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    Quote Originally Posted by Yupi View Post
    Any idea from which village(s) are those 6 Central Euboean samples?
    I just remember those two from Chalchis. 23abc would be able to tell you about the details of the others since he researched the trees.


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    Moving on to the North Aegean islands. Some North Aegean islanders are more mainland-shifted than Cretans or Dodecanese, while others are just plain East Med.

    LEMNIANS, SAMOTHRACIANS, & THASIANS
    We look first to a few North Aegeans from the European littoral: two from Lemnos and one each from Samothrace and Thasos. These are hard to come by, and Lemnos002 is actually only 3/4 Lemnian by ancestry (the other 1/4 is Smyrna+Hydra). The Samothracian and Thasian show off the aforementioned mainland shift nicely.

    Code:
    Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos001_K13_sim,0.1089,0.1347,-0.0137,-0.0342,0.0051,-0.0088,-0.0037,-0.0032,-0.0053,0.0173,0.002,0.0005,-0.0055,0.0089,-0.0152,-0.0034,0.0031,-0.0011,-0.0033,-0.0061,-0.0022,0.0038,0.004,-0.0078,-0.0009
    Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos002_K13_sim,0.1101,0.1419,-0.0059,-0.0383,0.0077,-0.0103,-0.0037,-0.0047,-0.0036,0.0167,0.0038,0.0028,-0.0055,0.0035,-0.0127,-0.0001,0.0036,0.0007,0.0021,-0.0053,-0.0005,0.0002,0.0033,-0.0054,0.0028
    Greek_North_Aegean_Samothrace:Samothrace001_K13_sim,0.1161,0.145,0.005,-0.0355,0.0182,-0.0153,0.0003,-0.0009,0.0018,0.0196,0.0042,0.0047,-0.0052,-0.001,-0.0085,-0.0081,-0.0022,0.0008,0.0066,-0.011,-0.0014,0.001,0.0022,0.0028,0
    Greek_North_Aegean_Thasos:Thasos001_K13_sim,0.1117,0.1393,0.0029,-0.0286,0.0166,-0.0073,-0.002,-0.0009,0.002,0.0199,0.0022,0.0016,-0.0062,0.0034,-0.0138,0.0033,0.0135,-0.0018,0.0007,-0.0037,-0.0029,0.003,0.0028,-0.0037,-0.0002
    PCA (sims in aqua):
     


    Basic component modelling & distances:
     


    LESBIANS
    Moving on to the littoral of Asia Minor, we arrive at Lesbos. We found four samples from the island, and you'll notice they have higher steppe compared to Chios and Ikaria.

    Code:
    Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos001_K13_sim,0.1102,0.1438,-0.0049,-0.0392,0.0104,-0.0129,-0.0012,-0.0025,-0.0027,0.0157,0.0026,0.0041,-0.0054,0.0001,-0.0098,-0.0006,0.0032,0.0004,0.0071,-0.0086,-0.0011,-0.0008,0.0017,-0.002,0.001
    Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos002_K13_sim,0.1173,0.1446,-0.0082,-0.0447,0.0069,-0.0137,0.0007,-0.0032,-0.0026,0.0207,0.0008,0.0031,-0.0023,0.0032,-0.0128,0.0007,0.0028,0.0003,-0.0014,-0.0051,-0.0018,0.0019,0.0012,-0.0029,-0.0026
    Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos003_K13_sim,0.1154,0.1396,-0.0047,-0.0415,0.0059,-0.0143,0.0029,-0.0007,0,0.0138,0.0007,0.0035,0.0024,0.003,-0.0087,-0.0024,0.0006,0,-0.0004,-0.0064,-0.002,0.0015,-0.0007,-0.0001,-0.0023
    Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos004_K13_sim,0.1152,0.1359,-0.0121,-0.0384,0.0082,-0.0128,0.0001,-0.0023,-0.0062,0.0147,0.0014,0.0004,-0.0012,0.0012,-0.0096,0.0004,0.0078,0.0006,0.0006,-0.0036,-0.0052,-0.0009,0.0013,0.0008,-0.0018
    PCA (sims in aqua):
     


    Basic component modelling & distances:
     


    CHIANS
    We've been very fortunate to find many individuals who trace all or at least the vast majority of their ancestry to Chios. Based on these individuals, we can safely say Chians are just outright East Med.

    Code:
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    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios005_K13_sim,0.1129,0.1433,-0.0158,-0.05,0.0044,-0.0143,-0.0005,-0.0028,-0.0021,0.0211,0.0028,0.0075,-0.0033,0.0037,-0.0137,-0.0062,0.0042,-0.0035,-0.0024,-0.01,-0.0009,0.0053,-0.0015,-0.0037,-0.0055
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios006_K13_sim,0.1112,0.1472,-0.0169,-0.0476,0.0053,-0.0149,0.0015,-0.0031,-0.006,0.0156,0.002,0.0027,-0.0018,0.003,-0.0129,0.0004,0.0062,0.0014,0.0042,-0.003,-0.0025,0.0032,-0.0012,0.0002,-0.0002
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    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios011_K13_sim,0.1113,0.1473,-0.0111,-0.045,0.0079,-0.0135,0,-0.0027,-0.0047,0.018,0.0009,0.0022,-0.0026,0.0023,-0.0147,0.0041,0.0058,0.0016,0.0045,-0.0019,-0.0027,0.002,0.0002,-0.0014,0.0004
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios012_K13_sim,0.1228,0.1498,-0.0206,-0.0607,-0.0018,-0.0169,0.0025,-0.005,-0.0074,0.0212,0.0042,0.0033,-0.0006,-0.0004,-0.0138,0.0032,0.008,0.0005,0.0017,-0.0029,-0.001,0.0016,0.0014,-0.0013,-0.0019
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios013_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1051,0.147,-0.0127,-0.0376,0.0111,-0.0103,0.0026,-0.0004,-0.0071,0.013,-0.001,0.0018,-0.004,0.0034,-0.0155,0.002,0.0116,0.0011,0.0045,0.0042,-0.0041,0.0027,-0.0027,-0.0004,-0.0018
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios014_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.106,0.1439,-0.0096,-0.0437,0.0092,-0.0152,-0.0007,0.0006,0.0022,0.0158,0.0025,0.0052,-0.0016,0.0015,-0.0101,-0.0041,0.0011,-0.0015,0.0036,-0.0091,-0.0045,-0.0005,0.0009,-0.0027,-0.0004
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios015_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1186,0.1501,-0.0122,-0.0528,0.0049,-0.0162,0.0022,-0.0034,-0.0044,0.0202,0.0009,0.0031,0.001,0.0038,-0.0145,0.0022,0.0057,0.0034,0.0035,-0.0007,-0.0021,0.0022,-0.0015,0.0004,-0.0009
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios016_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1108,0.1436,-0.0216,-0.0498,0.0051,-0.0178,0.0024,0.0003,0.0005,0.0151,0.0073,0.0026,-0.0031,0.0025,-0.0069,-0.0025,0.0064,0.0007,0.0026,-0.0066,-0.0035,-0.0029,0.0044,-0.0008,-0.0013
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios017_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1146,0.1448,-0.0102,-0.0481,0.0065,-0.0144,-0.0009,-0.0015,-0.0017,0.019,0.0003,0.0023,0.001,0.006,-0.0158,-0.0036,0.0007,0.0017,-0.0024,-0.0064,-0.0015,0.0032,0.0002,-0.0011,-0.0013
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios018_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1091,0.1462,-0.0133,-0.0449,0.0056,-0.0168,-0.0013,-0.001,-0.0038,0.0149,0.0051,0,-0.0078,0.0006,-0.0054,0.0043,0.0135,0.0007,0.0059,-0.0001,0.0024,-0.0042,0.0011,-0.0003,-0.001
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios019_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.115,0.1478,-0.0158,-0.0492,0.006,-0.0162,0.0021,-0.0014,-0.0002,0.0173,0.0051,0.0011,-0.0057,0.0018,-0.005,0.0014,0.0096,0.0012,0.0029,-0.0004,0.0012,-0.0024,0.0025,0.0004,-0.0033
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios021_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1081,0.1507,-0.0149,-0.0472,0.009,-0.0138,-0.0008,-0.0028,-0.0066,0.019,0.0022,0.0029,-0.0075,0.0019,-0.0162,0.0023,0.0083,0.0003,0.0067,-0.0007,-0.004,0.002,0,-0.0033,0.001
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios022_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1087,0.1495,-0.0209,-0.0525,0.0081,-0.0155,0.0018,-0.0006,0.0007,0.0164,0.0057,0.0016,-0.0049,0.0026,-0.0091,0.0019,0.0057,0.0017,0.0061,-0.0013,-0.0024,-0.0032,0.0044,-0.0018,-0.0008
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios023_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1122,0.1452,-0.023,-0.0497,-0.0004,-0.0183,0.0002,-0.0035,-0.0086,0.0153,0.0051,0.0031,-0.0052,0.0018,-0.0086,-0.0024,0.01,-0.0003,0.0013,-0.0058,-0.0011,0.0007,-0.0011,0.0006,-0.0011
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios025_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1086,0.1452,-0.0214,-0.0473,0.0025,-0.0227,-0.0019,-0.003,-0.0078,0.0152,0.0053,-0.001,-0.006,0.0006,-0.0062,0.0038,0.0161,0.0006,0.0038,-0.0025,0.0004,-0.0016,-0.0022,0.0029,0.0005
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios026_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1111,0.1477,-0.0204,-0.0512,0.0049,-0.0163,0.0004,-0.0017,-0.0022,0.0171,0.0072,0.0024,-0.0082,0.0002,-0.0056,0.001,0.0105,0.0002,0.0048,-0.0025,0.0012,-0.0037,0.0029,-0.0014,-0.0026
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios027_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1066,0.147,-0.0232,-0.0494,0.0054,-0.0141,0.0015,-0.0033,-0.0063,0.0168,0.0025,0.0052,-0.004,-0.0025,-0.0137,0.0018,0.0138,-0.0013,0.0014,-0.0005,-0.0009,0.0054,-0.0051,0.0018,-0.0023
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios028_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1195,0.1485,-0.0176,-0.0538,0.0008,-0.014,0.0023,-0.005,-0.0065,0.0186,0.0024,0.0044,-0.0008,0.0016,-0.0127,0.0007,0.0049,0.0005,0.0006,-0.0028,-0.0003,0.0053,-0.0017,-0.0003,-0.0033
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios029_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1092,0.1492,-0.0172,-0.0507,0.0048,-0.0186,-0.0014,-0.0014,-0.004,0.0181,0.005,0.0006,-0.0093,0.0006,-0.0074,0.0036,0.015,0.0002,0.0054,0.0003,0.0015,-0.0039,0.0001,-0.0005,-0.0015
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios030_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1122,0.1512,-0.0193,-0.0522,0.0068,-0.0221,0.0012,-0.0001,-0.0023,0.0217,0.0051,0.0015,-0.0103,0.002,-0.0071,0.0008,0.0123,0.0017,0.0047,-0.0005,0.0011,-0.0043,-0.0017,0.0023,-0.0036
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios032_K13_sim,0.1196,0.1471,-0.0108,-0.0473,0.0049,-0.0136,0.0029,-0.0042,-0.004,0.0169,0.0015,0.0034,-0.0009,0.0017,-0.0097,-0.0001,0.0033,0.0012,0.0016,-0.0041,-0.0002,0.003,-0.0006,0,-0.0025
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios033_K13_sim,0.1115,0.149,-0.0139,-0.0464,0.0078,-0.0165,0.0003,-0.0008,-0.0019,0.0166,0.0049,0.0003,-0.0083,0.0016,-0.0059,0.0033,0.0134,0.0004,0.0047,0.001,0.0009,-0.0042,0.0014,-0.0016,-0.0017
    Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios035_K13_sim,0.1177,0.1459,-0.0106,-0.0437,-0.0001,-0.0138,-0.0008,-0.0067,-0.0076,0.0138,0.0026,0.0008,-0.0034,0.0037,-0.0103,-0.0003,0.0024,0.0013,-0.0011,-0.0008,-0.0014,0.0018,0.0003,-0.0015,-0.0003
    PCA (sims in aqua):
     


    Basic component modelling:
     


    Distances:
     


    IKARIANS
    Directly south of Chios is the island of Ikaria. Like the Chians, the Ikarians fall squarely in the core East Med zone.

    Code:
    Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria001_K13_sim,0.1246,0.1526,-0.0082,-0.0589,0.0051,-0.0215,0.0013,-0.0053,-0.0043,0.0288,0.0021,0.0065,-0.0001,0.0034,-0.0149,0.0012,0.009,0.0047,0.0073,-0.0016,-0.0027,-0.0019,-0.0035,-0.0003,-0.0015
    Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria002_K13_sim,0.1094,0.147,-0.0227,-0.049,0.0048,-0.0194,-0.0001,-0.0029,-0.0059,0.0171,0.004,0.0013,-0.0058,0.0013,-0.0106,-0.0002,0.0134,0.0011,0.0037,-0.0028,-0.0031,-0.0003,-0.0005,0.0013,0.0002
    Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria003_K13_sim,0.1138,0.151,-0.0111,-0.0496,0.0103,-0.0209,0.0007,-0.0012,0.0001,0.0235,0.0051,0.0034,-0.0077,0.0017,-0.006,0.0008,0.0162,0.0025,0.0077,0.0014,0.0004,-0.0071,-0.0016,-0.0013,-0.0029
    Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria004_K13_sim,0.1147,0.1454,-0.0138,-0.0461,0.0062,-0.0149,0.0013,-0.0031,-0.0045,0.0163,0.0014,0.0011,0,0.0039,-0.0119,0.0011,0.0051,0.0017,0.0023,-0.0031,-0.0029,0.002,0,0,-0.0006
    Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria006_K13_sim,0.111,0.145,-0.0094,-0.0416,0.0069,-0.0201,-0.0015,-0.0014,-0.0003,0.0164,0.002,-0.0014,-0.0017,0.0007,-0.0043,0.0065,0.0143,-0.0001,0.0023,0.0002,0,-0.0013,-0.0027,0.0028,-0.0012
    Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria007_K13_sim,0.113,0.1465,-0.0169,-0.0476,0.0054,-0.0146,0.0019,-0.0017,-0.0019,0.0172,0.0017,0.0012,0.0004,0.0019,-0.0122,0.0038,0.009,0.001,0.0026,0,-0.003,0.0013,0.0001,0.0003,-0.0006
    PCA (sims in aqua):
     


    Basic component modelling & distances:
     


    FOURNIOTES
    The island of Fourni rests between Ikaria and Samos. We found a few kits strongly suggesting roots in Fourni, though we aren't entirely confident all of their ancestry is from the island. Still, probably better than nothing:

    Code:
    Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni1_K13_sim,0.112,0.1461,0.0003,-0.0397,0.0118,-0.0125,-0.0005,-0.0025,0.0023,0.0185,0.002,0.0047,-0.0035,0.0014,-0.0087,-0.0013,0.0065,0.0004,0.0007,-0.0039,0.0004,-0.0006,-0.0008,-0.0021,-0.0002
    Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni2_K13_sim,0.1126,0.1502,0.0007,-0.0455,0.0131,-0.0159,-0.0011,-0.0043,0.004,0.0203,0.0023,0.0027,-0.0043,-0.0018,-0.0065,0.0013,0.0067,0.0016,0.0029,-0.0004,0.0013,-0.0017,-0.0022,0.0009,0
    Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni3_K13_sim,0.1174,0.1499,-0.0028,-0.0419,0.0094,-0.0133,0.0006,-0.0042,-0.0016,0.0192,0.0014,0.0021,-0.002,0.0009,-0.0084,-0.0001,0.0019,0.001,-0.0005,-0.0026,-0.0031,0.0012,0.0001,0.0002,-0.0021
    Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni4_K13_sim,0.1097,0.1487,-0.0064,-0.0432,0.0114,-0.0214,-0.0029,-0.001,-0.0011,0.0224,0.0042,0.0028,-0.0088,-0.0011,-0.0061,0.0004,0.0179,0.0005,0.0035,0.0013,0.0034,-0.0014,-0.0058,0.0013,-0.0032
    Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni5_K13_sim,0.1125,0.1499,-0.0013,-0.0402,0.0139,-0.0197,-0.0006,-0.0016,-0.0014,0.0198,0.0018,0.0012,-0.0102,-0.0022,-0.0065,0.0018,0.0146,0.0013,0.0041,-0.0021,0.0009,0.0001,-0.0039,0.0009,-0.0035
    PCA (sims in aqua):
     


    Basic component modelling & distances:
     


    SAMIANS
    Finally we arrive at Samos, which is clearly different from its insular neighbors in boasting more steppe ancestry. I believe this probably has something to do with strong Samian connections (indicative of gene flow) to Western Anatolia, where stronger Balkan ancestry than found in most of the Aegean is commonly observed.

    Code:
    Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos001_K13_sim,0.1072,0.1442,-0.0033,-0.0362,0.0113,-0.0142,0.0019,0.0011,0.0044,0.0156,-0.0013,0.0073,-0.0007,0.0012,-0.0083,-0.0117,-0.0047,-0.0028,-0.0014,-0.0108,-0.0071,0.0018,-0.0021,-0.002,-0.0033
    Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos002_K13_sim,0.1143,0.1487,0.0001,-0.0281,0.0197,-0.0129,-0.0008,-0.0015,0.0005,0.0158,-0.0006,0.0051,-0.0081,0.0033,-0.0081,-0.0048,0.0024,0.0023,0.0012,-0.007,-0.0048,0.0023,0.0025,0.0005,-0.0031
    Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos003_K13_sim,0.1166,0.1432,-0.0002,-0.0268,0.011,-0.009,-0.0009,-0.002,0.0001,0.0159,0.0006,0.0031,-0.0051,-0.0027,-0.0077,0.0003,0.013,-0.0012,-0.0032,-0.004,-0.0042,-0.0008,0.0018,0.0002,0.0002
    Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos004_K13_sim,0.1182,0.1472,0.0087,-0.0282,0.0182,-0.0062,0.0003,-0.0033,0.0037,0.0171,0.001,0.0042,-0.0041,-0.0011,-0.0084,0.0003,0.0086,0.0009,0.0014,-0.0038,-0.0032,-0.002,0.0017,-0.0006,0.0025
    Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos005_K13_sim,0.1164,0.1425,0.006,-0.0222,0.0192,-0.0065,-0.0009,-0.0001,0.0026,0.0148,0.002,0.0017,-0.0069,0.0022,-0.0112,0.0006,0.0095,-0.001,0.0016,-0.0063,-0.004,0.0018,0.0018,-0.0015,0.0001
    Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos006_K13_sim,0.1154,0.1418,0.008,-0.026,0.0189,-0.007,-0.0015,-0.0015,0.0024,0.0162,0.0011,0.0017,-0.0026,0.0045,-0.0127,0.0033,0.009,-0.0011,0.0001,-0.0058,-0.0039,0.0009,0.0016,-0.0039,0.0007
    Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos007_K13_sim,0.1165,0.1516,-0.0029,-0.0425,0.0148,-0.0169,0.0007,-0.0029,-0.0011,0.0253,0.0019,0.0045,-0.0081,0.0015,-0.0112,-0.0038,0.0068,0.0012,0.0055,-0.0031,-0.0046,-0.0021,-0.001,-0.0017,-0.002
    Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos008_FA5266432_Mary_Bresenhan_K13_sim,0.1136,0.1442,-0.0002,-0.0348,0.0152,-0.0156,-0.0024,-0.0019,0.0018,0.0241,0.0012,0.001,-0.0094,0.0011,-0.0098,0.0027,0.016,0.0002,0.002,0.0001,0.0013,0.0027,-0.0009,0.0005,-0.002
    Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos010_FJ7561964_Steve_K13_sim,0.1163,0.1447,0.0055,-0.0372,0.0178,-0.0123,0.0006,-0.001,0.0044,0.0246,0.0016,0.0035,-0.0065,-0.0011,-0.013,0.0004,0.0073,0.0022,0.0032,-0.0051,-0.003,0.0028,0.0011,-0.0023,-0.0009
    Greek_North_Aegean_Samos_o:Samos009_K13_sim,0.1102,0.1458,-0.0105,-0.0431,0.0068,-0.0189,-0.0005,-0.0024,-0.0019,0.0146,0.003,-0.0007,-0.0057,0.0004,-0.003,0.0023,0.0141,0.0005,0.0031,0,0.0029,-0.0021,-0.0024,0.0022,-0.0032
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    this dataset includes autosomal data for Corinth(labeled as K and KOR), and Chalkida on Euboea(XAL). I don't think it was mentioned yet.

    https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/ckz9mtgrjj/4

    their y-dna was analyzed in this study:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2015124

    Code:
    Greek:K28,18.82,15.60,20.57,10.38,28.66,4.65,0.00, 0.00,1.23,0.07,0.01,0.00,0.00
    Greek:K29,16.45,16.55,21.92,13.81,27.40,3.01,0.00, 0.22,0.00,0.00,0.65,0.00,0.00
    Greek:K30,19.00,13.74,22.26,15.85,25.98,2.88,0.00, 0.00,0.14,0.14,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Greek:KOR22,20.98,16.25,21.12,10.04,27.80,3.21,0.0 0,0.00,0.31,0.00,0.30,0.00,0.00
    Greek:KOR24,15.65,16.37,22.93,13.16,27.83,1.79,0.2 9,0.11,0.45,0.00,0.94,0.00,0.48
    Greek:KOR29,18.07,15.58,24.99,12.41,24.47,3.22,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,1.25,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Greek:KOR30,19.81,17.90,19.07,13.79,26.17,1.73,0.0 0,1.01,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.52,0.00
    Greek:KOR31,17.55,12.87,20.19,14.79,26.91,6.58,0.0 0,0.00,0.50,0.61,0.00,0.00,0.00
    
    Greek:XAL90,18.70,17.78,22.61,11.99,24.54,3.24,0.7 7,0.00,0.00,0.05,0.32,0.00,0.00
    Greek:XAL91,20.71,13.26,21.87,14.03,23.85,5.48,0.0 0,0.00,0.05,0.00,0.26,0.50,0.00
    Greek:XAL92,15.95,14.31,21.18,13.61,28.64,4.95,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.59,0.76,0.00,0.00
    Greek:XAL93,17.91,17.57,20.38,12.85,24.09,4.43,0.0 0,0.60,0.93,0.24,0.99,0.00,0.00
    Greek:XAL94,20.13,15.68,21.69,11.03,26.01,3.90,0.1 1,1.46,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Greek:XAL95,12.39,9.94,23.06,16.63,30.07,5.31,0.04 ,0.49,0.84,0.00,0.35,0.88,0.00
    Greek:XAL96,13.12,10.54,18.94,24.12,28.99,3.45,0.1 4,0.00,0.43,0.00,0.26,0.00,0.00
    Greek:XAL97,15.54,9.61,19.02,15.54,33.57,5.96,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.76,0.00,0.00
    Greek:XAL98,15.57,17.34,24.52,14.06,24.62,2.93,0.0 0,0.62,0.00,0.00,0.33,0.00,0.00
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    Amazing work Michalis, as always!

    Just wanted to say that Samos has more steppe ancestry, as it was completely uninhabited until the 16th century. It was then repopulated from the nearby islands and West Asian coast, but also from Peloponnesians and Macedonians - hence the northward pull.
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    These sims on my map:

    Greek Chios sim:
     
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    Thank you so much, Michalis! Great work, as always.

    Distance to: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
    0.02190315 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios017_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02241899 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios011_K13_sim
    0.02262697 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria004_K13_sim
    0.02321228 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios001_K13_sim
    0.02337519 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria007_K13_sim
    0.02378196 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios015_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02379811 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni3_K13_sim
    0.02425359 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni1_K13_sim
    0.02429579 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios006_K13_sim
    0.02458935 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos002_K13_sim
    0.02494740 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni2_K13_sim
    0.02526959 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios032_K13_sim
    0.02572835 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios013_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02573222 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios014_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02579855 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos007_K13_sim
    0.02582493 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos003_K13_sim
    0.02598913 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios021_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02717026 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos001_K13_sim
    0.02787247 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos004_K13_sim
    0.02800650 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria006_K13_sim
    0.02822467 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios019_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02844502 Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos002_K13_sim
    0.02877576 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos010_FJ7561964_Steve_ K13_sim
    0.02883501 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios033_K13_sim
    0.02884942 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni5_K13_sim

    Distance to: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):YiaYia(Fourni/Ikaria)
    0.02244973 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria006_K13_sim
    0.02296596 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios007_K13_sim
    0.02360601 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni4_K13_sim
    0.02383317 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos008_FA5266432_Mary_B resenhan_K13_sim
    0.02384796 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni5_K13_sim
    0.02429924 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria003_K13_sim
    0.02496802 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria007_K13_sim
    0.02511252 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios011_K13_sim
    0.02528939 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios033_K13_sim
    0.02530107 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios013_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02587726 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos_o:Samos009_K13_sim
    0.02635664 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni1_K13_sim
    0.02663879 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios018_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02688376 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni2_K13_sim
    0.02698874 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos007_K13_sim
    0.02713196 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios021_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02759822 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios002_K13_sim
    0.02783282 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria004_K13_sim
    0.02791856 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos010_FJ7561964_Steve_ K13_sim
    0.02814224 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios029_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02840975 Greek_North_Aegean_Thasos:Thasos001_K13_sim
    0.02860204 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios009_K13_sim
    0.02865771 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos004_K13_sim
    0.02880928 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios019_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02894010 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios010_K13_sim

    Distance to: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS_Dad(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
    0.02561217 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria007_K13_sim
    0.02565694 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios011_K13_sim
    0.02640386 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria006_K13_sim
    0.02674421 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni1_K13_sim
    0.02692485 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria004_K13_sim
    0.02697342 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios013_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02724032 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni2_K13_sim
    0.02774145 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios015_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02833028 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios007_K13_sim
    0.02833923 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni3_K13_sim
    0.02865127 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios001_K13_sim
    0.02881676 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos007_K13_sim
    0.02885590 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos002_K13_sim
    0.02886006 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios017_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02891931 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos008_FA5266432_Mary_B resenhan_K13_sim
    0.02896970 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos003_K13_sim
    0.02907971 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni5_K13_sim
    0.02909918 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos010_FJ7561964_Steve_ K13_sim
    0.02920886 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios006_K13_sim
    0.02921783 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos004_K13_sim
    0.02959357 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios033_K13_sim
    0.02971092 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos_o:Samos009_K13_sim
    0.02974558 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios014_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02978552 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios021_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03009441 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria003_K13_sim

    To me Chios is the "outlier" based on history. I would expect Ikaria to retain the 'typical' East Med. profile because the island was never depopulated. Likewise, Samos, Fourni, Lesbos and the others have had major repopulation events in the last few 100 years and both genetics and family histories/genealogies show that the northern shift is expected. Both why not on Chios? XXD has always said the island was repopulated by the refugees moving back to the island. Do you feel this data is confirmation of that?

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    Most Chian surnames that were recorded prior to the massacre still survive on the island, so I suspect that its repopulation by largely the same people is the reason why it is still East Med. Also, we should not forget that Chios was so populous that it acted largely as a source, rather than a sink. Most Greeks from Constantinople and Smyrna have heavy Chian admix, that likely dates to both prior and post massacre times.

    Many of the Cycladic islands were abandoned at one time or another, but were nearly always repopulated by neighbouring islanders. So perhaps one does not have continuity at the island level, but on the regional level (i.e. Cyclades). The same may have happened for various islands of the North Aegean and the Dodecanese (with the exception of Rhodos, obviously).
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXD View Post
    Most Chian surnames that were recorded prior to the massacre still survive on the island, so I suspect that its repopulation by largely the same people is the reason why it is still East Med. Also, we should not forget that Chios was so populous that it acted largely as a source, rather than a sink. Most Greeks from Constantinople and Smyrna have heavy Chian admix, that likely dates to both prior and post massacre times.

    Many of the Cycladic islands were abandoned at one time or another, but were nearly always repopulated by neighbouring islanders. So perhaps one does not have continuity at the island level, but on the regional level (i.e. Cyclades). The same may have happened for various islands of the North Aegean and the Dodecanese (with the exception of Rhodos, obviously).
    It is interesting. We have discussed source vs. sink for NE Aegean islands and Smyrna itself for awhile now, and think we finally have some answers. I read that there was a significant Genoese Italian speaking population before the massacre, but it doesn't seem like any evidence of either a shift in that direction among the current population, or a separate population of these people. Any knowledge of what happened to them?

    I know for Fourni, you are talking about a post 1820 repopulation event, meaning clear IBD sharing with other islands is evident even among your 4/4 grandparent folks. Family genealogies also frequently include the names of other places where their ancestors moved from, and not all are islands. I think Syros had a massive population influx at the same time, but for a very different reason (commerce, not subsistence living) and I am interested to see if we have any samples from that island to indicate a different genetic profile of the population who migrated there.

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    Chios, Lesbos and Lemnos overlap completely with Crete, if I had to guess the latter are more similar to Western and Central Crete. The Ikariotes are in-between the Maniots and the Cretans, there's not much difference with Chios either. Fourni overlaps strongly with the Maniots and the Southern Tsakonians, meanwhile Samos is firmly Peloponnesian albeit slightly shifted towards the East Med. I'm not sure any of this directly supports or contradicts Chios' resettlement from neighbouring islands.

    The Fourniotes seem to be more "Italian-like" within the East Med continuum, much like the Maniots and the Tsakonians, and are therefore closer to the LBA-IA Greeks on the PCA. Lesbos and Lemnos are artificially similar to Eastern Ashkenazim, this probably has to do with elevated steppe ancestry (possibly mediated via Slavic admixture), here are the distances for my father example:

     
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    Distance to:	Agamemnon_Dad
    0.02249830	Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos003_K13_sim
    0.02327396	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios014_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02515861	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos001_K13_sim
    0.02546978	Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos004_K13_sim
    0.02663139	Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos001_K13_sim
    0.02727847	Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni1_K13_sim
    0.02740118	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios003_K13_sim
    0.02762582	Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni3_K13_sim
    0.02837089	Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos002_K13_sim
    0.02903540	Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria004_K13_sim
    0.02945964	Greek_North_Aegean_Samothrace:Samothrace001_K13_sim
    0.02951832	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios017_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02957421	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos003_K13_sim
    0.02962885	Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos002_K13_sim
    0.03016120	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios016_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03030331	Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria006_K13_sim
    0.03044095	Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria007_K13_sim
    0.03055219	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios032_K13_sim
    0.03058203	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos002_K13_sim
    0.03062624	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios011_K13_sim
    0.03066988	Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni2_K13_sim
    0.03086034	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios001_K13_sim
    0.03101425	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos010_FJ7561964_Steve_K13_sim
    0.03231182	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios006_K13_sim
    0.03251799	Greek_North_Aegean_Thasos:Thasos001_K13_sim
    0.03258703	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios019_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03270843	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos_o:Samos009_K13_sim
    0.03343313	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios005_K13_sim
    0.03352581	Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos001_K13_sim
    0.03355567	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios010_K13_sim
    0.03379739	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios035_K13_sim
    0.03381813	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos006_K13_sim
    0.03389355	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos004_K13_sim
    0.03407200	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios022_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03412553	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos008_FA5266432_Mary_Bresenhan_K13_sim
    0.03433739	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios007_K13_sim
    0.03434991	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos005_K13_sim
    0.03456796	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos007_K13_sim
    0.03508877	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios018_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03525974	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios013_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03528893	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios033_K13_sim
    0.03537751	Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni5_K13_sim
    0.03636776	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios015_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03647394	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios026_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03684889	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios021_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03699409	Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria002_K13_sim
    0.03734913	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios009_K13_sim
    0.03809065	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios028_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03810487	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios023_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03836179	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios027_lowsnp_K13_sim
    Last edited by Agamemnon; 08-17-2022 at 09:29 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bce View Post
    @Michalis Moriopoulos

    this dataset includes autosomal data for Corinth(labeled as K and KOR), and Chalkida on Euboea(XAL). I don't think it was mentioned yet.
    Thanks, I didn't know about these samples. XAL97 is a classic example of the Central Euboean profile, while XAL91 is a classic example of the South Euboean profile. So it looks like that collection of samples have different origins and aren't homogeneous. Without family tree data, the next best thing is analysis of IBD, where it might be possible to see which genetic cluster the kits belong to.
    Code:
    23abc_AncestryDNA_scaled,0.110408,0.151314,-0.0290383,-0.0507112,0.0018465,-0.0156179,-0.00305514,-0.00138456,-0.00899905,0.00911181,0.00243583,-0.00149867,-0.00431116,0.00344057,-0.00773606,0.00106072,0.00195576,0.00152026,0.00251396,-0.00550264,-0.00786113,-0.00197844,0.0025882,0.00168699,0.000957998

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    Albania
    Distance to: Zanatis
    0.00550999 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia:Laconia016_K13_sim
    0.00639062 Greek_Central_Greece_Boeotia:Kyriaki001_ML_lowsnp_ K13_sim
    0.00719756 Korēė
    0.00794984 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina020_VG_K13_sim
    0.00877211 Greek_Epirus:Epirus007_K13_sim
    0.00900389 Greek_Epirus:Epirus003_K13_sim
    0.00909120 Greek_Epirus:Epirus004_K13_sim
    0.00925743 Greek_Epirus:Epirus008_K13_sim
    0.00948578 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina015_KB_K13_sim
    0.00983921 Greek_Peloponnese_Messenia:Messenia001_K13_sim
    0.00986592 Tropojė-Gjakovė
    0.00991080 Northwestern_Albania
    0.01012176 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina004_K13_sim
    0.01012176 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina023_K13_sim
    0.01064566 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina003_K13_sim
    0.01064566 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina022_K13_sim
    0.01079305 Greek_Central_Greece_Boeotia:Kyriaki002_NP_lowsnp_ K13_sim
    0.01118123 Greek_Macedonia:Macedonia005_K13_sim
    0.01125789 Greek_Central_Macedonia:Central_Macedonia004_K13_s im
    0.01127952 Pukė
    0.01137937 Greek_Peloponnese_Arcadia:Arcadia005_K13_sim
    0.01140307 Greek_Western_Macedonia:West_Macedonia002_lowsnp_K 13_sim
    0.01147650 Dibra
    0.01172220 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina017_MG_K13_sim
    0.01192857 Albanians_in_Montenegro
    0.01205819 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Eurotas:Karitsa005_DEK_K 13_sim
    0.01232761 Greek_Central_Greece_Phocisorida005_WK_K13_sim
    0.01279609 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina012_AB_K13_sim
    0.01282069 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Eurotas:Karitsa002_DM_K1 3_sim
    0.01284601 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina005_KT_K13_sim
    0.01339776 Greek_Central_Greece_Boeotia:Kyriaki005_KP_lowsnp_ K13_sim
    0.01348258 Greek_Western_Macedonia:West_Macedonia003_K13_sim
    0.01349794 Labėria
    0.01358676 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia:Laconia003_K13_sim
    0.01377861 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina016_MK_K13_sim
    0.01387552 Greek_Western_Greece_Aetolia-Acarnania:Nafpaktia001_NTK_K13_sim
    0.01433004 Greek_Epirus:Epirus006_K13_sim
    0.01448793 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina001_MP_K13_sim
    0.01449759 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina002_PP_K13_sim
    0.01464206 Greek_Macedonia:Macedonia001_K13_sim
    0.01472583 Macedonian_Greece_Florina:Florina009_SD_K13_sim
    0.01473872 Greek_Peloponnese_Elis:Elis003_K13_sim
    0.01475940 Greek_Thessaly:Thessaly004_K13_sim
    0.01478580 Greek_Peloponnese_Achaea:Achaea004_K13_sim
    0.01488926 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Eurotas:Karitsa006_KSM_K 13_sim


    Distance to: Zanatis
    0.02088516 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos005_K13_sim
    0.02332745 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos006_K13_sim
    0.02334052 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos004_K13_sim
    0.03021771 Greek_North_Aegean_Thasos:Thasos001_K13_sim
    0.03198015 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos003_K13_sim
    0.03334007 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos002_K13_sim
    0.03515238 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos010_FJ7561964_Steve_ K13_sim
    0.03902269 Greek_North_Aegean_Samothrace:Samothrace001_K13_si m
    0.03983893 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos008_FA5266432_Mary_B resenhan_K13_sim
    0.04100817 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni1_K13_sim
    0.04449393 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos001_K13_sim
    0.04505042 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni3_K13_sim
    0.04522709 Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos002_K13_sim
    0.04589542 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos007_K13_sim
    0.04592766 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni5_K13_sim
    0.04659764 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni2_K13_sim
    0.04798562 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos001_K13_sim
    0.04812068 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos003_K13_sim
    0.04836900 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos004_K13_sim
    0.04899612 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios013_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.05041428 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos002_K13_sim
    0.05164359 Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos001_K13_sim
    0.05172611 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios011_K13_sim
    0.05232504 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios014_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.05272134 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria006_K13_sim

    Btw Michalis, did you update your Albanian database? I find the samples are not very representative for me personally. As a North Western Albanian, I'm a closer match to Akarnania/Aetolia, West Greek, etc. than to North Albanians.
    Last edited by Zanatis; 08-17-2022 at 09:14 PM.

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