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    Ancient Macedonia sample:


    Distance to: MKD_Anc:I10389
    0.04709908 xz1333-Albanian-Kosovo
    0.04745656 Italian_Piedmont
    0.04809295 Italian_Tuscany
    0.04818107 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.04856200 Swiss_Italian
    0.04872703 Greek_Thessaly
    0.04898412 Albanian
    0.04912564 Rumelia_East
    0.05038597 Italian_Veneto
    0.05127098 Italian_Northeast
    0.05157052 Greek_West_Taygetos
    0.05161412 Greek_Achaea
    0.05166016 Italian_Umbria
    0.05189140 Greek_Messenia
    0.05228388 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.05231602 Greek_Corinthia
    0.05256279 Greek_Macedonia
    0.05267852 Greek_Argolis
    0.05278330 Italian_Marche
    0.05280151 Greek_Elis
    0.05368706 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.05393789 Italian_Bergamo
    0.05449454 Italian_Molise
    0.05459664 Greek_Arcadia
    0.05516763 Greek_East_Taygetos


    Montenegro BronzeAge

    Distance to: MNE_LBA:I13171
    0.03260276 Italian_Veneto
    0.03360095 Swiss_Italian
    0.03582885 xz1333-Albanian-Kosovo
    0.03596949 Italian_Northeast
    0.03601807 Italian_Piedmont
    0.03769458 Italian_Tuscany
    0.03774172 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.03807908 Italian_Bergamo
    0.03832913 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.03877895 French_Provence
    0.04189645 Albanian
    0.04228995 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.04279357 French_Corsica
    0.04288957 Italian_Umbria
    0.04300715 Greek_Thessaly
    0.04337964 Spanish_Mallorca
    0.04353466 Rumelia_East
    0.04354472 Swiss_French
    0.04357871 Spanish_Baleares
    0.04426565 Italian_Lombardy
    0.04588660 Spanish_Girona
    0.04704347 Bulgarian
    0.04751133 Spanish_Penedes
    0.04762083 Romanian
    0.04762858 Greek_Corinthia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruzmi View Post
    New samples from Project Rrėnjėt:

    E-V13:
    Tiranė: E-V13
    Skrapar, Berat: E-V13>FGC44169>FGC57496
    Fier: E-V13>FGC44169>FGC57496>Y138054
    Sarandė, Vlorė: E-V13>CTS9320>Z25461>BY204029
    Berishė, Vushtrri, Mitrovicė: E-V13>FGC33625>Y93102
    Berishė, Drenas, Prishtinė: E-V13>FGC33625>Y93102
    Hot, Tuz: E-V13>FGC11450>Y146086>Y140828
    Tepelenė, Gjirokastėr: E-V13>FGC11450>Y146086>Y140828
    Gjirokastėr: E-V13>FGC11450>Y146086>Y140828
    Vlorė: E-V13>FGC11450>Y146086>Y140828>Y127731
    Vlorė: E-V13>L241>BY5500>A7065>BY5604>BY5607
    Gash, Skėnderaj, Mitrovicė: E-V13>L241>BY5617>PH2180
    Berishė/Kuqe, Skėnderaj, Mitrovicė: E-V13>L241>BY5617>PH2180
    Berishė, Shtime, Ferizaj: E-V13>L241>BY5617>PH2180>Y30588
    Thaē, Kaēanik, Ferizaj: E-V13>L241>BY5617>PH2180>Y30588
    Gash, Deēan, Gjakovė: E-V13>L241>BY5617>PH2180>Y230798
    Kukės: E-V13>L241>BY5617>PH2180>Y192194
    Shkodėr: E-V13>L241>BY5617>PH2180>FT176420>FT232287

    R-M269:
    Mat, Dibėr: R1b-M269> PF7563>Z29758
    Vlorė: R1b-M269>L51>U152>L2>FGC38722>FT415660
    Gjirokastėr: R1b-M269>BY611>Z2705>Y177765
    Dibėr, Rajoni jugp.: R1b-M269>BY611>Z2705>Y32147
    Elbasan: R1b-M269>BY611>Z2705>Y32147>Y126039
    Thaē, Viti, Gjilan: R1b-M269>BY611>Z2705>Y32147>Y133365

    J-L283:
    Vlorė: J2b-L283>Z638>Y21045>PH1751
    Librazhd, Elbasan: J2b-L283>Z638>Y21045>PH1751>Y290702
    Mat, Dibėr: J2b-L283>Z638>Y21045>PH1751>Y67581
    Deēan, Gjakovė: J2b-L283>Z638>Y21045>PH1751>Y52453
    Triesh, Tuz: J2b-L283>Z638>Y21878>FT124983
    Hot, Malėsi e Madhe, Shkodėr: J2b-L283>Z638>Y21878>FT124983
    Shkodėr: J2b-L283>Z638>Y21878>FT124983
    Dibėr: J2b-L283>Z638>Z631>Z1043>Y22894

    J-M410
    Vlorė: J2a-M410>M67>Z1847>SK1337
    Vlorė: J2a-M410>L26>PF5087>FGC16096>Z40068
    Vlorė: J2a-M410>PF5160>L24>L25>Z387>Y197827
    Vlorė: J2a-M410>PF5160>L24>L25>Z387>Y197827
    Vlorė: J2a-M410>PF5160>L24>L25>Z387>L70>Y24651

    J-P58
    Vlorė: J1-M267>P58>FGC12816>FT196614>Y126139
    Vlorė: J1-M267>P58>FGC12816>FT196614>Y126139

    I-M223
    Filat, Ēamėri: I2a-M223>L701>S25733>PH2670>Y214083
    Pogradec, Korēė: I2a-M223>L801>Y3249>CTS6433

    I-P37
    Vlorė: I2a-P37>CTS595>L160>PF4422>PF4459
    Dollnen, Pellagoni: I2a-P37>Y3120>Z17855>FT173833
    Prizren: I2a-P37>Y3120>Z17855>Y12341
    Mat, Dibėr: I2a-P37>Y3120>Z17855>Y12341
    Librazhd, Elbasan: I2a-P37>Y3120>Z17855>Y12341
    Shkodėr: I2a-P37>Y3120>PH908

    I-L38
    Ulqin: I2a-M436>S2555>L38>BY14026

    R-M417
    Kastrat, Ferizaj: R1a-M417>M458>L260>Y2905
    Mallakastėr, Fier: R1a-M417>M458>L1029>YP417>BY30629

    T-M70
    Vlorė: T1a-M70>L131>CTS933>FGC47678>Y206597
    Very interesting results

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzotika View Post
    I was wondering how my father and me plot to the ancient and modern Albanian/ West Balkan results, maybe someone can help me out?

    Toplica_Albanian,0.130897,0.148267,0.015085,-0.019703,0.018773,-0.012271,-0.00047,-0.002538,0.000205,0.023691,0,0.006294,-0.00446,0.005092,-0.020765,-0.002917,0.006258,-0.000633,0.010307,-0.005127,-0.013601,0.004204,0.003451,0.007471,-0.001796

    Toplica_Albanian_son_scaled,0.127482,0.146236,0.01 8102,-0.010013,0.025851,-0.007251,0.006345,0.001385,0.000818,0.015126,0.006 171,0.006294,-0.003419,0.00867,-0.016829,-0.01432,-0.005085,0.001267,0.010307,-0.011881,-0.013975,-0.003462,0.002588,0.003856,-0.000479

    I am the "son", my mum coming from west Kosovo (Decan) and my father coming from region between Prishtina and Besjana (Podujeva), eastern Kosovo. Origin from Toplica region .
    I will PM you your results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exercitus View Post
    No it was called Alpohor back in the XV century, in the Defter of 1520 It appears as Cura Alpohor, the other villages Alpohor in Corinth, Patra, Livadia, Tricala*, Mystra were Katuns of Albanians in the year 1461. The Alpohori near Tripolitsa its not an exclusion of that 'rule'. It was simply a Katund of Albanian-speakers from central Epirus, as big part of the small villages around, back in the XV century.

    Concretly:

    https://i.imgur.com/Vo7BtiS.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/HZcREbp.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/ljBYL3K.jpg
    A specialist translated several Ottoman defters [the earliest being ΤΤ 605 (1583)] that mention my village as Cura Alpohor - like you said. Most of the surnames seem to be medieval Greek, but there are some that are Albanian. Also, if Cura (pronounced as Choura) was named after a person, does that mean something in Albanian? The surname Chouras seem to exist exclusively among Arvanites in Greece.

    Are there any publicly available versions of these defters?
    distance: 0.01753688
    Ancient Greece/Balkans: 48.2
    Early Slavic: 24.6
    RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya: 14.8
    Levant_Megiddo_IA: 9.6
    MAR_Taforalt: 1
    CHN_Chuanyun_Historic: 1.2
    Yoruba: 0.6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzotika View Post
    As I can’t message: thanks for your effort and input. So compared to other Albanians, how can I interpret my results? Anything out of the order or in line with other Albanians?
    Nothing out of the order, pretty much in line with some other Albanian results I have seen. Sorry I was in a hurry but I can teach you how to run these calculators some day. What is your Y-DNA btw ?

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    If you don't know your Y-DNA you can use possibly one of those online predictors if you upload your raw data, I don't know how accurate they are but they gave me same results as FTDNA Y-DNA test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzotika View Post
    Thanks for the answer. Yeah would be great to check whether my father and me are closer to the Illyrian or Thracian samples from IA.
    I am E-V13/CTS9320/Y20805*
    Forget about Thracians overall, they're too Southern shifted for Albanians. You should focus specifically on Moesians and Getae/Dacians, but there's only 1 supposed Getae that is close to Albanians.

    Distance to: Toplica_Albanian_son_scaled
    0.02736058 Albanian
    0.03005808 Illyric
    0.03572131 Pannonia
    0.04060864 I14688_600-400BCEKukėsR1b-L51
    0.04235152 I14690_1700-400BCEKukėsR1b-CTS1450
    0.04334618 I16251_500-50BCEKukėsR1b-M269
    0.04593043 I16253_658-403BCEKukėsJ2b-Y21878
    0.05969525 I16254_600-400BCEKukės;J2b-Z622|I16254
    0.06573692 I8471_1880-1695BCEShkrelMalėsieMadheJ2b-Z597
    0.06770035 Dacia

    Distance to: Toplica_Albanian
    0.02330088 Albanian
    0.03090355 Illyric
    0.03897469 I16251_500-50BCEKukėsR1b-M269
    0.03916157 Pannonia
    0.04071179 I14688_600-400BCEKukėsR1b-L51
    0.04287032 I14690_1700-400BCEKukėsR1b-CTS1450
    0.04411828 I16253_658-403BCEKukėsJ2b-Y21878
    0.05544098 I8471_1880-1695BCEShkrelMalėsieMadheJ2b-Z597
    0.05576895 I16254_600-400BCEKukės;J2b-Z622|I16254
    0.06734410 Achaia
    0.07624823 Dacia

    You're more North-Eastern shifted than your dad apparently.
    Last edited by Zanatis; 09-24-2022 at 04:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzotika View Post
    Thanks for the answer. Yeah would be great to check whether my father and me are closer to the Illyrian or Thracian samples from IA.
    I am E-V13/CTS9320/Y20805*
    I haven't seen any people from the Balkans that are close to those Thracians found recently from the Iron Age. Regardless on what PCA Map I run them, they appear nowhere close to Albanians and they score like 70% Neolithic while on some PCA maps some of these Illyrians and Macedonians actually are close. In some others they cluster on average more West of us together with medieval samples. And in that specific PCA I noticed sample from Ohrid, Macedonia clusters just west of me or next to me and you appear far East of me. One Cetina Bronze Age is just south of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzotika View Post
    I was wondering how my father and me plot to the ancient and modern Albanian/ West Balkan results, maybe someone can help me out?

    Toplica_Albanian,0.130897,0.148267,0.015085,-0.019703,0.018773,-0.012271,-0.00047,-0.002538,0.000205,0.023691,0,0.006294,-0.00446,0.005092,-0.020765,-0.002917,0.006258,-0.000633,0.010307,-0.005127,-0.013601,0.004204,0.003451,0.007471,-0.001796

    Toplica_Albanian_son_scaled,0.127482,0.146236,0.01 8102,-0.010013,0.025851,-0.007251,0.006345,0.001385,0.000818,0.015126,0.006 171,0.006294,-0.003419,0.00867,-0.016829,-0.01432,-0.005085,0.001267,0.010307,-0.011881,-0.013975,-0.003462,0.002588,0.003856,-0.000479

    I am the "son", my mum coming from west Kosovo (Decan) and my father coming from region between Prishtina and Besjana (Podujeva), eastern Kosovo. Origin from Toplica region .
    Are these real coordinates or K13 sims?

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    You're from Toplica btw, I assume your ancestors were expelled out of the area in the 1870's ?

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