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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Well all that means is that you are extremely divergent! Congratulations tho but you still need to find me some Egyptian or Sudanese that is E-V12* like yourself.
    Yes I understand that scientific papers mean nothing to you, you'd prefer to make things up out of thin air. Nice! The Egyptians we're from Ireland!
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    Balto - North Slavic 22.4%
    Northwest European 18.8%
    Italian Greek 18.1%
    Persian Jewish 9%
    Iberian 6.3%
    Ashkenazi Jewish 5.9%
    Basque 4.3%
    Sephardic Jewish 4.1%
    Balochi Punjab 3.7%
    Caucasus 2.5%
    Urals 1.3%
    Finnish 1.2%
    Lebanese Cypriot 1%
    Other 1.4%

    Sephardic Jewish Turkey 18.8%
    Argyll and Bute Scottish Highlands 18.6%
    Sardinia 18.4%
    Lithuania 15.7%
    Russia Voronezh 7%
    Belgium 5.6%
    Syrian Jewish 4.9%
    Libyan Jewish 4.4%
    Russia Tver 2.4%
    Azerbaijani Jewish 2.2%

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Well all that means is that you are extremely divergent! Congratulations tho but you still need to find me some Egyptian or Sudanese that is E-V12* like yourself.
    I literally quoted 2 scientist's (Trombetta and Cruciani), posted papers. You sat here and gave your opinion, as if you have some sort of credibility, not even knowing that E-V12* existed on the ytree. I guess ytree makes up fake sub-clades for fun, I guess they put haplogroups on the tree that no one has ever tested positive to.
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    Balto - North Slavic 22.4%
    Northwest European 18.8%
    Italian Greek 18.1%
    Persian Jewish 9%
    Iberian 6.3%
    Ashkenazi Jewish 5.9%
    Basque 4.3%
    Sephardic Jewish 4.1%
    Balochi Punjab 3.7%
    Caucasus 2.5%
    Urals 1.3%
    Finnish 1.2%
    Lebanese Cypriot 1%
    Other 1.4%

    Sephardic Jewish Turkey 18.8%
    Argyll and Bute Scottish Highlands 18.6%
    Sardinia 18.4%
    Lithuania 15.7%
    Russia Voronezh 7%
    Belgium 5.6%
    Syrian Jewish 4.9%
    Libyan Jewish 4.4%
    Russia Tver 2.4%
    Azerbaijani Jewish 2.2%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    I literally quoted 2 scientist's (Trombetta and Cruciani), posted papers. You sat here and gave your opinion, as if you have some sort of credibility, not even knowing that E-V12* existed on the ytree. I guess ytree makes up fake sub-clades for fun, I guess they put haplogroups on the tree that no one has ever tested positive to.
    Yfull is legit

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    No offense to anybody but the fact that so many threads that even mention Egypt. Get a warning or are closed is sad. That being said if ANA can be associated with the Aterian. It might have been a key component in the genesis of North and West Africans. They were widespread throughout North Africa and the Sahara. But archeology also showed marked variation in various regions. There is evidence that during the earlier desertification of the Sahara. Aterians moved into sub Saharan West Africa and North into coastal North Africa. We don't know what effect that had on these regions. But it might explain at least part of the affinity between ANA and deep West African ancestry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Srananšao View Post
    No offense to anybody but the fact that so many threads that even mention Egypt. Get a warning or are closed is sad. That being said if ANA can be associated with the Aterian. It might have been a key component in the genesis of North and West Africans. They were widespread throughout North Africa and the Sahara. But archeology also showed marked variation in various regions. There is evidence that during the earlier desertification of the Sahara. Aterians moved into sub Saharan West Africa and North into coastal North Africa. We don't know what effect that had on these regions. But it might explain at least part of the affinity between ANA and deep West African ancestry.
    Let’s reserve judgement until actual older west African samples show up, then we will know the answer we just have to patient

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    Modelling Yoruba with shum laka and simulated ana

    Target: Yoruba
    Distance: 23.0381% / 0.23038129
    89.6 CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP
    10.4 Ancestral_North-African(DZU-55%-45%)


    Still a relatively high distance

    With ibm:

    Target: Yoruba
    Distance: 23.6318% / 0.23631791
    90.0 CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP
    10.0 Iberomaurusian
    Last edited by Gentica277282; 01-22-2022 at 11:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Srananšao View Post
    No offense to anybody but the fact that so many threads that even mention Egypt. Get a warning or are closed is sad. That being said if ANA can be associated with the Aterian. It might have been a key component in the genesis of North and West Africans. They were widespread throughout North Africa and the Sahara. But archeology also showed marked variation in various regions. There is evidence that during the earlier desertification of the Sahara. Aterians moved into sub Saharan West Africa and North into coastal North Africa. We don't know what effect that had on these regions. But it might explain at least part of the affinity between ANA and deep West African ancestry.
    I think Aterian began far too long ago to be responsible for ANA-specifically. It may be the basal West African lineage, or it could be something else branching off somewhere between South-African-HG and the ANA/OOA clade.
    Personally I'm leaning towards the second option, in qpgraph giving Taforalt such an input pushes them away from Mota which in turn allows non-zero drift on a nice branch that sort of mirrors y-hg E branching.
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    I decided to run myself on a model including a copt Egyptian to see if I would score any.


    Distance: 1.4356% / 0.01435637
    58.6 Saharawi-Mozabite-Moroccan
    17.8 Coptic-Egyptian
    12.4 Bedouin-Saudi-Yemenite
    5.2 Esan-Igbo-Yoruba
    4.4 Basque
    0.8 Cachi-Colla-LaPaz
    0.8 Papuan-Kosipe-Koinanbe

    If anyone has any copt cords they can post so I can try them out to see if it’s consistently taking away from arab dna
    Last edited by Gentica277282; 01-26-2022 at 01:16 AM.
    Qpadm results

    55.5% Guanche
    32.9% Lebanon_MBA
    11.6% Kindoki.

    MA model individuals
    Target: me
    Distance: 1.2692% / 0.01269249
    63.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    17.4 Syrian_MA
    10.0 Levant_LBN_MA
    9.6 Kindoki_230BP

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