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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    @Michalis Moriopoulos
    Which tool do you use for G25 simulation?
    G25 simulation is very poor I’ve compared it to my actual results and they produce laughable results.
    With high coverage Guanche sample 011
    SUCCESS p=.985
    55 Guanche.SG_11
    32 Canaanite_MLBA
    13 COG_MatangaiTuru_IA

    SUCCESS p=.978
    50 Guanche.SG_11
    40 BedouinB.DG
    11 COG_MatangaiTuru_IA

    G25 results

    Target: Me
    Distance: 1.4691% / 0.01469064 | R5P
    52.8 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    21.2 Yemenite_Mahra
    17.8 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
    5.4 Yoruba
    2.8 Bulala





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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin Candie View Post
    It can be done from the results of K36.

    https://www.exploreyourdna.com/simulated-g25.aspx
    I am asking for K13.
     
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    Thank you Michalis for the time and effort you put into this!

    This is a summary of the individual simulations you shared in this thread

    https://pastebin.com/raw/rA5uVFXt

    Their respective averages

    Code:
    Crimean_Tatar_Coast,0.11305,0.129,-0.0055,-0.0193,0.0014,-0.0055,-0.00015,-0.00115,-0.0116,0.00415,0.00155,0.00065,-0.00745,0.00265,-0.00785,-0.00615,-0.0012,-0.00035,-0.0016,-0.0014,-0.00355,0.0013,0.0042,-0.00355,-0.0004
    Crimean_Tatar_Mountain,0.1019,0.0604,0.0069,-0.01115,-0.0058,-0.00325,0.00405,0.00245,-0.01185,-0.00635,-0.00235,0.00055,-0.0021,-0.00275,-0.00185,-0.00495,-0.0053,0.00035,-0.00415,-0.00135,0.00465,0.00375,0.0003,-0.0013,0.0001
    Crimean_Tatar_Steppe,0.09017,-0.05772,0.03727,0.00777,-0.01432,-0.00401,0.00511,0.00658,-0.005,-0.00844,-0.00476,-0.00077,0.00365,-0.01575,-0.00538,-0.00045,0.00256,-0.00064,-0.005,-0.00185,-0.00024,0.00155,-0.00157,-0.00018,-0.00069
    Greek_Attica,0.1195,0.14456667,0.0071333333,-0.0237,0.021366667,-0.0092333333,-0.00036666667,-0.00036666667,0.0036333333,0.017066667,0.0012333333,0.0035,-0.0063333333,0.00086666667,-0.011066667,0.0025333333,0.0137,0.0003,0.0011,-0.0041,-0.0038333333,0.0010333333,-0.00023333333,-0.00043333333,-9.0350181e-21
    Greek_Cappadocia,0.10575,0.1403,-0.03935,-0.0592,-0.01375,-0.01675,-0.00015,-0.0069,-0.02115,0.00875,0.0052,0.00455,-0.0077,-0.00125,-0.009,0.00125,0.0108,0.0002,0.00065,-0.0035,0.00035,0.0005,-0.001,0.00095,0.00015
    Greek_Cappadocia_Kaisareia,0.1105,0.1428,-0.0373,-0.0538,-0.0096,-0.0179,0.0001,-0.0063,-0.017,0.0116,0.0098,0.0054,-0.0077,-0.0006,-0.0109,-0.0027,0.0083,0.001,0.0036,-0.0089,-0.0024,0.0022,-0.0005,-0.0016,0.0007
    Greek_Central_Greece,0.121,0.1445,0.0105,-0.0061,0.0287,-0.0065,0.001,0.002,0.0017,0.0043,0.0012,0.0004,-0.0034,0.0074,-0.0125,-0.0027,0.0089,0.0003,0.0031,-0.0071,-0.0042,0.002,-0.0009,-0.0083,0.0007
    Greek_Central_Greece_Boeotia,0.12132,0.14482,0.01244,-0.01736,0.02494,-0.00428,0.00034,0.00042,0.00236,0.01386,0.00044,0.00208,-0.0067,0.0032,-0.01252,0.00074,0.01046,0.00008,0.00246,-0.00476,-0.00488,0.00114,0.00032,-0.00332,0.00176
    Greek_Central_Greece_Phocis,0.12098,0.14632,0.00934,-0.02162,0.02318,-0.00466,0.00072,-0.0013,0.00198,0.01424,-0.00058,0.00176,-0.00484,0.0036,-0.01144,-0.00112,0.00776,0.00048,0.0038,-0.00592,-0.006,-0.00028,0.00096,-0.00082,0.00074
    Greek_Central_Greece_Phthiotis,0.1188,0.1417,0.0062,-0.0214,0.0222,-0.0026,-0.0011,-0.0013,-0.0015,0.0154,-0.0021,0.0005,-0.0047,0.0065,-0.0149,-0.0019,0.0076,-0.0004,0.0028,-0.0049,-0.0082,-0.0001,0.003,-0.0019,-0.001
    Greek_Central_Macedonia,0.123325,0.1457,0.018725,-0.0074,0.0281,-0.0034,0.001375,0.001375,0.000675,0.00975,0.001275,0.002125,-0.006975,0.0039,-0.013875,-0.000525,0.01,-0.0011,0.00515,-0.006125,-0.004725,0.003025,0.002275,-0.002275,-0.000175
    Greek_Crete,0.11093333,0.14651667,-0.014266667,-0.047133333,0.0071333333,-0.016416667,0.0013,-0.0010166667,-0.0009,0.016633333,0.0027333333,0.0028,-0.00255,0.00065,-0.0089833333,-0.00011666667,0.0066,0.000066666667,0.0025333333,-0.0038166667,-0.00205,-0.00023333333,-0.00015,0.00016666667,-0.0013166667
    Greek_Crete_Chania,0.11561667,0.1437,-0.0097666667,-0.042233333,0.0071833333,-0.013,0.00043333333,-0.0025833333,-0.0034,0.0164,0.0013166667,0.0025666667,-0.0017666667,0.0027166667,-0.01115,-0.00036666667,0.0053166667,0.00013333333,0.00085,-0.0040333333,-0.0022166667,0.0011333333,0.00013333333,-0.0016333333,-0.00255
    Greek_Crete_East,0.10697,0.14584,-0.01525,-0.04729,0.00774,-0.01796,-0.00015,-0.00099,-0.00094,0.01623,0.00272,0.00209,-0.00334,-0.00038,-0.0099,0.00186,0.01002,-0.0007,0.00196,-0.00269,-0.00125,-0.00084,-0.00147,0.00042,-0.00088
    Greek_Crete_Muslim,0.1045,0.14025,-0.01015,-0.036,0.00535,-0.01445,0.0001,-0.00095,-0.0055,0.0099,0.0027,0.00085,-0.0042,-0.0034,-0.0061,0.00575,0.0158,-0.00105,-0.00005,0.002,0.00325,-0.0008,-0.00445,0.00075,0.0008
    Greek_Cyclades_Andros,0.10912857,0.14321429,-0.0045285714,-0.0396,0.011471429,-0.014428571,-0.0021285714,-0.0036571429,0.0018428571,0.018842857,0.0024571429,0.0036285714,-0.0048714286,0.00071428571,-0.0087714286,-0.00042857143,0.0049142857,-0.00015714286,0.00087142857,-0.0045285714,-0.0022,0.00077142857,0.00075714286,0.00011428571,-0.00065714286
    Greek_Cyclades_Naxos,0.1088,0.137,-0.0099,-0.0411,0.0099,-0.012,-0.0059,-0.0041,-0.002,0.0232,0.0024,0.0019,-0.006,0.0073,-0.0169,0.001,0.008,-0.0013,0.0002,-0.0066,-0.0017,0.0037,0.0037,-0.0067,-0.0006
    Greek_Cyclades_Paros,0.10905,0.14435,-0.0062,-0.03975,0.01065,-0.0149,-0.00145,-0.00185,-0.0024,0.017,0.0015,0.0038,-0.00565,0.0002,-0.0116,-0.00025,0.00815,-0.00015,0.0059,-0.00595,-0.0016,-0.0001,-0.0005,-0.001,-0.0001
    Greek_Cyclades_Santorini,0.1134,0.1452,-0.012,-0.0498,0.0027,-0.017,-0.0033,-0.0073,-0.0057,0.017,0.0023,0.0024,-0.0061,0.0006,-0.0105,0.0039,0.0116,0.0003,0.0012,0.0014,0.0009,0.0016,-0.0019,0.0017,0.0002
    Greek_Cyprus,0.10269375,0.14950417,-0.036875,-0.069897917,-0.003175,-0.023591667,-0.00171875,-0.003525,-0.0028583333,0.021352083,0.0067041667,0.00165625,-0.0027979167,-0.0019833333,-0.012791667,-0.0013291667,0.0063770833,-0.0016625,0.0021333333,-0.0044666667,-0.0026375,-0.0010833333,0.00133125,-0.00051875,0.000825
    Greek_Dodecanese_Astypalaia,0.10906667,0.14613333,-0.0114,-0.042133333,0.0099,-0.019333333,0.00043333333,-0.0011666667,-0.0010333333,0.0189,0.00033333333,0.0033,-0.0060333333,-0.000066666667,-0.0093333333,-0.0007,0.010066667,-0.000066666667,0.0015,-0.0037,-0.0016666667,-0.00016666667,-0.0037333333,0.0012666667,-0.0024333333
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos,0.11013333,0.1478,-0.019606667,-0.051833333,0.00634,-0.0186,0.00018666667,-0.00192,-0.00252,0.0185,0.0043466667,0.00186,-0.00524,0.00078666667,-0.010926667,0.0009,0.00936,0.00076,0.0032266667,-0.0026266667,-0.00144,-0.0016133333,0.00054,-0.00028666667,-0.00084666667
    Greek_Dodecanese_Karpathos,0.11168333,0.14723333,-0.021483333,-0.058116667,0.0033,-0.017316667,0.0011166667,-0.0033166667,-0.00155,0.017866667,0.0050166667,0.0033666667,-0.00093333333,-0.0011166667,-0.011833333,0.0020833333,0.0077,-0.000016666667,0.00098333333,-0.00245,-0.00085,0.00005,0.001,-0.00048333333,-0.00036666667
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kasos,0.114,0.146,-0.0089,-0.0495,0.0051,-0.0165,0.0001,-0.0017,0.0008,0.0168,0.0005,0.0028,0.0026,0.0033,-0.0122,-0.0034,-0.0029,0.0018,-0.0018,-0.0063,-0.0022,0.0022,-0.001,0.0014,-0.0013
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kastellorizo,0.10455,0.14615,-0.0308,-0.05965,0.00065,-0.022,-0.00095,-0.0043,-0.00395,0.0178,0.00625,0.00275,-0.005,-0.0008,-0.0096,-0.0019,0.00635,-0.00065,0.00035,-0.00505,-0.00105,0.00045,-0.001,0.00185,0.00015
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kos,0.11299,0.14671,-0.02174,-0.05384,0.00254,-0.0186,0.0007,-0.00271,-0.00461,0.01734,0.00468,0.0016,-0.00255,0.0005,-0.01094,0.00062,0.00798,0.00167,0.00151,-0.00345,-0.00105,-0.00122,0.00055,0.00084,-0.0004
    Greek_Dodecanese_Nisyros,0.10423333,0.14523333,-0.0191,-0.0485,0.0071666667,-0.0179,-0.0014666667,-0.0029333333,-0.0028666667,0.015766667,0.0029333333,0.0026333333,-0.0037666667,-0.0019666667,-0.011,-0.0006,0.0047,0.0012,0.0021333333,-0.0043,-0.0031,0.0001,-0.0001,0.0019333333,0.0025333333
    Greek_Dodecanese_Patmos,0.1116,0.1415,-0.0023,-0.0358,0.0151,-0.0128,-0.001,-0.0015,0.0022,0.0209,0.001,0.0034,-0.0056,0.0036,-0.0102,-0.0011,0.0079,-0.0009,0.0006,-0.0058,-0.0012,0.0022,0.0005,-0.0024,-0.0026
    Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes,0.109625,0.148525,-0.030875,-0.062325,0.002225,-0.0234,0.000125,-0.0033,-0.00545,0.02095,0.00675,0.00165,-0.005025,-0.002,-0.014875,0.00275,0.01275,0.00055,0.00345,-0.00345,-0.0034,-0.0032,0.0013,0.000775,0.002375
    Greek_Dodecanese_Symi,0.10715,0.146725,-0.03155,-0.061325,0.001575,-0.023425,-0.000875,-0.003975,-0.0047,0.018875,0.007275,0.0017,-0.0034,-0.00275,-0.013075,0.00065,0.01,0.000525,0.002175,-0.004575,-0.002775,-0.002775,0.001675,0.001525,0.002825
    Greek_Dodecanese_Symi_o,0.1013,0.1466,-0.0189,-0.0521,0.008,-0.0179,-0.0065,-0.0024,-0.0033,0.0177,0.0021,0.0034,-0.0046,-0.0015,-0.017,-0.0081,0.0035,0.0037,-0.0025,-0.0035,-0.0017,0.0009,-0.0016,0.0071,0.005
    Greek_Eastern_Rumelia,0.1163,0.1458,-0.0042,-0.0291,0.01,-0.0078,0.0013,-0.0012,-0.0052,0.0125,0.0012,0.0022,-0.0063,0.001,-0.0075,-0.0035,0.0049,-0.0011,-0.0026,-0.0041,-0.0046,-0.0009,0.0019,-0.0006,-0.0012
    Greek_Epirus,0.12205,0.1453125,0.0126375,-0.0155875,0.0238375,-0.003125,-0.0003,0.00075,0.0013375,0.012025,-0.00035,0.0017875,-0.006425,0.0035,-0.0121875,-0.0004125,0.0090125,-0.0002875,0.0037625,-0.00565,-0.0067625,0.00075,0.0010375,-0.0010125,0.0008125
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    Greek_Heptanese_Corfu,0.12115,0.14555,0.008,-0.0207,0.02195,-0.00455,0,-0.001,0.00145,0.01395,-0.0003,0.002,-0.0064,0.00425,-0.01215,-0.00015,0.01035,0.0004,0.00325,-0.0042,-0.0058,0.00195,0.00115,0.0009,0.0015
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    Greek_North_Aegean_Samos_o,0.1102,0.1458,-0.0105,-0.0431,0.0068,-0.0189,-0.0005,-0.0024,-0.0019,0.0146,0.003,-0.0007,-0.0057,0.0004,-0.003,0.0023,0.0141,0.0005,0.0031,0,0.0029,-0.0021,-0.0024,0.0022,-0.0032
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    Greek_Peloponnese_Arcadia,0.11729,0.14684,0.00794,-0.0264,0.02131,-0.0082,0.00004,-0.00159,0.00359,0.01674,0.0009,0.00289,-0.00515,0.00146,-0.00991,-0.00132,0.00548,0.00103,0.00218,-0.00444,-0.00344,-0.00036,0.0009,-0.00232,0.00001
    Greek_Peloponnese_Arcadia_North_Kynouria,0.11825,0.14965,0.00355,-0.0294,0.0184,-0.0095,-0.00045,-0.00125,-0.00005,0.0168,0.001,0.0013,-0.0064,0.00345,-0.01145,0.0006,0.00895,-0.00005,0.00405,-0.00415,-0.0052,0.0004,0.00035,0,-0.00015
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    Greek_Peloponnese_Elis,0.1148,0.14456667,0.0051,-0.0246,0.018533333,-0.0079333333,-0.0012666667,-0.00053333333,0.00033333333,0.0158,0.0013666667,0.00093333333,-0.0053333333,0.0043666667,-0.012533333,-0.00073333333,0.0071666667,-0.0005,0.00093333333,-0.0040666667,-0.0046333333,0.0015666667,0.0019333333,-0.0013666667,-0.00096666667
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    Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Eurotas,0.11921667,0.1462,0.010333333,-0.02095,0.0214,-0.0037666667,-0.00018333333,-0.0015666667,0.0024833333,0.01455,0.00026666667,0.0022,-0.0061333333,0.0014,-0.0093833333,-0.001,0.00535,-0.000066666667,0.0031666667,-0.0051166667,-0.0054833333,0.0005,0.0013,0.0011166667,0.00086666667
    Greek_Peloponnese_Messenia,0.11816667,0.1438,0.0058,-0.023255556,0.020233333,-0.0061222222,-0.00087777778,-0.00035555556,0.0011777778,0.015588889,0.00012222222,0.0021666667,-0.0059888889,0.0033777778,-0.012088889,0.000044444444,0.0098666667,-0.00042222222,0.0017777778,-0.0046,-0.0052222222,0.00072222222,0.0012111111,-0.0016333333,-0.000033333333
    Greek_Thessaly,0.11897143,0.1437,0.0087571429,-0.0173,0.022528571,-0.0063571429,-0.00024285714,0.00058571429,0.0009,0.011485714,0.00065714286,0.0012571429,-0.0059571429,0.003,-0.011157143,-0.00077142857,0.0088285714,-0.00038571429,0.0028142857,-0.0056857143,-0.0055857143,0.0015,0.001,-0.0014857143,-0.00062857143
    Greek_Western_Anatolia_Alatsata,0.1168,0.1482,-0.0002,-0.0282,0.0197,-0.0135,-0.0015,0.0004,0.0024,0.0188,0.001,0.0012,-0.0033,0.0004,-0.0059,0.0056,0.008,0.001,0.0055,-0.0054,-0.0054,0.001,0.0023,0.0012,-0.0022
    Greek_Western_Anatolia_Balia,0.11215,0.14445,-0.00335,-0.03455,0.00945,-0.01245,0.00065,-0.003,-0.0023,0.01395,0.0013,0.00205,-0.0051,-0.0007,-0.0053,-0.00145,0.007,0.00075,0.00205,-0.0023,-0.0002,-0.0015,-0.0011,0.00035,-0.0008
    Greek_Western_Anatolia_Dardanellia,0.1129,0.1442,-0.0018,-0.0309,0.0101,-0.0154,-0.0027,-0.0008,-0.0021,0.0169,0.0005,0.0002,-0.0088,-0.0018,-0.0043,0.0037,0.021,-0.0016,0.0003,0.0013,0.002,-0.0018,-0.003,0.0027,-0.0028
    Greek_Western_Anatolia_Dardanellia_o_(Balkan_Greek_Profile),0.1206,0.1431,0.0083,-0.0183,0.0186,-0.0044,0.0008,-0.0007,-0.0005,0.0122,-0.0014,0.0014,-0.0039,0.0011,-0.0101,0.0018,0.0131,-0.0014,0.0005,-0.0051,-0.0076,-0.0001,0.0016,0.0012,0.0003
    Greek_Western_Anatolia_Kato_Panagia,0.1145,0.1355,-0.0084,-0.0351,0.008,-0.01,-0.0015,-0.0012,-0.0047,0.0169,0.0002,0.0015,-0.0037,0.005,-0.0126,-0.0005,0.0083,-0.0015,-0.0032,-0.0047,-0.0027,0.0021,0.0022,-0.0032,-0.0019
    Greek_Western_Anatolia_Krini,0.1144,0.1492,-0.0043,-0.0329,0.0111,-0.0108,0.0008,-0.0016,-0.0055,0.0147,0.0019,0.0016,-0.0047,0.0027,-0.007,-0.0081,-0.0078,0.0002,-0.0023,-0.0064,-0.0051,-0.0002,0.001,-0.0011,-0.0031
    Greek_Western_Greece_Aetolia-Acarnania,0.119375,0.144475,0.013875,-0.016675,0.0226,-0.00515,0.000275,0.000875,0.00285,0.0142,-0.000325,0.002625,-0.006325,0.001675,-0.009225,-0.000975,0.0032,0.000175,0.002525,-0.0046,-0.005,0.00115,0.0004,-0.000375,-0.0006
    Greek_Western_Macedonia,0.1239,0.1438,0.017566667,-0.010933333,0.025166667,-0.00096666667,0.0010666667,-0.0001,0.00076666667,0.0090666667,0.00016666667,0.0014666667,-0.0048,0.0052666667,-0.013566667,-0.0008,0.0085666667,0.00046666667,0.0044,-0.0055,-0.0071666667,0.0010333333,0.0014666667,-0.0021333333,0.0020666667
    Macedonian_Greece_Florina,0.12348182,0.14329545,0.021172727,-0.0067181818,0.026754545,-0.00018636364,0.0024227273,0.0016090909,0.0012227273,0.0087727273,-0.00043181818,0.0012545455,-0.0049863636,0.0048363636,-0.013377273,0.00060909091,0.0094090909,-0.00040454545,0.0045409091,-0.0048727273,-0.0068954545,0.0014363636,0.0014727273,-0.0011136364,0.00058181818
    Macedonian_North_Macedonia,0.1232102,0.14379184,0.021240816,-0.0059979592,0.026802041,-0.0013306122,0.0012244898,0.002155102,0.0022102041,0.0098673469,0.000097959184,0.0017734694,-0.005822449,0.0035510204,-0.01205102,0.0014326531,0.0086530612,-0.00066734694,0.0042081633,-0.0048183673,-0.0064918367,0.0015489796,0.00042244898,-0.0010591837,-0.000063265306
    Maltese,0.08994,0.14498,-0.00752,-0.045253333,0.016606667,-0.017393333,-0.00384,0.00154,0.01182,0.02272,0.0008,0.0032,-0.0020533333,-0.00616,-0.0030733333,-0.00032,0.003,-0.00132,-0.00322,-0.0032533333,-0.00098,-0.0021666667,0.00268,-0.00038,0.0013466667
    Sicilian,0.1007,0.14773333,-0.01012381,-0.046304762,0.01387619,-0.018552381,-0.0020238095,-0.0014619048,0.0060333333,0.02152381,0.00078571429,0.0032047619,-0.0032619048,-0.0017142857,-0.0080142857,-0.0011952381,0.001052381,0.00009047619,0.00062857143,-0.0043809524,-0.004147619,0.00057142857,0.00041904762,0.00077619048,-0.0001952381
    Turkish_Cyprus,0.088841379,0.13623793,-0.031403448,-0.061837931,-0.0037137931,-0.019582759,-0.003237931,-0.0048448276,-0.00079655172,0.012489655,0.0053206897,0.0013103448,0.0021896552,-0.0023103448,-0.0052827586,-0.00066551724,0.00059310345,-0.00083103448,-0.0023068966,-0.0021827586,-0.0016,-0.0007,0.00095862069,-0.0022655172,0.0023586207
    Turkish_Cyprus_(Levant-Shifted_Profile),0.074822222,0.13635556,-0.0372,-0.066911111,-0.0078777778,-0.019644444,-0.0029555556,-0.0048222222,0.0033111111,0.0080111111,0.0056111111,-0.0011333333,0.0057444444,-0.0015222222,-0.0025444444,-0.00057777778,-0.0045777778,-0.00072222222,-0.002,0.000033333333,-0.00072222222,-0.00017777778,-0.00015555556,-0.0042,0.0018333333

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    @Michalis Moriopoulos
    Which tool do you use for G25 simulation?
    I just use Genoplot's simulation tool for K13. Works great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    G25 simulation is very poor I’ve compared it to my actual results and they produce laughable results.
    It's not ideal for North Africans because their ANA ancestry in K13 gets confused for SSA components. For other West Eurasians it's pretty good actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    I just use Genoplot's simulation tool for K13. Works great.
    I still haven't figured out how to get G25 from K13 in geneplot if you don't upload a DNA raw file.
     
    Some simple calculations, maps and plots I make for free, but for more complicated maps, plots and calculations I ask for a donation. A similarity map is $5, and an admix breakdown decomposition modern or ancient is $10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    I still haven't figured out how to get G25 from K13 in geneplot if you don't upload a DNA raw file.
    GenoPlot --> PCA Samples --> Add Personal Samples --> Add Sample --> Type: Eurogenes K13 --> Paste K13 coordinates --> Set Create G25 Simulation to Yes

    Something to watch out for... if the percentages don't exactly equal 100%, you have to massage them until they do.

    Also, don't let the percentages template fool you, you can paste Vahaduo style percentages. Doesn't have to be GEDmatch style.
    Last edited by PLogan; 08-19-2022 at 02:36 PM.

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    Great stuff, I was not sure I would ever see G25, even if they are sims , from so many different islands.

    Distance to: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
    0.02282096 Greek_Heptanese_Kythira
    0.02315686 Greek_Crete
    0.02333940 Greek_Dodecanese_Kasos
    0.02343197 Greek_Crete_Chania
    0.02350558 Greek_Euboea_Central
    0.02417372 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Deep_Mani
    0.02417779 Greek_Crete_East
    0.02423575 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni
    0.02423999 Greek_Cyclades_Paros
    0.02424167 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria
    0.02432012 Greek_Dodecanese_Astypalaia
    0.02445216 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos
    0.02495969 Greek_Cyclades_Andros
    0.02533088 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios
    0.02603490 Greek_Heptanese_Zakynthos
    0.02607971 Greek_Heptanese_Kefalonia
    0.02691419 Greek_Dodecanese_Patmos
    0.02699240 Greek_Dodecanese_Nisyros
    0.02703666 Sicilian
    0.02704827 Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos
    0.02772104 Greek_Dodecanese_Symi_o
    0.02773851 Greek_Euboea_Kymi
    0.02775463 Greek_Western_Anatolia_Balia
    0.02851180 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos
    0.02876718 Greek_Cyclades_Santorini

    Distance to: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS_Dad(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
    0.02510487 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Deep_Mani
    0.02591602 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria
    0.02612964 Greek_Heptanese_Kythira
    0.02622033 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni
    0.02646703 Greek_Cyclades_Paros
    0.02670699 Greek_Crete_East
    0.02693880 Greek_Dodecanese_Astypalaia
    0.02696030 Greek_Crete
    0.02705832 Greek_Crete_Chania
    0.02711277 Greek_Euboea_Central
    0.02765484 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos
    0.02769193 Greek_Cyclades_Andros
    0.02817283 Greek_Peloponnese_Arcadia_Tsakonia
    0.02822789 Greek_Dodecanese_Patmos
    0.02862159 Greek_Heptanese_Kefalonia
    0.02880309 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios
    0.02950868 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos
    0.02971092 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos_o
    0.02989723 Greek_Heptanese_Zakynthos
    0.03006608 Greek_Peloponnese_Arcadia_North_Kynouria
    0.03008081 Greek_Euboea_Kymi
    0.03013128 Greek_Dodecanese_Kasos
    0.03025703 Greek_Western_Anatolia_Balia
    0.03066938 Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos
    0.03110250 Greek_North_Aegean_Thasos

    Distance to: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):YiaYia(Fourni/Ikaria)
    0.02341291 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria
    0.02344179 Greek_Peloponnese_Arcadia_Tsakonia
    0.02356715 Greek_Dodecanese_Astypalaia
    0.02392322 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni
    0.02410545 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Deep_Mani
    0.02415021 Greek_Cyclades_Paros
    0.02432955 Greek_Crete_East
    0.02587726 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos_o
    0.02621920 Greek_Euboea_Central
    0.02626722 Greek_Crete
    0.02637557 Greek_Dodecanese_Patmos
    0.02646088 Greek_Heptanese_Kythira
    0.02680741 Greek_Western_Anatolia_Dardanellia
    0.02682953 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios
    0.02704460 Greek_Crete_Chania
    0.02707547 Greek_Cyclades_Andros
    0.02815672 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos
    0.02840975 Greek_North_Aegean_Thasos
    0.02850535 Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos
    0.02877074 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos
    0.02888618 Greek_Crete_Muslim
    0.02901121 Greek_Cyclades_Santorini
    0.02912426 Greek_Heptanese_Kefalonia
    0.02913285 Greek_Western_Anatolia_Balia
    0.02959369 Greek_Euboea_Kymi

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    Quote Originally Posted by 23abc View Post
    Thanks, I didn't know about these samples. XAL97 is a classic example of the Central Euboean profile, while XAL91 is a classic example of the South Euboean profile. So it looks like that collection of samples have different origins and aren't homogeneous. Without family tree data, the next best thing is analysis of IBD, where it might be possible to see which genetic cluster the kits belong to.
    South Euboeans were excluded from the study regarding Y DNA of Euboea.

    Some villages in both central and northern Euboea had an Arvanite component in 18th or 17th century.

    As for Pascha which plots more like Mainland it was repopulated in 20th century. So that person could descended from recent mainland migrants.

    In coastal zones there was a higher number of Greek Euboeans.

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    Close-up of the Dodecanesians:

     


    Astypalaia is close to Fourni and Mani, overlaps with Crete, Kasos isn't too far while Patmos falls within Samos and Andros (Peloponnesian-like profile). The other islands are pretty much as we'd expect, somewhere between Crete and Cyprus; Nisyros, Kalymnos and Karpathos are most similar to Crete_East while Symi, Rhodes and Kastellorizo are substantially closer to Cyprus.

    Here's what my father gets with the different averages:

     
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    Distance to:	Agamemnon_Dad
    0.02149532	Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Deep_Mani
    0.02269746	Greek_Cyclades_Andros
    0.02384320	Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos
    0.02437665	Greek_Euboea_Central
    0.02483390	Sicilian
    0.02609787	Greek_Dodecanese_Patmos
    0.02610967	Greek_Heptanese_Kythira
    0.02639254	Greek_Heptanese_Zakynthos
    0.02678509	Greek_Crete_Chania
    0.02679880	Greek_Heptanese_Kefalonia
    0.02695669	Greek_Dodecanese_Kasos
    0.02712415	Greek_Crete
    0.02719995	Greek_Western_Anatolia_Balia
    0.02755989	Greek_Cyclades_Paros
    0.02818376	Greek_Western_Anatolia_Kato_Panagia
    0.02825557	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos
    0.02853131	Greek_Dodecanese_Astypalaia
    0.02908357	Greek_Crete_East
    0.02930347	Greek_Western_Anatolia_Alatsata
    0.02945964	Greek_North_Aegean_Samothrace
    0.02956002	Greek_Eastern_Rumelia
    0.02964962	Greek_Dodecanese_Nisyros
    0.03033445	Greek_Euboea_Kymi
    0.03037242	Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni
    0.03055465	Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos
    0.03056120	Maltese
    0.03063286	Greek_Western_Anatolia_Krini
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    Last edited by Agamemnon; 08-20-2022 at 09:47 PM.
    מְכֹרֹתַיִךְ וּמֹלְדֹתַיִךְ מֵאֶרֶץ הַכְּנַעֲנִי אָבִיךְ הָאֱמֹרִי וְאִמֵּךְ חִתִּית
    יחזקאל פרק טז פסוק ג-

    אֲרֵי יִצְרָא לִבָּא דַּאֲנָשָׁא בִּישׁ מִזְּעוּרֵיהּ
    בראשית פרק ח פסוק כא-


    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

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