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    Quote Originally Posted by Technocrat View Post
    I thought these samples were early medieval and migration era? The POH prefix seems familiar
    POH is probably Pohansko in Moravia.

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    Well of course:

    Originally Posted by ambron

    Arza, I already know - LIB is Breclav-Libiva (5th century), POH is Pohansko (early Middle Ages). There is little LIB, so maybe you can analyze it.
    April 15, 2021 at 2:48 AM

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    Test @Coldmountains
    Target: LIB7
    Distance: 1.1997% / 0.01199703 (OK!!)
    50.6 Baltic_LVA_BA
    24.8 Carpathian_Basin_BA_IA
    14.6 Scythian_MDA
    5.4 TUR_Barcin_N
    3.2 Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash
    1.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mis View Post
    Test @Coldmountains
    Target: LIB7
    Distance: 1.1997% / 0.01199703 (OK!!)
    50.6 Baltic_LVA_BA
    24.8 Carpathian_Basin_BA_IA
    14.6 Scythian_MDA
    5.4 TUR_Barcin_N
    3.2 Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash
    1.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    It is a super interesting data point but what exactly would it tell about the homeland of Proto-Slavs? Either it is misdated or an earlier Proto-Slavic immigrant. We have already found two Balto-Slavic outliners from Roman-era Serbia and they predated Balto-Slavic migration much more. Also the other sample from the same site LIB5 is R1b and seemingly clusters with North Italians so looks like a mixed archaeological site

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    No one disputes the arrival of the Slavs from Eastern Europe. The dispute is only about time. There were at least three waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    It is a super interesting data point but what exactly would it tell about the homeland of Proto-Slavs? Either it is misdated or an earlier Proto-Slavic immigrant. We have already found two Balto-Slavic outliners from Roman-era Serbia and they predated Balto-Slavic migration much more. Also the other sample from the same site LIB5 is R1b and seemingly clusters with North Italians so looks like a mixed archaeological site
    LIB7 and LIB11 are already two genetic Slavs from pre-medieval Moravia.

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    This is a test for a West Slav
    Distance to: LIB7
    0.02213741 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 (OK!!) This is the great grandfather of Greater Poland
    0.03185748 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2
    Last edited by Mis; 01-25-2023 at 08:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mis View Post
    No one disputes the arrival of the Slavs from Eastern Europe. The dispute is only about time. There were at least three waves.
    Czech archaeobiologists, such as Jaromir Benes, see the problem of Slavicization of their lands as follows:

    "This was the period after the fall of the Roman Empire when ethnic groups composed mainly of young warriors circulated. These warriors passed through different territories and migrated, but sometimes returned home. Raiding was their favorite economic activity. In this form we can imagine the arrival of the Czechs to the Bohemian Basin. These proto-Czech invaders also seem to have come from a nearby location, most likely from Poland. Archaeologists believe that such militant bands created new settlements that functioned separately from the locals for a century or two. Gradually, as development continued, the local population was subjugated. The language and culture of the conquerors became dominant, but the main genetic footprint less so."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mis View Post
    This is a test for a West Slav
    Distance to: LIB7
    0.02213741 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 (OK!!) This is the great grandfather of Greater Poland
    0.03185748 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2
    That would be in line with what Benes said.

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    As for strong contacts, I agree 100%
    Look where he came from.Target: LIB7
    Distance: 2.3068% / 0.02306821
    51.0 Magyar_West_Eurasian:HUN_Conqueror_elite_AGY75
    43.6 Magyar_West_Eurasian:HUN_Conqueror_elite_VPB167
    5.4 Magyar_West_Eurasian:HUN_Conqueror_elite_MH19

    His ancestors may have been in Węger during the Copper Age
    Last edited by Mis; 01-25-2023 at 09:37 AM.

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