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    Ancient DNA gives new insights into a Norman Neolithic cemetery (discussion)

    URL="https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2120786119"]Ancient DNA gives new insights into a Norman Neolithic monumental cemetery dedicated to male elites[/URL]
    Maïté Rivollat, Aline Thomas, Emmanuel Ghesquière, Adam Benjamin Rohrlach, Ellen Späth, Marie-Hélène Pemonge, Wolfgang Haak, Philippe Chambon, and Marie-France Deguilloux
    April 21, 2022| https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2120786119

    Significance
    By integrating genomic and archaeological data, we provide new insights into the Neolithic French monumental site of Fleury-sur-Orne in Normandy, where a group of selected individuals was buried in impressively long monuments. The earliest individuals buried at Fleury-sur-Orne match the expected western European Neolithic genetic diversity, while three individuals, designated as genetic outliers, were buried after 4,000 calibrated BCE. We hypothesize that different, unrelated families or clans used the site over several centuries. Thirteen of 14 of the analyzed individuals were male, indicating an overarching patrilineal system. However, one exception, a female buried with a symbolically male artifact, suggests that the embodiment of the male gender in death was required to access burial at the monumental structures.

    Abstract
    The Middle Neolithic in western Europe is characterized by monumental funerary structures, known as megaliths, along the Atlantic façade. The first manifestations of this phenomenon occurred in modern-day France with the long mounds of the Cerny culture. Here, we present genome-wide data from the fifth-millennium BCE site of Fleury-sur-Orne in Normandy (France), famous for its impressively long monuments built for selected individuals. The site encompasses 32 monuments of variable sizes, containing the burials of 19 individuals from the Neolithic period. To address who was buried at the site, we generated genome-wide data for 14 individuals, of whom 13 are males, completing previously published data [M. Rivollat et al., Sci. Adv. 6, eaaz5344 (2020)]. Population genetic and Y chromosome analyses show that the Fleury-sur-Orne group fits within western European Neolithic genetic diversity and that the arrival of a new group is detected after 4,000 calibrated BCE. The results of analyzing uniparentally inherited markers and an overall low number of long runs of homozygosity suggest a patrilineal group practicing female exogamy. We find two pairs of individuals to be father and son, buried together in the same monument/grave. No other biological relationship can link monuments together, suggesting that each monument was dedicated to a genetically independent lineage. The combined data and documented father–son line of descent suggest a male-mediated transmission of sociopolitical authority. However, a single female buried with an arrowhead, otherwise considered a symbol of power of the male elite of the Cerny culture, questions a strictly biological sex bias in the burial rites of this otherwise “masculine” monumental cemetery.

    Data Overview
    Here, we present genome-wide data for the complete Neolithic site of Fleury-sur-Orne, which adds six new individuals to the previously published data (29), resulting in a total of 15 of the 19 Neolithic individuals discovered at the site who yielded ancient DNA results.

    Data Availability
    Wide-genome data have been deposited in the European Nucleotide Archive (ENA, accession no. PRJEB51061).
    --- not there yet (Apr 22, 2022 6:35PDT)
    Last edited by pmokeefe; 04-22-2022 at 01:47 PM.
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    Data Set S04 has the yDna calls. Mainly G2, H2, and two I2 samples.

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    "We genotyped our bam files with pileupCaller (https://github.com/stschiff/sequence.../SequenceTools) by randomly calling one allele per position, effectively considering the human genome to be a pseudohaploid genome. We called the SNPs according to the HO (∼600,000 SNPs) (31, 32) and the 1,240k panel (30). Numbers of SNPs covered at least once are given in Dataset S1."

    Is this standard practice? Seems a pity not to try to extract all the information present in such precious samples. Presumably the coverage is so low that there are very few heterozygous sites callable, but there should be at least some, by the luck of the draw?
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    Interesting part here:

    Lastly, we also explored distal sources of ancestry in individual 24-5 via qpAdm and detected about 17% ancestry of a component maximized in Neolithic Iranians (P value = 0.76) (Fig. 3C). This represents another Neolithic source than the source mainly involved in the diffusion across Europe, traces of which have also been found in a few Neolithic groups all over Europe and contemporaneous Chalcolithic groups from southeastern Europe (Dataset S7 and SI Appendix, Fig. S5) (51, 52). This component might have been sporadically carried along with the western Anatolian component by expanding early farmers during the Neolithic diffusion and explains the clear differentiation of our individual 24-5 compared with the Fleury-sur-Orne group before 4,000 cal. BCE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    Interesting part here:
    Unfortunately "Due to a very low number of Y-chromosome SNPs, individual 24-5 is assigned to haplogroup H2*, without further resolution possible."
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    Interesting part here:
    Seems likely that this can be said about Y-DNA J showing up recently in a Neolithic sample from Belgium as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmokeefe View Post
    Unfortunately "Due to a very low number of Y-chromosome SNPs, individual 24-5 is assigned to haplogroup H2*, without further resolution possible."
    it is also stated
    Fleury-sur-Orne individuals mostly carry subhaplogroups of J, K, T, and H, which are characteristic of Neolithic farmers (40, 41).

    link is with the studies of Brandt who looked at Karsdorf germany Neolithic and found only ydna markers of G, T1 and H2




    Karsdorf ( 7100yBP - Early Neolithic ) LBK Culture

    I0795 ( 7076 ± 90 yBP )
    House/Phase: S / 2
    Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197 (xBY154289)
    mtDNA: H1 or H1au1b*
    Sr isotope: Native to Unstruttal
    Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0): -20.0 / 9.0 (highest Animal Protein)
    Age at Death: 45-60
    Death Position: Flexed Left northeast
    Other ID: KAR6/Feature 170/Musm.no. 2006:14423a
    Sample: Tooth / Rib
    Read Pairs:
    Mean Coverage:
    Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM

    I0797 ( 7087 ± 725 yBP )
    House/Phase: H / 2
    Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197 (xBY154289)
    mtDNA: H46b
    Sr isotope: Native to Unstruttal
    Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0): -20.2 / 9.1 (highest Animal Protein)
    Age at Death: 24-26
    Death Position: Stretched Dorsal northwest
    Other ID: KAR16a/Feature 611/Musm.no. 2004:26374a
    Sample: Tooth / Rib
    Read Pairs:
    Mean Coverage:
    Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM

    Kars537 ( 6958 ± 49 yBP )


    House/Phase: O / 2
    Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197 (xBY154289)
    mtDNA: J1c6a
    Sr isotope: Native to Unstruttal ( Rang Group limit )
    Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0): -19.7 / 8.9 (highest Animal Protein)
    Age at Death: 25–30
    Death Position: Stretched Dorsal southeast
    Other ID: Feature 537 / Museum no 2004:26340a / 14C id KIA-40357
    Sample: Skull
    Read Pairs: 122,568,310
    Mean Coverage: 2.96X
    Virus: Hepatitis B ( HBV )
    Autosomal notes: High CHG
    Files: FASTQ / FASTQ (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-SAM=>sorted BAM)

    Karsdorf settlement


    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14317
    doi: https://doi.org/10.1038/nature14317

    https://elifesciences.org/articles/36666
    doi https://doi.org/10.7554/eLife.36666.001

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    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtDna
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    Interesting part here:
    Have we ever heard of this before? It seems weird that this ancestry would pop up in the region and nowhere in between.

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    In the Supporting Information PDF we can find other "European" individuals with the same Iranian component - Figure S5
    https://www.pnas.org/doi/suppl/10.10...86119.sapp.pdf

    Figure S5. qpAdm model using Anatolia Neolithic, Iran Neolithic and WHG as sources and Mbuti.DG, Papuan.DG Onge.DG Han.DG Karitiana.DG Ethiopia_4500BP.SG Ust_Ishim_HG_published.DG, Russia_MA1_HG.SG Czech_Vestonice Italy_Villabruna Israel_Natufian CHG and AHG as outgroups
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    In the Supporting Information PDF we can find other "European" individuals with the same Iranian component - Figure S5
    https://www.pnas.org/doi/suppl/10.10...86119.sapp.pdf

    Figure S5. qpAdm model using Anatolia Neolithic, Iran Neolithic and WHG as sources and Mbuti.DG, Papuan.DG Onge.DG Han.DG Karitiana.DG Ethiopia_4500BP.SG Ust_Ishim_HG_published.DG, Russia_MA1_HG.SG Czech_Vestonice Italy_Villabruna Israel_Natufian CHG and AHG as outgroups
    It seems still quite sporadic, which is not what you would expect, maybe it's traders? That doesn't make much sense either.

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