Slavic Chronology

[rozenfeld]

I thought these samples were early medieval and migration era? The POH prefix seems familiar

POH is probably Pohansko in Moravia.

[rozenfeld]

Well of course:

Originally Posted by ambron

Arza, I already know - LIB is Breclav-Libiva (5th century), POH is Pohansko (early Middle Ages). There is little LIB, so maybe you can analyze it.
April 15, 2021 at 2:48 AM

[Mis]

Test @Coldmountains
Target: LIB7
Distance: 1.1997% / 0.01199703 (OK!!)
50.6 Baltic_LVA_BA
24.8 Carpathian_Basin_BA_IA
14.6 Scythian_MDA
5.4 TUR_Barcin_N
3.2 Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash
1.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

[Coldmountains]

Test @Coldmountains
Target: LIB7
Distance: 1.1997% / 0.01199703 (OK!!)
50.6 Baltic_LVA_BA
24.8 Carpathian_Basin_BA_IA
14.6 Scythian_MDA
5.4 TUR_Barcin_N
3.2 Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash
1.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

It is a super interesting data point but what exactly would it tell about the homeland of Proto-Slavs? Either it is misdated or an earlier Proto-Slavic immigrant. We have already found two Balto-Slavic outliners from Roman-era Serbia and they predated Balto-Slavic migration much more. Also the other sample from the same site LIB5 is R1b and seemingly clusters with North Italians so looks like a mixed archaeological site

[Mis]

No one disputes the arrival of the Slavs from Eastern Europe. The dispute is only about time. There were at least three waves.

[ambron]

It is a super interesting data point but what exactly would it tell about the homeland of Proto-Slavs? Either it is misdated or an earlier Proto-Slavic immigrant. We have already found two Balto-Slavic outliners from Roman-era Serbia and they predated Balto-Slavic migration much more. Also the other sample from the same site LIB5 is R1b and seemingly clusters with North Italians so looks like a mixed archaeological site

LIB7 and LIB11 are already two genetic Slavs from pre-medieval Moravia.

[Mis]

This is a test for a West Slav
Distance to: LIB7
0.02213741 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 (OK!!) This is the great grandfather of Greater Poland
0.03185748 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2

[ambron]

No one disputes the arrival of the Slavs from Eastern Europe. The dispute is only about time. There were at least three waves.

Czech archaeobiologists, such as Jaromir Benes, see the problem of Slavicization of their lands as follows:

"This was the period after the fall of the Roman Empire when ethnic groups composed mainly of young warriors circulated. These warriors passed through different territories and migrated, but sometimes returned home. Raiding was their favorite economic activity. In this form we can imagine the arrival of the Czechs to the Bohemian Basin. These proto-Czech invaders also seem to have come from a nearby location, most likely from Poland. Archaeologists believe that such militant bands created new settlements that functioned separately from the locals for a century or two. Gradually, as development continued, the local population was subjugated. The language and culture of the conquerors became dominant, but the main genetic footprint less so."

[ambron]

This is a test for a West Slav
Distance to: LIB7
0.02213741 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 (OK!!) This is the great grandfather of Greater Poland
0.03185748 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2

That would be in line with what Benes said.

[Mis]

As for strong contacts, I agree 100%
Look where he came from.Target: LIB7
Distance: 2.3068% / 0.02306821
51.0 Magyar_West_Eurasian:HUN_Conqueror_elite_AGY75
43.6 Magyar_West_Eurasian:HUN_Conqueror_elite_VPB167
5.4 Magyar_West_Eurasian:HUN_Conqueror_elite_MH19

His ancestors may have been in Węger during the Copper Age