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    Quote Originally Posted by bce View Post
    @Michalis Moriopoulos

    this dataset includes autosomal data for Corinth(labeled as K and KOR), and Chalkida on Euboea(XAL). I don't think it was mentioned yet.
    Interesting. Didn't know about these. Will have to look into them more deeply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greekscholar View Post
    Do you feel this data is confirmation of that?
    I think there's been more movement throughout history than people realize, so I try not to assume any population is static. But yeah, I think instances of repopulation of some islands might indeed have occurred from neighboring islanders that were already similar to the original population anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zanatis View Post
    Btw Michalis, did you update your Albanian database? I find the samples are not very representative for me personally. As a North Western Albanian, I'm a closer match to Akarnania/Aetolia, West Greek, etc. than to North Albanians.
    I do have the new Albanian averages but I haven't incorporated them into the spreadsheet I'm running for these Greek sims yet (which is why you don't see them). After I'm done with these sims I'll get around to putting them in there, and they'll be in my next public averages update whenever I get around to posting that (some time after Southern Arc).

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    Next we'll look at the Cyclades and Crete!

    CYCLADIANS
    Like the North Aegean, we currently don't have any real Cycladian G25 coords-- not even private ones, so collecting these was definitely of utmost interest for our project. There aren't too many out there yet, but enough exist to get a good idea of what the region is like generally. Below are seven individuals from Andros, one from Naxos, two from Paros, and one from Santorini (Thera/Thira). We should also be getting real Cycladian coords soon, presumably in the Danubian limes study's final publication. The Andros samples have the widest spread (dipping a bit into the transitional zone between East and Central Meds), but this might just be an artifact of that set having the most samples. The others are core East Meds.

    Code:
    Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros001_K13_sim,0.1069,0.1481,-0.007,-0.0453,0.011,-0.0157,-0.0015,-0.0068,0.0034,0.0204,0.0019,0.0037,-0.0063,-0.0028,-0.0046,0.0021,0.007,-0.0013,0.0021,-0.0029,-0.0045,-0.0007,0.0017,0.0019,-0.0027
    Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros002_K13_sim,0.1086,0.136,-0.011,-0.0412,0.0094,-0.0172,-0.003,-0.0034,0.0022,0.02,0.0026,0.0006,-0.0011,0.0053,-0.0107,0.0019,0.0071,-0.0004,0.0004,-0.0053,-0.0031,0.0007,0.0015,0,-0.0005
    Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros003_K13_sim,0.1031,0.1409,-0.0113,-0.0483,0.0093,-0.0162,-0.0065,-0.0046,0.0029,0.0192,0.0023,0.0046,-0.0052,0.0024,-0.0129,-0.0026,0,-0.0019,-0.0026,-0.0063,-0.0015,0.0031,0,0.0007,0.0004
    Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros004_K13_sim,0.1126,0.1441,0,-0.0301,0.0106,-0.0106,-0.0004,-0.0047,-0.0003,0.0146,0.0045,0.0043,-0.0063,-0.0025,-0.0065,0.0032,0.0095,0.002,0.0015,-0.0005,-0.0033,0.0029,0.0014,0.0023,0.0014
    Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros005_K13_sim,0.1126,0.1461,-0.0002,-0.0364,0.0137,-0.0155,-0.0015,-0.003,-0.0009,0.0204,0.0034,0.0031,-0.0065,-0.0023,-0.0089,-0.0016,-0.0007,0.0016,0.0041,-0.0068,-0.0033,-0.0005,0.0023,0.0009,0
    Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros006_K13_sim,0.1103,0.1447,0.0044,-0.0372,0.0146,-0.0109,0.0011,-0.0012,0.0063,0.017,0.0016,0.0082,-0.0011,0.0007,-0.0087,-0.0055,0.0008,-0.0001,-0.0001,-0.0075,-0.0016,-0.0006,-0.0011,-0.0027,0.0002
    Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros007_K13_sim,0.1098,0.1426,-0.0066,-0.0387,0.0117,-0.0149,-0.0031,-0.0019,-0.0007,0.0203,0.0009,0.0009,-0.0076,0.0042,-0.0091,-0.0005,0.0107,-0.001,0.0007,-0.0024,0.0019,0.0005,-0.0005,-0.0023,-0.0034
    Greek_Cyclades_Naxos:Naxos001_K13_sim,0.1088,0.137,-0.0099,-0.0411,0.0099,-0.012,-0.0059,-0.0041,-0.002,0.0232,0.0024,0.0019,-0.006,0.0073,-0.0169,0.001,0.008,-0.0013,0.0002,-0.0066,-0.0017,0.0037,0.0037,-0.0067,-0.0006
    Greek_Cyclades_Paros:Paros001_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.107,0.1439,-0.0078,-0.0412,0.0091,-0.0127,-0.0034,-0.0021,-0.0054,0.0161,0.0034,0.0037,-0.0057,0.0002,-0.0138,0.0028,0.0053,0.0006,0.0096,-0.007,-0.0017,-0.0001,0.0022,-0.0028,0.003
    Greek_Cyclades_Paros:Paros002_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1111,0.1448,-0.0046,-0.0383,0.0122,-0.0171,0.0005,-0.0016,0.0006,0.0179,-0.0004,0.0039,-0.0056,0.0002,-0.0094,-0.0033,0.011,-0.0009,0.0022,-0.0049,-0.0015,-0.0001,-0.0032,0.0008,-0.0032
    Greek_Cyclades_Santorini:Santorini001_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1134,0.1452,-0.012,-0.0498,0.0027,-0.017,-0.0033,-0.0073,-0.0057,0.017,0.0023,0.0024,-0.0061,0.0006,-0.0105,0.0039,0.0116,0.0003,0.0012,0.0014,0.0009,0.0016,-0.0019,0.0017,0.0002
    PCA (Andriot sims in aqua, Naxiot sim in light green, Parian sims in orange, Theran sim in violet):
     


    Basic component modelling & distances:
     


    CRETANS
    There are plenty of real Cretan coords in the G25 already, but we couldn't resist looking for some more kits to supplement them. Below are a few generic Cretans, some from Chania, several from the east of the island, and two people of Cretan Muslim descent. And, yes, we looked for Sfakians, but couldn't find any. Not that I expect them to be too different from other Cretans anyway. There does seem to be a difference between Western and Eastern Crete, with the latter pulled closer to the West Asian side of the Med continuum than the former (represented by Chania).

    Code:
    Greek_Crete:Crete001_K13_sim,0.1053,0.1437,-0.0094,-0.0388,0.0113,-0.0148,0.002,-0.0005,0.0034,0.015,-0.0009,0.0041,0.0007,-0.0049,-0.0062,-0.0057,0.0013,-0.002,-0.0006,-0.0047,-0.007,0.0021,-0.0032,0.0012,-0.0002
    Greek_Crete:Crete002_K13_sim,0.1083,0.1496,-0.0201,-0.0491,0.0116,-0.0171,0.0021,0.0002,0.0016,0.0177,0.0035,0.0013,-0.0029,0.0021,-0.0102,0.0037,0.0093,0.0013,0.0054,0,-0.003,-0.0007,0.0016,0.0004,-0.0017
    Greek_Crete:Crete003_K13_sim,0.1119,0.1452,-0.0115,-0.0448,0.0074,-0.0139,0.0005,-0.0029,-0.003,0.0151,0.0035,0.0021,-0.0043,0.0005,-0.0083,0.0014,0.004,0.0016,0.0066,-0.0063,-0.0007,-0.0017,0.0031,-0.0012,0.0008
    Greek_Crete:Crete004_K13_sim,0.1215,0.1487,-0.0178,-0.0589,-0.0004,-0.0167,0.0016,-0.0046,-0.0065,0.0192,0.0038,0.0027,0.0009,-0.0005,-0.0137,0.0046,0.0075,0.0014,0.0014,-0.0019,-0.0009,0.0013,0.0018,0.0005,0.0002
    Greek_Crete:Crete005_K13_sim,0.1083,0.1441,-0.0121,-0.0456,0.0078,-0.0171,0.0016,0.002,0.0014,0.0178,0.0017,0.0077,-0.001,0.0056,-0.0138,-0.0085,-0.0005,-0.0022,-0.0009,-0.013,-0.0045,0.0029,-0.0034,-0.0013,-0.0034
    Greek_Crete:Crete006_K13_sim,0.1103,0.1478,-0.0147,-0.0456,0.0051,-0.0189,0,-0.0003,-0.0023,0.015,0.0048,-0.0011,-0.0087,0.0011,-0.0017,0.0038,0.018,0.0003,0.0033,0.003,0.0038,-0.0053,-0.0008,0.0014,-0.0036
    Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania001_K13_sim,0.115,0.1458,-0.0141,-0.0456,0.0083,-0.0116,-0.0015,-0.0061,-0.0031,0.0198,0.0054,0.0054,-0.0098,-0.0001,-0.0107,-0.0025,0.009,-0.0011,0.0041,-0.0051,-0.0019,0.0007,0.0019,-0.0022,-0.0026
    Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania002_K13_sim,0.1095,0.1402,-0.0036,-0.0345,0.0147,-0.0126,-0.0006,0.0008,0.0016,0.0174,-0.001,0.0036,-0.002,0.0045,-0.0112,-0.0056,0.0045,-0.0021,-0.0002,-0.008,-0.0046,0.0002,-0.0004,-0.0022,-0.0047
    Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania003_K13_sim,0.1095,0.1386,-0.0101,-0.0363,0.0153,-0.0142,-0.002,-0.0004,-0.0007,0.0183,-0.0004,-0.0004,-0.0017,0.0032,-0.0129,-0.0009,0.0079,-0.0009,0,-0.0049,-0.0064,-0.0022,0.0015,-0.0018,-0.0031
    Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania004_K13_sim,0.1193,0.1451,-0.0128,-0.0472,-0.0018,-0.0149,0.0005,-0.004,-0.0079,0.0146,0.0028,0.0021,-0.0016,0.001,-0.009,0.0043,0.0079,0.0014,0.001,-0.0015,0.002,0.0019,-0.0019,-0.0004,-0.0021
    Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania005_K13_sim,0.121,0.1482,-0.0097,-0.0476,0.0035,-0.0126,0.0036,-0.0031,-0.0056,0.0154,0.0004,0.0019,0.003,0.0037,-0.0123,0.0048,0.0033,0.0024,0.0011,0.0004,0,0.0039,-0.0009,-0.0023,-0.0009
    Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania006_K13_sim,0.1194,0.1443,-0.0083,-0.0422,0.0031,-0.0121,0.0026,-0.0027,-0.0047,0.0129,0.0007,0.0028,0.0015,0.004,-0.0108,-0.0023,-0.0007,0.0011,-0.0009,-0.0051,-0.0024,0.0023,0.0006,-0.0009,-0.0019
    Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East002_K13_sim,0.1165,0.145,-0.0084,-0.0427,0.0081,-0.0133,0.0022,-0.0024,-0.0019,0.0159,0.0014,0.0029,-0.0009,-0.0017,-0.0094,0.0036,0.0089,0.0006,0.0007,-0.0035,-0.0009,0.001,-0.0003,0.0014,-0.0005
    Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East003_K13_sim,0.1088,0.1444,-0.0086,-0.044,0.0086,-0.0162,0.0026,0.0023,0.0031,0.0166,0.0004,0.0085,0.0005,0.0046,-0.0126,-0.0094,-0.0018,-0.0026,-0.0012,-0.0127,-0.0048,0.0029,-0.0038,-0.0012,-0.004
    Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East004_K13_sim,0.1038,0.1439,-0.0161,-0.0441,0.0052,-0.018,-0.0001,-0.0004,-0.0041,0.0127,0.0014,0.0017,-0.0036,-0.0019,-0.0085,0.0053,0.0183,-0.0015,0.0004,0.0009,0.0011,0.0007,-0.0059,0.0031,-0.0017
    Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East005_K13_sim,0.1016,0.1485,-0.0188,-0.0469,0.01,-0.0149,0.0007,-0.0006,-0.0018,0.015,0.0025,0.0022,-0.0007,-0.0013,-0.0124,0.0006,0.008,0.0003,-0.0004,-0.0001,-0.0026,0.0023,-0.0041,0.0018,0.0009
    Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East006_K13_sim,0.1124,0.148,-0.0176,-0.0491,0.0051,-0.0191,0.0002,-0.0009,-0.0023,0.0185,0.0049,0.0006,-0.0073,-0.0014,-0.0061,0.0031,0.0183,-0.0006,0.003,0.0001,0.0005,-0.0049,0.001,0.0006,-0.0026
    Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East007_K13_sim,0.1029,0.1439,-0.0219,-0.0557,0.0116,-0.0264,-0.0006,0.0002,0.0084,0.0166,0.0055,-0.0009,0,-0.0038,-0.0089,0.0037,0.0101,-0.0019,-0.0001,-0.0042,-0.0023,-0.0048,0.0009,0.0027,0.0004
    Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East008_K13_sim,0.1034,0.1441,-0.0184,-0.0437,0.0137,-0.0184,0.0006,-0.0007,-0.0004,0.0159,-0.0003,0.0001,-0.0007,0.0001,-0.0147,0.0047,0.0122,0.0001,0.0024,0.001,-0.0044,-0.0006,-0.0023,0.001,-0.0005
    Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East009_K13_sim,0.1083,0.1471,-0.0121,-0.0486,0.0077,-0.0147,-0.0023,-0.0024,-0.0049,0.0195,0.0036,0.0056,-0.0072,0.0008,-0.0157,0.0021,0.0077,-0.0012,0.0074,-0.0058,-0.0019,0.001,0.0008,-0.0065,0.0015
    Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East010_K13_sim,0.1042,0.146,-0.0183,-0.0503,0.0005,-0.0194,-0.0032,-0.0033,-0.0077,0.0152,0.0033,-0.0002,-0.0073,0.0002,-0.007,0.0042,0.0136,-0.0003,0.0044,-0.0003,0.0019,-0.0018,-0.0014,0.0001,0.0001
    Greek_Crete_East:Sitia001_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1078,0.1475,-0.0123,-0.0478,0.0069,-0.0192,-0.0016,-0.0017,0.0022,0.0164,0.0045,0.0004,-0.0062,0.0006,-0.0037,0.0007,0.0049,0.0001,0.003,-0.0023,0.0009,-0.0042,0.0004,0.0012,-0.0024
    Greek_Crete_Muslim:TG_K13_sim,0.1048,0.1442,-0.0064,-0.0359,0.0056,-0.0157,-0.0019,-0.001,-0.0082,0.0127,0.0019,0.0003,-0.0103,-0.0015,-0.0024,0.0059,0.019,-0.0011,0.003,0.0043,0.0074,-0.003,-0.0051,-0.0023,-0.0013
    Greek_Crete_Muslim:MA_K13_sim,0.1042,0.1363,-0.0139,-0.0361,0.0051,-0.0132,0.0021,-0.0009,-0.0028,0.0071,0.0035,0.0014,0.0019,-0.0053,-0.0098,0.0056,0.0126,-0.001,-0.0031,-0.0003,-0.0009,0.0014,-0.0038,0.0038,0.0029
    PCA (generic Cretan sims in aqua, Chanians in orange, Eastern Cretans in violet, Cretan Muslims in pink, and real G25 Cretans in light green for comparison):
     


    Basic component modelling:
     


    Distances:
     


    We will conclude our exploration with the Dodecanese. Stay tuned.
    Last edited by Michalis Moriopoulos; 08-18-2022 at 04:48 AM.
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    Thanks, Michalis and company for your continued hard work. Looks pretty good for my dad.

    Distance to: MarkosDad (Samos/Roma)
    0.02173481 Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos001_K13_sim
    0.02276972 Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania003_K13_sim
    0.02299530 Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros002_K13_sim
    0.02443322 Greek_Cyclades_Naxos:Naxos001_K13_sim
    0.02444124 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos004_K13_sim
    0.02575830 Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania002_K13_sim
    0.02641581 Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos002_K13_sim
    0.02751300 Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros007_K13_sim
    0.02802324 Greek_North_Aegean_Thasos:Thasos001_K13_sim
    0.02850379 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos001_K13_sim
    0.02892944 Greek_Cyclades_Paros: Paros001_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02955088 Greek_Cyclades_Paros: Paros002_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02976996 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios014_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03004284 Greek_Crete_Muslim:MA_K13_sim
    0.03008298 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos003_K13_sim
    0.03068453 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos003_K13_sim
    0.03072264 Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros004_K13_sim
    0.03094237 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios013_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03123926 Greek_Crete:Crete001_K13_sim
    0.03133107 Greek_Crete:Crete003_K13_sim
    0.03162063 Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East008_K13_sim
    0.03209269 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios011_K13_sim
    0.03213518 Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East002_K13_sim
    0.03223362 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni1_K13_sim
    0.03227384 Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania001_K13_sim

    Target: MarkosDad (Samos/Roma)
    Distance: 0.6547% / 0.00654655
    46.8 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos
    24.6 Greek_Roma
    21.8 Greek_Cyclades_Naxos
    4.0 Greek_Cyclades_Paros
    2.8 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria

    We've been discussing for a while that I believe Samos (where my dad is from) has pockets of different east or west-leaning communities throughout the island. This wouldn't be so surprising given its history. This is mostly assumed due to the huge number of Chios matches I get (who show a very clear Chios genetic profile). We know there was a lot of migration between both islands over the years so I can't imagine I am the only Samiote who has so many Chios matches - unless there's an unknown great-grandparent+ from Chios I am unaware of!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markos View Post
    Thanks, Michalis and company for your continued hard work. Looks pretty good for my dad.

    Distance to: MarkosDad (Samos/Roma)
    0.02173481 Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos001_K13_sim
    0.02276972 Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania003_K13_sim
    0.02299530 Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros002_K13_sim
    0.02443322 Greek_Cyclades_Naxos:Naxos001_K13_sim
    0.02444124 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos004_K13_sim
    0.02575830 Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania002_K13_sim
    0.02641581 Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos002_K13_sim
    0.02751300 Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros007_K13_sim
    0.02802324 Greek_North_Aegean_Thasos:Thasos001_K13_sim
    0.02850379 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos001_K13_sim
    0.02892944 Greek_Cyclades_Paros: Paros001_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02955088 Greek_Cyclades_Paros: Paros002_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02976996 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios014_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03004284 Greek_Crete_Muslim:MA_K13_sim
    0.03008298 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos003_K13_sim
    0.03068453 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos003_K13_sim
    0.03072264 Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros004_K13_sim
    0.03094237 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios013_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03123926 Greek_Crete:Crete001_K13_sim
    0.03133107 Greek_Crete:Crete003_K13_sim
    0.03162063 Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East008_K13_sim
    0.03209269 Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios011_K13_sim
    0.03213518 Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East002_K13_sim
    0.03223362 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni1_K13_sim
    0.03227384 Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania001_K13_sim

    Target: MarkosDad (Samos/Roma)
    Distance: 0.6547% / 0.00654655
    46.8 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos
    24.6 Greek_Roma
    21.8 Greek_Cyclades_Naxos
    4.0 Greek_Cyclades_Paros
    2.8 Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria

    We've been discussing for a while that I believe Samos (where my dad is from) has pockets of different east or west-leaning communities throughout the island. This wouldn't be so surprising given its history. This is mostly assumed due to the huge number of Chios matches I get (who show a very clear Chios genetic profile). We know there was a lot of migration between both islands over the years so I can't imagine I am the only Samiote who has so many Chios matches - unless there's an unknown great-grandparent+ from Chios I am unaware of!
    Do you have non-Roma mainlander matches from your paternal ancestry?
    distance: 0.01753688
    Ancient Greece/Balkans: 48.2
    Early Slavic: 24.6
    RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya: 14.8
    Levant_Megiddo_IA: 9.6
    MAR_Taforalt: 1
    CHN_Chuanyun_Historic: 1.2
    Yoruba: 0.6

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXD View Post
    Do you have non-Roma mainlander matches from your paternal ancestry?
    There might be some given how many test but nothing noticeable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Close-up of the simulated North Aegean samples:

     


    Chios, Lesbos and Lemnos overlap completely with Crete, if I had to guess the latter are more similar to Western and Central Crete. The Ikariotes are in-between the Maniots and the Cretans, there's not much difference with Chios either. Fourni overlaps strongly with the Maniots and the Southern Tsakonians, meanwhile Samos is firmly Peloponnesian albeit slightly shifted towards the East Med. I'm not sure any of this directly supports or contradicts Chios' resettlement from neighbouring islands.

    The Fourniotes seem to be more "Italian-like" within the East Med continuum, much like the Maniots and the Tsakonians, and are therefore closer to the LBA-IA Greeks on the PCA. Lesbos and Lemnos are artificially similar to Eastern Ashkenazim, this probably has to do with elevated steppe ancestry (possibly mediated via Slavic admixture), here are the distances for my father example:

     
    Code:
    Distance to:	Agamemnon_Dad
    0.02249830	Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos003_K13_sim
    0.02327396	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios014_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02515861	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos001_K13_sim
    0.02546978	Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos004_K13_sim
    0.02663139	Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos001_K13_sim
    0.02727847	Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni1_K13_sim
    0.02740118	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios003_K13_sim
    0.02762582	Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni3_K13_sim
    0.02837089	Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos:Lesbos002_K13_sim
    0.02903540	Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria004_K13_sim
    0.02945964	Greek_North_Aegean_Samothrace:Samothrace001_K13_sim
    0.02951832	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios017_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02957421	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos003_K13_sim
    0.02962885	Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos002_K13_sim
    0.03016120	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios016_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03030331	Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria006_K13_sim
    0.03044095	Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria007_K13_sim
    0.03055219	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios032_K13_sim
    0.03058203	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos002_K13_sim
    0.03062624	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios011_K13_sim
    0.03066988	Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni2_K13_sim
    0.03086034	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios001_K13_sim
    0.03101425	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos010_FJ7561964_Steve_K13_sim
    0.03231182	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios006_K13_sim
    0.03251799	Greek_North_Aegean_Thasos:Thasos001_K13_sim
    0.03258703	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios019_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03270843	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos_o:Samos009_K13_sim
    0.03343313	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios005_K13_sim
    0.03352581	Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos:Lemnos001_K13_sim
    0.03355567	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios010_K13_sim
    0.03379739	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios035_K13_sim
    0.03381813	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos006_K13_sim
    0.03389355	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos004_K13_sim
    0.03407200	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios022_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03412553	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos008_FA5266432_Mary_Bresenhan_K13_sim
    0.03433739	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios007_K13_sim
    0.03434991	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos005_K13_sim
    0.03456796	Greek_North_Aegean_Samos:Samos007_K13_sim
    0.03508877	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios018_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03525974	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios013_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03528893	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios033_K13_sim
    0.03537751	Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni:Fourni5_K13_sim
    0.03636776	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios015_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03647394	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios026_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03684889	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios021_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03699409	Greek_North_Aegean_Ikaria:Ikaria002_K13_sim
    0.03734913	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios009_K13_sim
    0.03809065	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios028_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03810487	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios023_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03836179	Greek_North_Aegean_Chios:Chios027_lowsnp_K13_sim
    Fourniotes have a strong and soupy IBD connection to Ikaria, almost certainly a founder effect from the resettlement of the island in the mid-19th century. Maybe the simplest explanation is that a West Med leaning portion of the Ikarian profile is the base of the Fourni profile (possibly centered around Evdilos in the north of Ikaria) plus added ancestry from Samos and the Mainland to pull the profile north. There is anecdotal evidence in my family tree and my cousin's Y test that would support this.

    But really, we are probably looking at my four family samples + a cousin that is 1/2 Chiote. I can confirm other Fourniotes have the same IBD connection to Ikaria, but was never successful in getting these distant cousins to upload to GEDmatch or purchase G25.

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    Close-up of the Cycladians and the Cretans:

     


    Chania overlaps with Lesbos, Chios, Lemnos, Paros and Naxos as well as Andros while Crete_East overlaps with Chios, Ikaria, Kos, Santorini and Mani. No big surprises here. The Cretan Muslims are closer to Lemnos, though well within the original Cretan cluster (arguably, their profile is much more typical of Central-Western Crete). Andros OTOH is in-between North Tsakonia and Ikaria and overlaps with the Fourniotes, the Maniotes, the South Tsakonians and Samos (as well as Naxos and Paros), several of the more East Med Laconians seem similar as well.

    Here's what my father gets with them:

     
    Code:
    Distance to:	Agamemnon_Dad
    0.01947888	Greek_Crete:Crete001_K13_sim
    0.02285435	Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros002_K13_sim
    0.02418244	Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania003_K13_sim
    0.02421584	Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania002_K13_sim
    0.02541128	Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros001_K13_sim
    0.02587757	Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East002_K13_sim
    0.02607086	Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros005_K13_sim
    0.02650358	Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros006_K13_sim
    0.02670902	Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros003_K13_sim
    0.02711661	Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East003_K13_sim
    0.02735949	Greek_Cyclades_Paros:Paros002_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02756806	Greek_Crete:Crete003_K13_sim
    0.02821630	Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros004_K13_sim
    0.02860586	Greek_Crete:Crete005_K13_sim
    0.02867507	Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania006_K13_sim
    0.02915399	Greek_Crete_East:Sitia001_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.02919438	Greek_Crete_Muslim:MA_K13_sim
    0.03005015	Greek_Cyclades_Andros:Andros007_K13_sim
    0.03083625	Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East008_K13_sim
    0.03087569	Greek_Cyclades_Paros:Paros001_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03139229	Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East005_K13_sim
    0.03193428	Greek_Crete:Crete002_K13_sim
    0.03225113	Greek_Cyclades_Naxos:Naxos001_K13_sim
    0.03276567	Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania001_K13_sim
    0.03340129	Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East007_K13_sim
    0.03493377	Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania005_K13_sim
    0.03568580	Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East009_K13_sim
    0.03582525	Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East004_K13_sim
    0.03612546	Greek_Cyclades_Santorini:Santorini001_lowsnp_K13_sim
    0.03636731	Greek_Crete_Chania:Chania004_K13_sim
    0.03800311	Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East006_K13_sim
    0.03916513	Greek_Crete:Crete006_K13_sim
    0.04031466	Greek_Crete_East:Crete_East010_K13_sim
    0.04124394	Greek_Crete:Crete004_K13_sim
    0.04309787	Greek_Crete_Muslim:TG_K13_sim
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    I conclude my current exploratory project with the Dodecanese, Greek islanders who genetically bridge the rest of the Aegean to Cyprus. Although there is some variation between islands, Dodecanese overall are the least Slavic-admixed Greeks in the Balkan-Aegean theater. In my opinion they are a decent proxy for what most Greeks in Greece itself were like during the Roman era. Hopefully we will be able to say that for sure in the near future; Vranas Marathon is suggestive, but it is a singleton and might turn out to be an outlier in the long run. Thanks to 23abc's efforts, we have about 70 kits from the Dodecanese region. As a rule, people on these islands are endogamous; finding matches on Gedmatch is not difficult if you have someone to start with.

    ASTYPALAIANS
    In my view the island of Astypalaia would fit better as part of the Cyclades, but it's traditionally considered part of the Dodecanese chain. The first two Astypalaians below are definitely outlying (more steppe-rich) compared to the general Dodecanese set, while the third one is typical.

    Code:
    Greek_Dodecanese_Astypalaia:Astypalea001_K13_sim,0.1123,0.146,-0.006,-0.0381,0.0117,-0.0186,-0.002,-0.0023,0,0.0201,0,0.0015,-0.0081,-0.0025,-0.0063,0.001,0.0162,-0.0005,0.0019,-0.001,0,-0.0015,-0.0027,0.0023,-0.0028
    Greek_Dodecanese_Astypalaia:Astypalea002_K13_sim,0.1101,0.1476,-0.0086,-0.043,0.0119,-0.0182,0.0033,0.001,0.0017,0.0212,0.0001,0.008,-0.0047,0.0033,-0.0103,-0.0073,-0.0032,0.0004,0.0002,-0.0117,-0.0043,0.0016,-0.0028,0.0007,-0.0043
    Greek_Dodecanese_Astypalaia:Astypalea003_K13_sim,0.1048,0.1448,-0.0196,-0.0453,0.0061,-0.0212,0,-0.0022,-0.0048,0.0154,0.0009,0.0004,-0.0053,-0.001,-0.0114,0.0042,0.0172,-0.0001,0.0024,0.0016,-0.0007,-0.0006,-0.0057,0.0008,-0.0002
    PCA (sims in aqua):
     


    Basic component modelling & distances:
     


    PATMIANS
    We have one kit from Patmos, and this individual is the most outlying (steppe-rich) kit in the entire Dodecanese set.

    Code:
    Greek_Dodecanese_Patmos:Patmos001_K13_sim,0.1116,0.1415,-0.0023,-0.0358,0.0151,-0.0128,-0.001,-0.0015,0.0022,0.0209,0.001,0.0034,-0.0056,0.0036,-0.0102,-0.0011,0.0079,-0.0009,0.0006,-0.0058,-0.0012,0.0022,0.0005,-0.0024,-0.0026
    PCA (sim in aqua), basic component modelling, and distances:
     


    KALYMNIANS
    23abc's own ancestry is mostly from Kalymnos, and he has tracked down many pure Kalymnians. There are quite a few people of Kalymnian descent from my neck of the woods, too, including screenwriter Laeta Kalogridis.

    Code:
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos001_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1101,0.1467,-0.0271,-0.0569,0.0092,-0.0268,-0.0003,-0.0033,-0.0002,0.0219,0.0052,0.0019,-0.0045,-0.0016,-0.0116,0,0.0103,0.0011,0.0042,-0.0071,-0.0042,-0.0028,0.0013,0.0014,0.0006
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos002_K13_sim,0.1129,0.1484,-0.0133,-0.0469,0.0028,-0.0183,-0.0013,-0.0038,-0.0073,0.0186,0.0029,0.0017,-0.0097,0,-0.0073,0.0021,0.0173,-0.0014,0.0016,0.0012,0.0029,0.0002,-0.0044,0.0008,-0.0042
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos003_K13_sim,0.1054,0.1379,-0.0211,-0.0469,0.0057,-0.0197,-0.0018,-0.0017,-0.0032,0.0173,0.0044,0.0031,-0.0015,0.0071,-0.0135,-0.0052,0.005,-0.0013,-0.0001,-0.0105,-0.004,0.0022,0.0003,-0.003,-0.0001
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos004_K13_sim,0.1151,0.1473,-0.0131,-0.0485,0.0045,-0.0147,0.0024,-0.0026,-0.0044,0.0155,0.0006,0.0016,0.0015,0.0016,-0.0124,0.0054,0.0085,0.0015,0.0014,0.0006,-0.0009,0.0033,-0.0024,0.0015,-0.0007
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos005_K13_sim,0.111,0.1514,-0.0248,-0.0585,0.0067,-0.0168,0.0025,-0.0011,0.0004,0.0189,0.0074,0.0019,-0.0075,0.0027,-0.0092,0.0019,0.0078,0.0016,0.0065,-0.0011,-0.0027,-0.005,0.0066,-0.0039,-0.0006
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos006_K13_sim,0.1091,0.1479,-0.0206,-0.0554,0.0098,-0.0233,0.0011,-0.0003,0.0038,0.018,0.0048,-0.0006,-0.0051,-0.0016,-0.0066,0.0042,0.0118,0.0001,0.0026,-0.0004,-0.0001,-0.0058,0.0005,0.0016,-0.002
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos007_K13_sim,0.1128,0.1508,-0.0187,-0.0549,0.0096,-0.0187,0.0022,-0.0004,0.0029,0.0207,0.008,0.0024,-0.0064,0.0024,-0.007,0.0005,0.0095,0.0027,0.0072,-0.0014,-0.0015,-0.007,0.0052,-0.002,-0.0019
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos008_K13_sim,0.11,0.147,-0.0175,-0.0493,0.0091,-0.0223,0.0001,-0.001,0.0017,0.0184,0.004,-0.0002,-0.0063,-0.0016,-0.0057,0.0043,0.0162,0.0001,0.0029,0,0.0007,-0.0052,-0.0002,0.0013,-0.0023
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos009_K13_sim,0.1152,0.1483,-0.0256,-0.0584,0.0028,-0.0184,0.0033,-0.0017,-0.0024,0.0173,0.007,0.0011,-0.0015,0,-0.0095,0.0031,0.0091,0.0015,0.0031,-0.0025,-0.0017,-0.0037,0.0044,-0.0007,-0.0005
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos010_K13_sim,0.1165,0.1492,-0.0171,-0.0501,-0.0021,-0.0163,0.0004,-0.0025,-0.0083,0.0167,0.0034,0.0006,-0.0054,0.0023,-0.0107,0,0.0076,0.0006,0.0003,-0.0011,0.0008,0,-0.0019,0.0005,-0.0028
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos011_K13_sim,0.1029,0.1461,-0.0219,-0.0485,0.01,-0.0187,0.0013,-0.0014,-0.0011,0.0152,0.001,0.0007,-0.0006,-0.0005,-0.0143,0.0047,0.012,0.0001,0.0027,0.0008,-0.0035,0.001,-0.0031,0.0014,0.001
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos012_K13_sim,0.1131,0.1506,-0.0217,-0.054,0.004,-0.0172,0.0008,-0.0038,-0.0047,0.0208,0.0058,0.0038,-0.011,0.0004,-0.0093,-0.0011,0.0128,-0.0016,0.0023,-0.0012,-0.0003,-0.0006,0.0002,-0.0021,-0.0045
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos013_K13_sim,0.1034,0.1479,-0.02,-0.0484,0.0075,-0.0162,-0.0041,-0.001,-0.0043,0.018,0.0011,0.003,-0.0043,0.0011,-0.0172,-0.0144,0.0003,0.004,-0.0037,-0.0073,-0.0014,0.0021,-0.0033,0.0052,-0.0001
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos014_K13_sim,0.1078,0.1479,-0.017,-0.0509,0.0071,-0.0148,-0.002,-0.0023,-0.005,0.018,0.0054,0.0028,-0.0075,0.0006,-0.0136,0.0046,0.0078,0.0013,0.0098,-0.0038,-0.0022,-0.0021,0.0043,-0.0037,0.0026
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kalymnos:Kalymnos015_K13_sim,0.1067,0.1496,-0.0146,-0.0499,0.0084,-0.0168,-0.0018,-0.0019,-0.0057,0.0222,0.0042,0.0041,-0.0088,-0.0011,-0.016,0.0034,0.0044,0.0011,0.0076,-0.0056,-0.0035,-0.0008,0.0006,-0.0026,0.0028
    PCA (sims in aqua):
     


    Basic component modelling:
     


    Distances:
     


    KOANS
    People from Kos are typical for the region. This island is also where the real coords for the official G25 Dodecanese are sourced from. The sims below overlap those samples perfectly.

    Code:
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kos:Kos001_K13_sim,0.1131,0.1494,-0.0202,-0.0545,0.005,-0.0167,0.0009,-0.0007,-0.0023,0.0178,0.004,0.0009,-0.0012,0.0018,-0.0129,-0.0029,0.0041,0.0035,0.0011,-0.0033,-0.0019,-0.0021,0.0027,0.0013,-0.0002
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kos:Kos002_K13_sim,0.1229,0.1502,-0.0225,-0.0638,-0.0029,-0.0192,0.002,-0.0044,-0.0089,0.0232,0.0052,0.0023,0.0012,-0.0028,-0.0163,0.0058,0.0124,0.0005,0.0032,-0.0025,-0.002,-0.0003,0.0021,-0.0011,-0.0002
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kos:Kos004_K13_sim,0.1178,0.1469,-0.0218,-0.056,-0.0016,-0.0156,0.0035,-0.0023,-0.0057,0.0145,0.0041,0.0019,-0.0006,0.002,-0.0086,0.0048,0.0058,0.0019,0.0016,-0.0024,-0.0014,-0.0007,0.0031,-0.0011,-0.0013
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kos:Kos005_K13_sim,0.1133,0.1439,-0.0185,-0.0514,0.0037,-0.0185,0.0013,-0.0032,-0.0031,0.0156,0.003,0.0007,0.0023,0.0014,-0.0117,0.0041,0.0074,0.001,0,-0.0035,-0.0019,0.001,-0.0006,0.0009,0.0012
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kos:Kos006_K13_sim,0.1134,0.144,-0.0192,-0.051,0.005,-0.0144,-0.0004,-0.0043,-0.0002,0.0159,0.0077,0.0025,-0.0053,0.0015,-0.0066,0.0011,0.0055,0.0016,0.0051,-0.0035,-0.0009,-0.0042,0.0062,-0.0024,-0.0017
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kos:Kos007_K13_sim,0.1206,0.1467,-0.0165,-0.0523,0.0033,-0.0167,0.0043,-0.002,-0.0012,0.0156,0.0041,0.0012,0.0016,0.0034,-0.008,0.003,0.0025,0.0027,0.0012,-0.0019,-0.0008,-0.001,0.0035,-0.0011,-0.0017
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kos:Kos008_K13_sim,0.1059,0.1455,-0.0257,-0.0528,0.003,-0.0157,-0.0017,-0.0041,-0.006,0.0186,0.0046,0.0067,-0.0061,-0.0044,-0.0124,-0.0073,0.008,-0.0012,-0.0029,-0.0068,0.0006,0.0039,-0.004,0.0025,-0.0028
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kos:Kos009_K13_sim,0.1105,0.1489,-0.0225,-0.0508,0.0025,-0.0221,0.0008,-0.001,-0.0062,0.018,0.0056,-0.0004,-0.0091,0.0016,-0.007,0.0032,0.0143,0.0017,0.0036,-0.0002,0.0013,-0.0036,-0.0031,0.0028,-0.0015
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kos:Kos010_K13_sim,0.1089,0.1453,-0.0288,-0.0521,-0.0026,-0.0233,-0.001,-0.005,-0.0132,0.0146,0.0066,0,-0.0073,0.0021,-0.0084,-0.0012,0.0132,0.0019,0.0043,-0.0047,-0.001,-0.0008,-0.0022,0.0023,0.0017
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kos:Kos011_lowsnp_K13_sim,0.1035,0.1463,-0.0217,-0.0537,0.01,-0.0238,-0.0027,-0.0001,0.0007,0.0196,0.0019,0.0002,-0.001,-0.0016,-0.0175,-0.0044,0.0066,0.0031,-0.0021,-0.0057,-0.0025,-0.0044,-0.0022,0.0043,0.0025
    PCA (Koan sims in aqua, real G25 Koans in light green for comparison):
     


    Basic component modelling (real G25 Koans included for comparison):
     


    Distances:
     


    NISYRIANS
    South of Kos lies the island of Nisyros. Nothing unusual there.

    Code:
    Greek_Dodecanese_Nisyros:Nisyros001_K13_Sim,0.1038,0.1446,-0.0173,-0.0464,0.0086,-0.0174,-0.0009,-0.0039,-0.0012,0.0156,0.0012,0.0038,-0.004,-0.0026,-0.0105,0.001,0.0064,0.0006,0.0007,-0.0009,-0.0031,0.0022,-0.0015,0.0036,0.0021
    Greek_Dodecanese_Nisyros:Nisyros002_K13_Sim,0.1047,0.1471,-0.0146,-0.0491,0.008,-0.016,-0.0045,-0.0017,-0.0028,0.0175,0.0038,0.002,-0.0056,0.001,-0.0144,-0.0027,0.0007,0.0027,0.0053,-0.007,-0.0022,-0.002,0.0026,-0.0003,0.003
    Greek_Dodecanese_Nisyros:Nisyros003_K13_Sim,0.1042,0.144,-0.0254,-0.05,0.0049,-0.0203,0.001,-0.0032,-0.0046,0.0142,0.0038,0.0021,-0.0017,-0.0043,-0.0081,-0.0001,0.007,0.0003,0.0004,-0.005,-0.004,0.0001,-0.0014,0.0025,0.0025
    PCA (sims in aqua):
     


    Basic component modelling & distances:
     


    KARPATHIANS
    We move further south to Karpathos, the major island between Crete and Rhodes. I'm very familiar with Karpathians because they are well represented in my neighborhood. For a time I had assumed my Greek ancestry was from this island because of this very fact (which I have disconfirmed only in the past year, discovering that I am actually of Deep Maniot descent-- opa!). In any case, it's good to see Karpathians represented in the G25 finally, even if just in sim form for now:

    Code:
    Greek_Dodecanese_Karpathos:Karpathos001_K13_sim,0.1074,0.1443,-0.0204,-0.0565,0.004,-0.018,0.0027,-0.0011,0.0066,0.0152,0.0039,0.0036,0.0037,0.0028,-0.0097,-0.0025,0.0018,-0.0018,-0.0015,-0.0054,-0.0019,-0.0002,0.001,-0.0035,-0.0033
    Greek_Dodecanese_Karpathos:Karpathos002_K13_sim,0.1181,0.1472,-0.0255,-0.0607,0,-0.0169,0.0023,-0.0037,-0.0053,0.0208,0.0069,0.0039,-0.0032,-0.0016,-0.0111,0.0008,0.0093,-0.0004,0.0025,-0.0042,-0.0008,-0.0009,0.003,-0.0017,-0.0028
    Greek_Dodecanese_Karpathos:Karpathos003_K13_sim,0.1082,0.1527,-0.0252,-0.0612,0.0058,-0.0185,-0.0004,-0.001,-0.0003,0.0221,0.0071,0.0021,-0.0072,0.0014,-0.0119,-0.0003,0.0072,0.001,0.0056,-0.0031,-0.002,-0.0039,0.0031,-0.0027,0
    Greek_Dodecanese_Karpathos:Karpathos004_K13_sim,0.1032,0.1442,-0.0217,-0.0498,0.0081,-0.0158,0.0015,-0.0012,-0.001,0.0129,0.0046,0.0038,-0.0021,-0.0066,-0.01,0.006,0.0141,-0.0004,-0.0002,-0.0004,0,-0.0001,-0.0016,0.0037,0.002
    Greek_Dodecanese_Karpathos:Karpathos005_K13_sim,0.1215,0.1487,-0.0179,-0.0589,-0.0005,-0.0167,0.0016,-0.0046,-0.0065,0.0192,0.0038,0.0027,0.0009,-0.0006,-0.0138,0.0047,0.0075,0.0014,0.0015,-0.0019,-0.0009,0.0013,0.0018,0.0005,0.0003
    Greek_Dodecanese_Karpathos:Karpathos006_K13_sim,0.1117,0.1463,-0.0182,-0.0616,0.0024,-0.018,-0.001,-0.0083,-0.0028,0.017,0.0038,0.0041,0.0023,-0.0021,-0.0145,0.0038,0.0063,0.0001,-0.002,0.0003,0.0005,0.0041,-0.0013,0.0008,0.0016
    PCA (sims in aqua):
     


    Basic component modelling & distances:
     


    KASIOTS
    We are not entirely sure that the person below derives all of her ancestry from Kasos (an island off the coast of Karpathos), but we think it's likely she does. Still, the higher steppe ancestry relative to Karpathos and eastern Crete might suggest some non-local ancestry.

    Code:
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kasos:Kasos_K13_sim,0.114,0.146,-0.0089,-0.0495,0.0051,-0.0165,0.0001,-0.0017,0.0008,0.0168,0.0005,0.0028,0.0026,0.0033,-0.0122,-0.0034,-0.0029,0.0018,-0.0018,-0.0063,-0.0022,0.0022,-0.001,0.0014,-0.0013
    PCA (sim in aqua), basic component modelling, and distances:
     


    SYMIOTS
    The island of Symi is situated north of Rhodes, and we luckily have a few Symiots to analyze. They are very similar to Rhodians, save for one outlier that plots more like the other Dodecanese we've already seen.

    Code:
    Greek_Dodecanese_Symi:Symi001_K13_sim,0.1042,0.1425,-0.034,-0.0593,0.0029,-0.0269,-0.0001,-0.0037,-0.0032,0.0156,0.0068,0.0001,-0.0012,-0.0016,-0.0114,0.0024,0.0097,0.0001,0.0002,-0.0069,-0.0026,-0.0035,-0.0004,0.0014,0.0032
    Greek_Dodecanese_Symi:Symi002_K13_sim,0.1083,0.147,-0.0329,-0.0656,-0.0011,-0.0229,-0.0031,-0.0059,-0.0095,0.0209,0.008,0.0038,-0.0053,-0.0065,-0.0164,0.0034,0.017,-0.001,0.0032,-0.0028,-0.0025,-0.0012,0.0015,0.0029,0.0046
    Greek_Dodecanese_Symi:Symi003_K13_sim,0.1101,0.1517,-0.0308,-0.0654,0.0018,-0.0221,0.0015,-0.0027,0.0003,0.0215,0.009,0.0008,-0.0029,-0.0043,-0.01,0.0008,0.0089,0.0001,0.0048,-0.0022,-0.0027,-0.007,0.0078,-0.0026,0.0004
    Greek_Dodecanese_Symi:Symi005_K13_sim,0.106,0.1457,-0.0285,-0.055,0.0027,-0.0218,-0.0018,-0.0036,-0.0064,0.0175,0.0053,0.0021,-0.0042,0.0014,-0.0145,-0.004,0.0044,0.0029,0.0005,-0.0064,-0.0033,0.0006,-0.0022,0.0044,0.0031
    Greek_Dodecanese_Symi_o:Symi004_K13_sim,0.1013,0.1466,-0.0189,-0.0521,0.008,-0.0179,-0.0065,-0.0024,-0.0033,0.0177,0.0021,0.0034,-0.0046,-0.0015,-0.017,-0.0081,0.0035,0.0037,-0.0025,-0.0035,-0.0017,0.0009,-0.0016,0.0071,0.005
    PCA (sims in aqua):
     


    Basic component modelling & distances:
     


    RHODIANS
    Who doesn't love Rhodes? We do have some real G25 Rhodians coords already, but they aren't ideal because they are sourced from low res genomes, and as such show a wider spread than is probably realistic. There are two outliers (more steppe-rich) in the "real set" that might plot the way they do precisely because of this reason. Thankfully we have a handful of sims now, and they plot like the Symiots above. Rhodes, Symi, and Kastellorizo are the most West Asian-shifted islands in the Dodecanese, and as such connect the rest of the Aegean to Cyprus. As one can see in the PCA, there are no gaps between Europe and West Asia thanks to the East Med continuum, and Rhodes is an essential component in that chain.

    Code:
    Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes:Rhodes001_K13_sim,0.1086,0.1453,-0.0323,-0.0643,0.0043,-0.0273,0.0006,-0.0026,-0.0009,0.0213,0.0066,0.0001,-0.0009,-0.0076,-0.0149,0.0077,0.019,-0.002,0.0018,-0.0035,-0.0025,-0.0072,0.0018,0,0.0017
    Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes:Rhodes002_K13_sim,0.1083,0.1529,-0.0263,-0.0646,0.0038,-0.0203,-0.003,-0.0051,-0.008,0.0239,0.004,0.0043,-0.0106,-0.001,-0.0203,0.0003,0.0136,0.0003,0.004,-0.0005,-0.0037,0.0003,0.001,-0.0004,0.0033
    Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes:Rhodes003_K13_sim,0.1123,0.1505,-0.0337,-0.06,0.0027,-0.0229,0.0044,-0.0006,-0.0043,0.0202,0.0086,0.001,-0.0068,0.0028,-0.0112,0.0008,0.0046,0.0039,0.0044,-0.0053,-0.0033,-0.0042,0.0008,0.0017,0.0005
    Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes:Rhodes004_K13_sim,0.1093,0.1454,-0.0312,-0.0604,-0.0019,-0.0231,-0.0015,-0.0049,-0.0086,0.0184,0.0078,0.0012,-0.0018,-0.0022,-0.0131,0.0022,0.0138,0,0.0036,-0.0045,-0.0041,-0.0017,0.0016,0.0018,0.004
    PCA (sims in aqua, real G25 Rhodians in light green for comparison):
     


    Basic component modelling (including real G25 Rhodians for comparison) & distances:
     


    KASTELLORIZANS
    Kastellorizo (Megisti) is the easternmost island in the Dodecanese region. I was really excited to see some Kazzies finally, most of whom live in Australia now. There are lots of Aussie kits out there with Kastellorizan ancestry, but only two of them could be confirmed to be pure. They plot with the Rhodians and Symiots.

    Code:
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kastellorizo:Kastellorizo001_K13_sim,0.1009,0.1456,-0.0305,-0.0626,0.0003,-0.0193,-0.0037,-0.0064,-0.0017,0.0184,0.0067,0.0064,-0.0046,-0.002,-0.0085,-0.0078,0.0017,-0.0032,-0.0019,-0.0065,-0.0009,0.0042,0.0002,0.0009,-0.0007
    Greek_Dodecanese_Kastellorizo:Kastellorizo002_K13_sim,0.1082,0.1467,-0.0311,-0.0567,0.001,-0.0247,0.0018,-0.0022,-0.0062,0.0172,0.0058,-0.0009,-0.0054,0.0004,-0.0107,0.004,0.011,0.0019,0.0026,-0.0036,-0.0012,-0.0033,-0.0022,0.0028,0.001
    PCA (sims in aqua), basic component modelling, & distances:
     


    That's all for now! Hopefully this project has helped filled in some gaps in the record.
    Ελευθερία ή θάνατος.

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