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    EthioHelix K10 + French

    Population
    Nilo-Saharan -
    North-Africa 24.58%
    Mbuti-Pygmy -
    Eastern-Bantu -
    Khoi-San -
    West-Africa -
    Hadza -
    Biaka-Pygmy -
    French 68.14%
    Omotic 7.28%
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    Regarding hadza... i've looked at quite a few iranic genomes. Apparently there is this noise connection between the hadza and south-central/south-asian admixture affinities. It seems to come out at noise levels in Iranians(Even i and a south-iranian scored some). While Omotic seems amongst west-eurasians to peak in semitic-speaking south middle-easterners(gulf arabs) and decline outside of the levant-iran-mesopotamia. My guess is that omotics probably have something to do with the afro-asiatic/neolithic connection, or geneflow from that area. There is something that is making omotics contribute to west-Eurasians. Perhaps omotic speakers have received west-eurasian ancestry.

    Edit: Omotics are a stand in for east-african.

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    Similarly, this would be the corresponding plot for the K10 + French test:



    There is definitely some Eurasian ancestry in Omotic based on the above plot, geography, uniparental markers (Eurasian Ydna and mtdna) and linguistics (although there is no consensus as whether it is an Afroasiatic branch or not).
    But it is still very likely that part of the Omotic results in West Eurasians is actual [post-original OOA] African ancestry.
    Last edited by Ignis90; 05-24-2014 at 11:28 AM.
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    Maternal [grandfather] Y-DNA: E-M35>E-Z827>L19>M81>M183>PF2477>PF2546
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    13910: TT (rs4988235 AA)
    22018: AA (rs182549 TT)

    (my mother's LP: same results)

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    EthioHelix K10 + French.

    Population
    Nilo-Saharan -
    North-Africa 21.04%
    Mbuti-Pygmy -
    Eastern-Bantu -
    Khoi-San -
    West-Africa -
    Hadza -
    Biaka-Pygmy -
    French 71.69%
    Omotic 7.27%


    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 egypt 18.42
    2 egyptans 22.31
    3 libya 35.68
    4 french 39
    5 algeria 53.84
    6 morocco-n 55
    7 EtA 62.94
    8 EtT 64.2
    9 ethiopian-jews 64.72
    10 moroccans 64.85
    11 EtT-P 65.95
    12 EtA-P 68.85
    13 Afar 70.16
    14 EtO-P 72.38
    15 morocco-s 77.53
    16 EtO 78.26
    17 sahara-occ 80.29
    18 EtS-P 82.38
    19 Wolayta 82.71
    20 Somali 82.78

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 52.2% libya + 47.8% french @ 1.09
    2 68.6% egypt + 31.4% french @ 5.05
    3 67.5% french + 32.5% sahara-occ @ 5.27
    4 58.1% french + 41.9% algeria @ 5.34
    5 62.6% french + 37.4% moroccans @ 5.54
    6 58.7% french + 41.3% morocco-n @ 6.1
    7 64.4% egyptans + 35.6% french @ 6.81
    8 74.5% french + 25.5% mozabite @ 8.62
    9 67% french + 33% morocco-s @ 8.68
    10 63.2% french + 36.8% EtA @ 16.6
    11 71.9% french + 28.1% fulani @ 17.34
    12 63.9% french + 36.1% EtT @ 17.4
    13 64.2% french + 35.8% ethiopian-jews @ 17.79
    14 100% egypt + 0% !kung @ 18.42
    15 100% egypt + 0% ARI-B @ 18.42
    16 100% egypt + 0% ARI-C @ 18.42
    17 100% egypt + 0% Afar @ 18.42
    18 100% egypt + 0% Anuak @ 18.42
    19 100% egypt + 0% EtA @ 18.42
    20 100% egypt + 0% EtA-P @ 18.42


    EthioHelix K10 + Palestinian


    Population
    Nilo-Saharan -
    East-Africa1 1.88%
    Mbuti-Pygmy 0.12%
    Eastern-Bantu -
    Khoi-San -
    West-Africa -
    Hadza 0.71%
    Biaka-Pygmy 1.07%
    Palestinian 87.13%
    Omotic 9.08%


    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 morocco-n 7.42
    2 algeria 9.07
    3 egypt 9.2
    4 libya 9.52
    5 moroccans 11.58
    6 palestinian 11.8
    7 egyptans 12.4
    8 mozabite 12.6
    9 sahara-occ 12.67
    10 morocco-s 36.24
    11 EtT 56.76
    12 EtA 56.78
    13 ethiopian-jews 60.07
    14 EtT-P 61.17
    15 EtA-P 64.35
    16 Afar 67.53
    17 EtO-P 70.8
    18 fulani 74.58
    19 Somali 78.88
    20 EtO 80.49

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 51.3% palestinian + 48.7% egyptans @ 1.95
    2 83.1% palestinian + 16.9% EtA @ 2.33
    3 83.9% palestinian + 16.1% ethiopian-jews @ 2.39
    4 89% palestinian + 11% Wolayta @ 2.41
    5 86% palestinian + 14% EtO-P @ 2.41
    6 91% palestinian + 9% ARI-C @ 2.42
    7 84.8% palestinian + 15.2% EtA-P @ 2.42
    8 83.1% palestinian + 16.9% EtT @ 2.47
    9 55.7% libya + 44.3% palestinian @ 2.59
    10 91.3% palestinian + 8.7% ARI-B @ 2.63
    11 84.2% palestinian + 15.8% EtT-P @ 2.66
    12 85.4% palestinian + 14.6% Afar @ 2.66
    13 56.7% egypt + 43.3% palestinian @ 2.73
    14 87.7% palestinian + 12.3% EtS-P @ 2.79
    15 87.3% palestinian + 12.7% Somali @ 2.95
    16 87.7% palestinian + 12.3% EtO @ 3.3
    17 90% palestinian + 10% sandawe @ 3.45
    18 57.2% morocco-n + 42.8% egypt @ 4.16
    19 67.3% morocco-n + 32.7% egyptans @ 4.94
    20 90.1% palestinian + 9.9% maasai @ 5.5


    EthioHelix K10 + Japanese:

    Population
    Nilo-Saharan 0.12%
    Omotic 7.89%
    Mbuti-Pygmy -
    East-Africa1 1.60%
    Khoi-San -
    West-Africa -
    Hadza -
    Biaka-Pygmy 0.49%
    North-Africa 70.33%
    Japanese 19.56%


    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 egypt 7.74
    2 egyptans 10.41
    3 libya 11.31
    4 algeria 18.16
    5 morocco-n 20.11
    6 moroccans 20.72
    7 sahara-occ 22.74
    8 morocco-s 29.78
    9 mozabite 32.79
    10 EtA 45.54
    11 EtT 45.64
    12 ethiopian-jews 48.78
    13 EtT-P 51.64
    14 EtA-P 53.71
    15 Afar 55.18
    16 EtO-P 58.6
    17 fulani 61.03
    18 EtO 63.68
    19 Somali 64.72
    20 EtS-P 67.26

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 91.9% libya + 8.1% japanese @ 2.79
    2 95% egypt + 5% japanese @ 4.05
    3 87.7% algeria + 12.3% japanese @ 4.8
    4 86.4% moroccans + 13.6% japanese @ 6.9
    5 86.8% morocco-n + 13.2% japanese @ 6.92
    6 94.5% egyptans + 5.5% japanese @ 7.43
    7 98.3% egypt + 1.7% luhya @ 7.58
    8 98.4% egypt + 1.6% pedi @ 7.59
    9 98.4% egypt + 1.6% bantukenya @ 7.59
    10 98.4% egypt + 1.6% alur @ 7.6
    11 85.3% sahara-occ + 14.7% japanese @ 7.61
    12 98.5% egypt + 1.5% xhosa @ 7.61
    13 98.5% egypt + 1.5% nguni @ 7.61
    14 98.6% egypt + 1.4% bantusouthafrica @ 7.62
    15 98.9% egypt + 1.1% biakapygmy @ 7.62
    16 98.7% egypt + 1.3% fang @ 7.62
    17 98.6% egypt + 1.4% sotho/tswana @ 7.63
    18 98.6% egypt + 1.4% mada @ 7.63
    19 98.7% egypt + 1.3% kongo @ 7.63
    20 98.6% egypt + 1.4% bulala @ 7.64

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    For some reason, Oracle-4 for these calculators isn't working.

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    My new ftDNA admixture has 3% African. After running the EthioHelix K10 for all populations, I found one that was constant, Biaka-Pygmy which gave me almost the same results each time.

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    Glad to see the input of non-African samples to avoid over-fitting, been testing it out..

    Gran:

    French:
    # Population Percent
    1 French 79.32
    2 North-Africa 17.64
    3 Omotic 3.05

    Japanese:
    # Population Percent
    1 North-Africa 73
    2 Japanese 18.14
    3 Omotic 6.96
    4 East-Africa1 0.67
    5 Biaka-Pygmy 0.58
    6 Mbuti-Pygmy 0.4
    7 Nilo-Saharan 0.24

    Palestinian:
    # Population Percent
    1 Palestinian 88.97
    2 Omotic 8.33
    3 Mbuti-Pygmy 1.21
    4 Khoi-San 0.82
    5 East-Africa1 0.68

    The over-fitting issue is present when using Palestinians versus French because in the Palestinian, North Africa is not present, hence why you get more Palestinian then French...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrdad View Post
    My new ftDNA admixture has 3% African. After running the EthioHelix K10 for all populations, I found one that was constant, Biaka-Pygmy which gave me almost the same results each time.

    EthioHelix K10_Comparison.PNG
    Usually the admixture is genuine if it's repeatedly generated in other tests.
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    EthioHelix K10 + French

    1 French 79.79
    2 North-Africa 20.1
    3 Hadza 0.11

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 egypt 29.56
    2 french 30.68
    3 egyptans 33.55
    4 libya 45.23
    5 algeria 61.71
    6 morocco-n 62.61
    7 moroccans 72.71
    8 EtA 74.08
    9 EtT 75.29
    10 ethiopian-jews 75.76
    11 EtT-P 77.08
    12 EtA-P 79.94
    13 Afar 81.18
    14 EtO-P 83.41
    15 morocco-s 85.68
    16 sahara-occ 88.25
    17 EtO 88.86
    18 EtS-P 93.36
    19 Wolayta 93.48
    20 Somali 93.78

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 79.5% french + 20.5% mozabite @ 0.07
    2 67.2% french + 32.8% morocco-n @ 2.11
    3 66.9% french + 33.1% algeria @ 2.68
    4 74.3% french + 25.7% sahara-occ @ 2.79
    5 70.4% french + 29.6% moroccans @ 2.79
    6 59.9% french + 40.1% libya @ 6.74
    7 74.2% french + 25.8% morocco-s @ 7.58
    8 51.1% egypt + 48.9% french @ 10.59
    9 52.6% french + 47.4% egyptans @ 11.89
    10 78.6% french + 21.4% fulani @ 15.3
    11 74.7% french + 25.3% EtA @ 18.69
    12 75.3% french + 24.7% EtT @ 19.22
    13 75.5% french + 24.5% ethiopian-jews @ 19.46
    14 79.2% french + 20.8% EtO @ 20.68
    15 80.6% french + 19.4% hema @ 20.8
    16 76.8% french + 23.2% EtT-P @ 20.91
    17 77.7% french + 22.3% EtA-P @ 21.23
    18 78.5% french + 21.5% EtO-P @ 21.29
    19 81.2% french + 18.8% maasai @ 21.33
    20 78.3% french + 21.7% Afar @ 21.67

    The first mixed mode distance is now the lowest one I ever saw for myself on Gedmatch.

    EthioHelix K10 + Palestinian


    # Population Percent
    1 Palestinian 91.28
    2 Omotic 4.62
    3 Khoi-San 1.44
    4 Biaka-Pygmy 1.08
    5 East-Africa1 1.02
    6 Hadza 0.55

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 palestinian 6.16
    2 morocco-n 7.33
    3 algeria 11.05
    4 mozabite 12.21
    5 moroccans 12.56
    6 sahara-occ 14.78
    7 libya 15.26
    8 egypt 15.46
    9 egyptans 18.8
    10 morocco-s 39.03
    11 EtT 62.79
    12 EtA 62.83
    13 ethiopian-jews 66.1
    14 EtT-P 67.4
    15 EtA-P 70.57
    16 Afar 73.68
    17 EtO-P 76.91
    18 fulani 77.87
    19 Somali 84.94
    20 EtO 86.17

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 95% palestinian + 5% sandawe @ 2.29
    2 93.9% palestinian + 6.1% EtO @ 2.51
    3 72.8% palestinian + 27.2% libya @ 2.51
    4 92.3% palestinian + 7.7% ethiopian-jews @ 2.71
    5 91.9% palestinian + 8.1% EtA @ 2.72
    6 94.7% palestinian + 5.3% maasai @ 2.73
    7 91.9% palestinian + 8.1% EtT @ 2.75
    8 95.4% palestinian + 4.6% xhosa @ 2.82
    9 93.4% palestinian + 6.6% EtO-P @ 2.85
    10 94.8% palestinian + 5.2% hema @ 2.85
    11 55.3% palestinian + 44.7% morocco-n @ 2.89
    12 95.8% palestinian + 4.2% ARI-C @ 2.96
    13 94.9% palestinian + 5.1% Wolayta @ 2.97
    14 95.5% palestinian + 4.5% bantusouthafrica @ 2.99
    15 96.1% palestinian + 3.9% !kung @ 3
    16 94.2% palestinian + 5.8% EtS-P @ 3.01
    17 66.5% palestinian + 33.5% algeria @ 3.02
    18 94.1% palestinian + 5.9% Somali @ 3.03
    19 93.2% palestinian + 6.8% Afar @ 3.03
    20 92.9% palestinian + 7.1% EtA-P @ 3.05

    EthioHelix Africa + Japanese

    # Population Percent
    1 North-Africa 68.03
    2 Japanese 23.37
    3 Omotic 5.92
    4 West-Africa 1.33
    5 Biaka-Pygmy 0.8
    6 Mbuti-Pygmy 0.54
    7 East-Africa1 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 egypt 13.21
    2 egyptans 15.71
    3 libya 16.92
    4 algeria 22.97
    5 morocco-n 24.66
    6 moroccans 25.33
    7 sahara-occ 27.39
    8 morocco-s 32
    9 mozabite 37.43
    10 EtA 47.54
    11 EtT 47.57
    12 ethiopian-jews 50.86
    13 EtT-P 53.86
    14 EtA-P 55.81
    15 Afar 57.17
    16 EtO-P 60.4
    17 fulani 60.96
    18 EtO 64.91
    19 Somali 66.37
    20 EtS-P 68.69

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 83.9% algeria + 16.1% japanese @ 2.45
    2 87.9% libya + 12.1% japanese @ 4.24
    3 83.1% morocco-n + 16.9% japanese @ 4.84
    4 82.7% moroccans + 17.3% japanese @ 4.98
    5 90.8% egypt + 9.2% japanese @ 5.43
    6 81.7% sahara-occ + 18.3% japanese @ 5.96
    7 76.3% mozabite + 23.7% japanese @ 6.22
    8 90.3% egyptans + 9.7% japanese @ 9.1
    9 96.5% egypt + 3.5% pedi @ 12.79
    10 96.5% egypt + 3.5% luhya @ 12.8
    11 96.5% egypt + 3.5% bantukenya @ 12.81
    12 96.8% egypt + 3.2% bantusouthafrica @ 12.84
    13 96.8% egypt + 3.2% nguni @ 12.84
    14 96.7% egypt + 3.3% xhosa @ 12.85
    15 96.9% egypt + 3.1% fang @ 12.85
    16 97% egypt + 3% kongo @ 12.86
    17 97.2% egypt + 2.8% hausa @ 12.86
    18 96.9% egypt + 3.1% sotho/tswana @ 12.87
    19 97.1% egypt + 2.9% bamoun @ 12.87
    20 96.8% egypt + 3.2% alur @ 12.88

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