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Thread: Subclades of L21: British Islands vs Continent

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    Subclades of L21: British Islands vs Continent

    Through maps of R-L21 DNA project:

    Sub-clades known under L21, are mostly british.
    However, some sub-clades seem more important in continant than in the British Isles:
    DF63
    FGC5496
    DF23
    Z251 (L583 in East Europe)
    Z253 and Z2534
    CTS3386 (East Europe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolan View Post
    Through maps of R-L21 DNA project:

    Sub-clades known under L21, are mostly british.
    Mostly British and Irish would be more correct thing to say. Regarding your division of continent into West/East what's your borderline between the two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubhthach View Post
    Mostly British and Irish would be more correct thing to say. Regarding your division of continent into West/East what's your borderline between the two?

    -Paul
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    The borderline that I used for Western Europe: from Sweden to Italy, via Germany.
    The Eastern Europe: East of this border

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    We currently have two continental occurrences of FGC5496. In addition, we have representatives from Scotland, Ireland, the Isle of Man and England. From a separate study, there are thought to be a large number from Wales.

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    My Norwegian kit is awaiting FGC5496 results. I have absolutely no idea how that will turn out, just trying what is left after Geno 2.0 showed negatives for most other snps below DF13. Also negative for CTS2457.

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    I think France and adjacent is the key. Without deep clade testing of a descent sample from France its going to be impossible to understand the interrelationships. Deep L21 testing is just so skewed to the isles that I think our impression is probably hopelessly distorted at the moment and with the French in general not into DNA testing its not going to be fixed any times soon. I recall the amount of effort Rich had to put in to get L21 testing in France even when free testing was being offered and when L21 was coming up positive at a very impressive rate among the French who did test (and note that Bretons were deliberately not targeted as people would just say it was all down to the British migration).

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    I think that the comparison is not accurate enough while the idea of comparing British Island vs Continent is a good idea. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the number of kit is still too low in the continent in comparison with British Islands.

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    30,773 (England)
    18,923 (Ireland)
    14,645 (Scotland)
    12,635 (United Kingdom)
    2,613 (Wales)
    2,583 (Northern Ireland)

    Total Isles= 82,172

    4,430 (France)

    So, yeah, for such a populous country, France is way under tested.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yggdrasil View Post
    My Norwegian kit is awaiting FGC5496 results. I have absolutely no idea how that will turn out, just trying what is left after Geno 2.0 showed negatives for most other snps below DF13. Also negative for CTS2457.
    If you show up negative for FGC5496 you can always try S1051 which is as old as FGC5496 and some people having possible Scandinavian Ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan View Post
    I think France and adjacent is the key. Without deep clade testing of a descent sample from France its going to be impossible to understand the interrelationships.
    Precisely why I am still on the sidelines. I was initially excited to have a good paper trail to the continent until I realized Frankfurt was/is such a melting pot that my DNA results would be nearly meaningless.
    R-P312/S116 > L21/S145 > DF13 > Z39589 > A4556 > 2777444-T-C

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