European modern averages as source. Not that far of 40% French in your genealogy
    Target: Cave_scaled
    Distance: 2.3657% / 0.02365670 | R2P
    65.6 Scottish
    34.4 French_Nord

    On G25 Europe PCA :


    On G25 North Europe PCA :


    On G25 standard calculator :


    My analysis is that overall, your profile is very similar to that of the British with a very small Native American and African touch.
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