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    Descendant of the Germanic tribes (Goths, Gepids)?

    Distance to: HUN_early_Avar:AN286
    0.02385295 Dutch:GSM1634012
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    0.02683479 Danish:GSM1985723
    0.02685960 Dutch:Netherlands21
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    0.02709461 Danish:435
    0.02737120 Norwegian:GSM1550634
    0.02756516 Danish:GSM1985829
    0.02758427 Swedish:GSM1884922
    0.02811708 Swedish:Sweden7
    0.02835607 Swedish:GSM1884788
    0.02843376 Swedish:GSM1884825
    0.02846371 Swedish:Sweden10
    0.02848442 Norwegian:NOR108

    Target: HUN_early_Avar:AN286
    Distance: 1.2970% / 0.01297033 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    47.6 Dutch
    24.0 Swedish
    21.0 Icelandic
    7.4 German

    Distance to: HUN_early_Avar:AN286
    0.02808559 POL_Weklice_Goths_50BC-200AD:R10626
    0.02855154 POL_Weklice_Goths_50BC-200AD:R10634
    0.03192986 POL_Weklice_Goths_50BC-200AD:R10631
    0.03544247 POL_Weklice_Goths_50BC-200AD:R10636

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    Distance to: HUN_Conqueror_elite:AGY75
    0.02462674 Slovakian:Slovakia96
    0.02488995 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600062
    0.02558681 Polish:Polish26
    0.02561346 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600076
    0.02611908 Polish:S_Polish-1
    0.02731021 Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-203
    0.02755702 Sorb_Niederlausitz:Niederlausitz1
    0.02854378 Ukrainian_Dnipro:EG600072
    0.02894478 Slovakian:Slovakia85
    0.02932646 Slovakian:Slovakia77
    0.02969872 Croatian:Croatia_Cro133
    0.02977130 Polish:Polish27
    0.03029738 Ukrainian_Chernihiv:EG600051
    0.03031655 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600034
    0.03041698 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600096
    0.03055043 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600095
    0.03100498 Polish:Polish22
    0.03135878 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr:EG600046
    0.03147549 Ukrainian_Rivne:EG600043
    0.03166137 Ukrainian_Chernihiv:EG600053
    0.03184820 Polish:Polish28
    0.03197936 Polish:Polish39
    0.03264930 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600063
    0.03320317 Ukrainian_Sumy:EG600083
    0.03326345 Slovakian:Slovakia94

    Target: HUN_Conqueror_elite:AGY75
    Distance: 1.7658% / 0.01765765 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    24.4 Polish
    18.2 Sorb_Niederlausitz
    16.2 Russian_Belgorod
    16.0 Slovakian
    12.0 Moldovan_o
    8.0 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
    5.2 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
    AGY-75: Grave No. 75:
    It has been found in the northern group, near to grave No. 49. A middle-adult male with a Europid type of skull was buried in the grave with a bronze bracelet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    Distance to: HUN_Conqueror_elite:VPB167
    0.02783572 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600014
    0.02820116 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600061
    0.02876312 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600009
    0.02922720 Czech:NA15727
    0.02926461 Slovenian:Slovenian147
    0.03079767 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600033
    0.03095127 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600005
    0.03185009 Croatian:Croatia_Cro302
    0.03207519 Hungarian:HungarianC5
    0.03333891 Czech:NA15728
    0.03383085 Polish:Polish33
    0.03387982 German_Erlangen:GSM1658615
    0.03393286 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600036
    0.03396251 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600064
    0.03404109 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600018
    0.03522380 Austrian:Austria5
    0.03527453 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600035
    0.03547902 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600089
    0.03597722 Russian_Orel:Rorl-114
    0.03602954 Polish:Polish24
    0.03648793 Ukrainian_Rivne:EG600043
    0.03667751 Moldovan:44618757582C02
    0.03674348 Russian_Orel:russianOrjol100
    0.03686600 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600006
    0.03694428 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr:EG600047

    Target: HUN_Conqueror_elite:VPB167
    Distance: 2.0470% / 0.02047044 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    25.6 Polish
    24.4 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
    20.2 Serbian
    19.4 Ukrainian_Lviv
    10.4 German
    VPB-167: Grave No. 167:
    It was the burial of a middle adult male. The grave goods were a sword (type H in Petersenís system), a lyre-shaped bronze buckle, ornamented strap-holder, and a knife. The burial was dated to the (1st quarter of the) 10th century CE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    Distance to: HUN_Conqueror_elite:VPB167
    0.02783572 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600014
    0.02820116 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600061
    0.02876312 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600009
    0.02922720 Czech:NA15727
    0.02926461 Slovenian:Slovenian147
    0.03079767 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600033
    0.03095127 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600005
    0.03185009 Croatian:Croatia_Cro302
    0.03207519 Hungarian:HungarianC5
    0.03333891 Czech:NA15728
    0.03383085 Polisholish33
    0.03387982 German_Erlangen:GSM1658615
    0.03393286 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600036
    0.03396251 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600064
    0.03404109 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600018
    0.03522380 Austrian:Austria5
    0.03527453 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600035
    0.03547902 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600089
    0.03597722 Russian_Orel:Rorl-114
    0.03602954 Polisholish24
    0.03648793 Ukrainian_Rivne:EG600043
    0.03667751 Moldovan:44618757582C02
    0.03674348 Russian_Orel:russianOrjol100
    0.03686600 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600006
    0.03694428 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr:EG600047

    Target: HUN_Conqueror_elite:VPB167
    Distance: 2.0470% / 0.02047044 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    25.6 Polish
    24.4 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
    20.2 Serbian
    19.4 Ukrainian_Lviv
    10.4 German
    Where did you find the G25 coordinates of the conquerors?
    Distance to: Andre_scaled
    0.02583256 Romanian
    0.02667704 Bulgarian
    0.02737525 Serbian
    0.02810268 Moldovan
    0.03027589 Macedonian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Where did you find the G25 coordinates of the conquerors?
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post856597

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    Baltic woman??

    Distance to: HUN_early_Avar:CSB9
    0.02441369 Latvian:latvian54H7
    0.02754660 Latvian:latvian22J5
    0.02890770 Lithuanian_VZ:LTG-587
    0.02941048 Lithuanian_PZ:LTG-293
    0.03155985 Lithuanian_PZ:LTG-748
    0.03244993 Lithuanian_PZ:LTG-773
    0.03247275 Lithuanian_VZ:LTG-935
    0.03269053 Lithuanian_RA:LTG-225
    0.03283158 Lithuanian_PZ:LTG-759
    0.03483188 Lithuanian_SZ:LTG-1123
    0.03623571 Lithuanian_PZ:LTG-895
    0.03665315 Lithuanian_RA:LTG-21
    0.03668490 Lithuanian_VZ:LTG-592
    0.03678466 Lithuanian_RA:LTG-325
    0.03698466 Lithuanian_SZ:LTG-1127
    0.03706573 Belarusian:Belarusian2
    0.03716651 Lithuanian_SZ:LTG-678
    0.03745758 Lithuanian_PA:LTG-396
    0.03747877 Lithuanian_PZ:LTG-1099
    0.03777026 Lithuanian_VZ:LTG-529
    0.03829072 Lithuanian_SZ:LTG-1112
    0.03830662 Lithuanian_SZ:LTG-918
    0.03835464 Lithuanian_RA:LTG-26
    0.03900310 Lithuanian_VA:LTG-502
    0.03915533 Lithuanian_SZ:LTG-661

    Target: HUN_early_Avar:CSB9
    Distance: 2.0898% / 0.02089781
    79.8 Latvian
    9.4 Lithuanian_RA
    5.8 Lithuanian_PZ
    2.2 Russian_Pskov
    1.6 Lak
    0.6 Lithuanian_VZ
    0.6 Manyika

    CSB-9: Grave No. 9 (Early Avar period):
    The remains of an adult female were found at a depth of 118 cm. The E-W oriented grave pit was 59-47 cm wide and 211 cm long. Both hands of the deceased rested on the pelvis. An iron buckle was found here, while earrings with a spherical pendant were found around the temporal bone. A fragment of a dished grey ceramic vessel was also recovered from the grave. The burial can be dated to the Early Avar period based on the earrings and the orientation.
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    Distance to: Croatian
    0.01954223 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:SZA29
    0.02444258 HUN_late_Avar:OBT3
    0.02489639 HUN_Conqueror_elite:SE64
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    0.02738957 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:IBE154
    0.02795401 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:HMSZ157
    0.02872624 HUN_late_Avar:OBT56
    0.03073786 HUN_early_Arpadian_commoner:NTH20
    0.03115308 HUN_early_Arpadian_commoner:MH88
    0.03145185 HUN_middle_Avar:KDA485
    0.03199384 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:PLE23
    0.03217916 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:IBE206
    0.03303905 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:SH12
    0.03324456 HUN_early_Avar:SZOD1829
    0.03342877 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:IBE176
    0.03356743 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:HMSZ43
    0.03474696 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:HMSZ245
    0.03488366 HUN_early_Arpadian_commoner:IBE106
    0.03499845 HUN_early_Arpadian_commoner:IBE116
    0.03510696 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:PLE57
    0.03522007 HUN_Conqueror_elite:TCS18
    0.03563550 HUN_late_Avar:TMH1273
    0.03664851 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:SH98

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    Quote Originally Posted by bce View Post
    If that was the case, then the later Avars would have at least some Slavic autosomal, and some Slavic y-dna too, since some Slavic men would be assimilated with time.
    There are many samples with Slavic-like admixture. They start to appear in the late Avar period.
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    And there are a lot (I mean A LOT) of Southern Europeans in the Avar period...

    Distance to: Greek_Thessaly
    0.02048095 HUN_late_Avar:SZKT265
    0.02328521 HUN_late_Avar:SZKT311
    0.02348739 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:HMSZ86
    0.02352874 HUN_middle_Avar:HH102
    0.02468847 HUN_middle_Avar:SSD144
    0.02514397 HUN_late_Avar:KK1541
    0.02526752 HUN_Conqueror_elite:K233
    0.02811169 HUN_Conqueror_elite:SE114
    0.02833213 HUN_late_Avar:HH10
    0.02858759 HUN_late_Avar:JHT30
    0.02911573 HUN_late_Avar:SZK130
    0.02978689 HUN_middle_Avar:SZK83
    0.03016429 HUN_middle_Avar:SZM259
    0.03141360 HUN_late_Avar:ARK38
    0.03185864 HUN_late_Avar:KK1368
    0.03211293 HUN_earlymiddle_Avar:KPM14
    0.03282529 HUN_middle_Avar:SZM38
    0.03315842 HUN_late_Avar:JHT130
    0.03332668 HUN_middle_Avar:SZM255
    0.03365307 HUN_late_Avar:ALT414
    0.03367591 HUN_late_Avar:ALT596
    0.03385316 HUN_early_Avar:MM131
    0.03406115 HUN_late_Avar:OBT108
    0.03413538 HUN_earlymiddle_Avar:ALT77
    0.03486161 HUN_middle_Avar:SSD198

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    And there are a lot (I mean A LOT) of Southern Europeans in the Avar period...

    Distance to: Greek_Thessaly
    0.02048095 HUN_late_Avar:SZKT265
    0.02328521 HUN_late_Avar:SZKT311
    0.02348739 HUN_Conqueror_commoner:HMSZ86
    0.02352874 HUN_middle_Avar:HH102
    0.02468847 HUN_middle_Avar:SSD144
    0.02514397 HUN_late_Avar:KK1541
    0.02526752 HUN_Conqueror_elite:K233
    0.02811169 HUN_Conqueror_elite:SE114
    0.02833213 HUN_late_Avar:HH10
    0.02858759 HUN_late_Avar:JHT30
    0.02911573 HUN_late_Avar:SZK130
    0.02978689 HUN_middle_Avar:SZK83
    0.03016429 HUN_middle_Avar:SZM259
    0.03141360 HUN_late_Avar:ARK38
    0.03185864 HUN_late_Avar:KK1368
    0.03211293 HUN_earlymiddle_Avar:KPM14
    0.03282529 HUN_middle_Avar:SZM38
    0.03315842 HUN_late_Avar:JHT130
    0.03332668 HUN_middle_Avar:SZM255
    0.03365307 HUN_late_Avar:ALT414
    0.03367591 HUN_late_Avar:ALT596
    0.03385316 HUN_early_Avar:MM131
    0.03406115 HUN_late_Avar:OBT108
    0.03413538 HUN_earlymiddle_Avar:ALT77
    0.03486161 HUN_middle_Avar:SSD198
    I picked up the E-V13 samples for comparison:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post856629

    Slavic seems to be rather lower in them than other European samples. I have chosen CZE Early Slavic though, which is a bit admixed already. What's the best (least admixed, but not too much Baltic shifted, so just right for newly incoming Pannonian Slavs) currently available Slavic source? Still AV2?

    I used AV2 in any case:


    https://ibb.co/Y3H5fp8

    The most striking result is for AV1, the Slavic mixed individual. It can be modelled fully with Slavic plus Channelled Ware/Sarmatian era Transtisza ancestry!
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