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Thread: Ancestry Update + Ethnicity Inheritance (Apr 2022)

  1. #21
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    Father:
    Sweden & Denmark: 40%
    Ireland 34%
    England/NWE: 18%
    Scotland: 3%
    Germanic Europe: 4%
    Baltics: 1%

    Mother:
    Ireland: 55%
    England/NWE: 28%
    Scotland: 7%
    Sweden & Denmark: 8%
    Wales: 2%

    Not a bad estimate overall, nor much different from previous iterations, but my Scotland estimate is now higher than the combined Scotland estimates of both my parents. To be fair, northern English/Scots-Irish/Ulster Scots DNA can admittedly be hard to disentangle.
    Last edited by lehmannt; 04-13-2022 at 07:38 PM.
    Paper Trail: 37.5% England and Colonial America, 37.5% Ireland, 12.5% Sweden, 11% Alsace (distant Switzerland), 1.5% SW Germany

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    Here are my updated results.

    Scotland
    86%

    Communities
    North East Scotland & the Northern Isles
    (Moray & Gordon
    Fife & Angus
    Banff & Buchan)
    Scottish Highlands & Islands

    Ireland
    8%

    Sweden & Denmark
    3%

    England & Northwestern Europe
    3%

    I've also got New Zealand settlers as a genetic community.

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  5. #23
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    The ethnicity inheritance is kind of neat, otherwise my dad's update is a mixed bag and not much of an improvement:

    Dad ancestry DNA update 2022.png

    These were his previous results compared to the ones before last year's update:

    63% England and NW Europe (up from 61%)
    18% Germanic Europe (up from 15%)
    9% Sweden and Denmark (down from 11% Sweden)
    9% Scotland (down from 11%)
    1% Ireland (down from 2%)

    The most disappointing thing is that his "Germanic Europe" has completely disappeared now. He is approx. 25% Dutch (half of which is recent immigrant ancestry rather than colonial settlers) and 8% German, so that should at least give him something. Instead, it seems to have shifted to England and NW Europe (he's approx. 50% English on paper, maybe slightly more) and Scandinavian (12.5% Danish on paper), both of which are inflated.

    The only positive I see is that the inflated Scottish has gone down to something more reasonable and the Irish ancestry remains stable and fairly accurate.

    All in all, not terrible, but not great. His initial results were pretty underwhelming, so all subsequent updates are an improvement over those.

    The split they give him for his ethnicity inheritance characterizes his mother's ancestry as overwhelmingly "English and NW Europe". Her ancestry is entirely colonial American, and is more heavily English, but also includes substantial Dutch and German colonial roots. His father's ancestry is correctly characterized as being more diverse in terms of subregions within NW Europe, but with the Germanic Europe now missing it's not entirely accurate. Of course they don't tell you which parent is which, but it's easy for me to guess.

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    Interesting.

    My old results

    England & Northwestern Europe 38% (Range: 38%55%)
    Scotland 15% (Range: 0%24%)
    Germanic Europe 12% (Range: 0%36%)
    Wales 7% (Range: 0%13%)
    Southern China 6% (Range: 1%11%)
    Southern Bantu Peoples 4% (Range: 0%9%)
    Cameroon, Congo & Western Bantu Peoples 3% (Range: 0%7%)
    Sweden & Denmark 3% (Range: 0%8%)
    Eastern Bantu Peoples 2% (Range: 0%6%)
    Ireland 2% (Range: 0%6%)
    Southern India 2% (Range: 0%4%)
    Southern Philippines 2% (Range: 0%4%)
    Southeast Asia 1% (Range: 0%5%)
    Southern Japanese Islands 1% (Range: 0%4%)
    Northern China 1% (Range: 0%4%)
    Northern India 1% (Range: 0%4%)

    My New Results

    England & Northwestern Europe 52% (Range: 41%57%) Increase 14%
    Scotland 12% (Range: 0%24%) Decrease 3%
    Southern China 8% (Range: 4%10%) Increase 2%
    Sweden & Denmark 6% (Range: 0%15%) Increase 3%
    Wales 5% (Range: 0%15%) Decrease 2%
    Cameroon, Congo & Western Bantu Peoples 4% (Range: 0%7%) Increase 1%
    Southern Bantu Peoples 3% (Range: 0%8%) Decrease 1%
    Southern India 2% (Range: 0%4%) Same
    Germanic Europe 2% (Range: 0%20%) Decrease 10%
    Eastern Bantu Peoples 1% (Range: 0%6%) Decrease 1%
    Khoisan, Aka & Mbuti Peoples 1% (Range: 0%-2%) NEW
    Dai 1% (Range: 0%-3%) NEW
    Southeast Asia 1% (Range: 0%4%) Same
    Southern Philippines 1% (Range: 0%2%) Decrease 1%
    Norway 1% (Range: 0%5%) New

    Removed:
    Ireland
    Southern Japanese Islands
    Northern China
    Northern India

    The even more interesting part comes where it tries to separate it out into parents Parent 1 is clearly my dad, and parent 2 my mum. Seeing as on 23andme my dad is 99.8% European with the other 0.2% changing every other update (It's been switching between Southeast Asian and SSA between various updates). I find it interesting that Ancestry thinks I got 1% Southern China, 1% Southern India, 1% Dai and <1% Southern Bantu from Parent 1 I think it also highlights the NW European overlap because it thinks I've got 6% Sweden and Denmark, 5% Wales, 1% Norway all from Parent 2 and out of those my mum only has 1% Wales on her results and 50% England & NW Europe. I've included my parental inheritance chart from 23andme for comparison. I think it did a better job with my mum but hers was easier because 1 parent was completely England & NW Europe (her SW English mother) and the rest was on her Mauritian Creole father's side.

     






    Ethnogene: 51.4% NW European, 21.6% W European, 10.1% Southeastern African, 9.5% Southeast Asian, 4.4% South Asian, 2% Scandinavian, 1% East African
    Papertrail @ 3xggrandparents: 31.25% London, 21.875% Dorset, 18.75% Mauritius, 6.25% Netherlands, 6.25% China 6.25% Hampshire 6.25% Buckinghamshire 3.125% Somerset

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    Both of my parents have tested at Ancestry.
    I'm shown as getting all of my Sweden & Denmark, Norway, Eastern Europe & Russia from Parent 1 (which would appear to be my father) and all of my Ireland from Parent 2 (which appears to be my mother).

    My grandparents known ethnicities are mostly as follows:
    Paternal grandmother: German (closest to my father's Parent 1)
    Paternal grandfather: Irish/Scottish/English (closest to my father's Parent 2)
    Maternal grandmother: Irish/French Canadian (closest to my mother's parent 2)
    Maternal grandfather: English (closest to my mother's Parent 1)


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    Eastern Europe 71%
    Balkans 28%
    Aegean islands 1%

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    Before I comment on this latest update, here's my "ethnicity" according to my family tree. This tree has pretty good support from Ancestry's "ThruLines" for most of my 5th great grandparents.

    British & Irish 39.80%
    German 35.16%
    Alsatian 6.25%
    French 3.12%
    Swiss 1.17%
    Menorcan Spanish 12.50%
    Indigenous American 1.95%

    Now here's Ancestry's estimate from just before the latest update:

    England & Northwestern Europe 58%
    Scotland 25%
    Wales 6%
    Ireland 4%
    German 4%
    Finland 1%
    Indigenous Americas - North 1%
    Indigenous Americas - Mexico <1%

    Here's the current estimate:

    England and Northwestern Europe 75%
    Scotland 20%
    Indigenous Americas - North 2%
    Central Asia - South 1%
    Finland 1%
    Portugal 1%
    Spanish <1%

    Now, as you look at these estimates consider this: customers have the option of showing only the "in common" ancestries to matches or "all" ancestries. So what that means is that even though I have a much larger percentage of Spanish ancestry -- potentially greater than 10% -- that Ancestry showed in the previous estimates, I couldn't see any Spanish for my matches who might have had Spanish if they checked to show only in common ancestries. Now, however, with over one-third of my ancestry consisting of "Palatine" German, I won't see any German in matches who have made this choice -- even where they have such ancestry.

    In addition, let's look at their "ethnicity inheritance" feature. First, here are the latest results for my wife:

    England & Northwestern Europe 48%
    Ireland 26%
    Scotland 21%
    Sweden & Denmark 3%
    Wales 2%

    She gets no "Germanic Europe", either, even though her mother's maternal grandmother's mother was actually born in Bavaria. That would be (1) my wife's 2nd great grandmother, with 2nd great grandparents accounting for an average of 6.25% of autosomal DNA; and (2) my wife's most distant known mtDNA ancestor.

    Even if the inheritance from this woman is less than that 6.25%, that's still well above none. In addition, the 2nd great grandfather from this couple was born in America but had German-born parents.

    Now, here are the results for our daughter:

    England & Northwestern Europe 67%
    Ireland 13%
    Scotland 8%
    Wales 6%
    Norway 2%
    Germanic Europe 2%
    Indigenous Americas - North 1%
    Portugal 1%

    So first, Kathryn got all 6% of her "Wales" from her mother, even though her mother only has 2% (and I have none).
    She got 5% of her Scotland from her mother and 3% from me -- so not very much of either of our totals.
    Kathryn apparently got her 2% "Norway" from my 0%. Neat trick.
    She also got her 2% "Germanic Europe" from my 0% -- so another neat trick.

    The other ancestries can at least be explained without magic.
    Besides British-German-Catalan, ancestry includes smaller amounts of French, Irish, Swiss, Choctaw & another NA tribe, possibly Catawba. Avatar picture is: my father, his father, & his father's father; baby is my eldest brother.

    GB

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    The took my german and dumped it into northwest Europe. At least they finally found my Eastern Europe at an accurate amount of 6%

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    Quote Originally Posted by geebee View Post
    Before I comment on this latest update, here's my "ethnicity" according to my family tree. This tree has pretty good support from Ancestry's "ThruLines" for most of my 5th great grandparents.

    British & Irish 39.80%
    German 35.16%
    Alsatian 6.25%
    French 3.12%
    Swiss 1.17%
    Menorcan Spanish 12.50%
    Indigenous American 1.95%

    Now here's Ancestry's estimate from just before the latest update:

    England & Northwestern Europe 58%
    Scotland 25%
    Wales 6%
    Ireland 4%
    German 4%
    Finland 1%
    Indigenous Americas - North 1%
    Indigenous Americas - Mexico <1%

    Here's the current estimate:

    England and Northwestern Europe 75%
    Scotland 20%
    Indigenous Americas - North 2%
    Central Asia - South 1%
    Finland 1%
    Portugal 1%
    Spanish <1%

    Now, as you look at these estimates consider this: customers have the option of showing only the "in common" ancestries to matches or "all" ancestries. So what that means is that even though I have a much larger percentage of Spanish ancestry -- potentially greater than 10% -- that Ancestry showed in the previous estimates, I couldn't see any Spanish for my matches who might have had Spanish if they checked to show only in common ancestries. Now, however, with over one-third of my ancestry consisting of "Palatine" German, I won't see any German in matches who have made this choice -- even where they have such ancestry.

    In addition, let's look at their "ethnicity inheritance" feature. First, here are the latest results for my wife:

    England & Northwestern Europe 48%
    Ireland 26%
    Scotland 21%
    Sweden & Denmark 3%
    Wales 2%

    She gets no "Germanic Europe", either, even though her mother's maternal grandmother's mother was actually born in Bavaria. That would be (1) my wife's 2nd great grandmother, with 2nd great grandparents accounting for an average of 6.25% of autosomal DNA; and (2) my wife's most distant known mtDNA ancestor.

    Even if the inheritance from this woman is less than that 6.25%, that's still well above none. In addition, the 2nd great grandfather from this couple was born in America but had German-born parents.

    Now, here are the results for our daughter:

    England & Northwestern Europe 67%
    Ireland 13%
    Scotland 8%
    Wales 6%
    Norway 2%
    Germanic Europe 2%
    Indigenous Americas - North 1%
    Portugal 1%

    So first, Kathryn got all 6% of her "Wales" from her mother, even though her mother only has 2% (and I have none).
    She got 5% of her Scotland from her mother and 3% from me -- so not very much of either of our totals.
    Kathryn apparently got her 2% "Norway" from my 0%. Neat trick.
    She also got her 2% "Germanic Europe" from my 0% -- so another neat trick.

    The other ancestries can at least be explained without magic.
    EDIT: What's kind of funny is that Kathryn's info -- like everyone else's -- says "This information comes from your results -- not from testing your parents". The problem for Ancestry is that they did test both of her parents, making contradictions more obvious.

    EDIT2: Also, here's the reality. Ancestry is not inherited in percentages, but in chromosomes -- 23 from each parent. Ancestry ignores both the X and the Y for "ethnicity" purposes, and as far as I know even for matching. But the key point is that any analysis that can only give you percentages can't be relied on. If you're shown an ancestry painting and you can compare that to relatives' ancestry painting, then it might actually be worth paying a little attention to. Otherwise, it's just a game.

    (Obviously, I was just trying to edit my original post. Didn't mean to quote the darn thing. But I suppose it doesn't really matter.)
    Last edited by geebee; 04-13-2022 at 09:06 PM.
    Besides British-German-Catalan, ancestry includes smaller amounts of French, Irish, Swiss, Choctaw & another NA tribe, possibly Catawba. Avatar picture is: my father, his father, & his father's father; baby is my eldest brother.

    GB

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    So Americans still appear to have issues but the results seem to be accurate for BI people.

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