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    R6750 148 64,83% 44,7167 21,1667 Viminacium Serbia Not Found
    R6759 150 62,53% 44,7167 21,1667 Viminacium Serbia Not Found
    R6764 330 63,28% 43,326684 21,896187 Naissus Serbia Not Found
    R6759 150 62,53% 44,7167 21,1667 Viminacium Serbia Not Found
    R6693 284 40,96% 45,912477 19,174329 Svilos_Krusevlje Serbia https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z600/
    R3906 1557 46,81% 44,966801 19,609892 Sirmium Serbia https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A11380/
    R3931 180 66,31% 44,7167 21,1667 Viminacium Serbia E-V13 https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V13/
    R6701 284 62,20% 45,912477 19,174329 Svilos_Krusevlje Serbia R6701: R-BY157588 https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-BY157588/
    R6730 348 65,22% 44,966801 19,609892 Sirmium Serbia R6730: I-Y41633 https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y41633/
    R9673 146 67,16% 44,7167 21,1667 Viminacium Serbia R9673: R-BY130797 https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-BY130797/
    R9918 1074 56,83% 42,466869 19,266164 Doclea_Bjelovine Montenegro R9918: J-CTS6190 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS6190/
    R9669 220 47,26% 44,7167 21,1667 Viminacium Serbia R9669: J-Z1295 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z1295/

    Just matched samples to the data provided by rafc. Hope it does not have the initial mistake included. In case it does, someone let me know and I will edit.
    Last edited by Archetype0ne; 05-18-2022 at 03:37 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    The Austrian and German border region samples would be also great to have

    By the way, are these already the terminal clades for E-V13, so no subclades for these samples?
    I think the V13 could maybe be CTS1357 https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y178966/, but I'm not very sure. The group seems weird, and it's based on 2 SNP's in a questionable area.

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    download WGS Extract , it's so easy
    I PM-ed you, I guess I don't even know what is WGS extract )

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    R10667 (North African Austrian sample): yDNA: I2a mtDNA: L6b
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    Anyone could please analyze R10667- 171 AD wels austria ?
    Thanks in advance.

    Edit: Thanks for that Adam. Talk about coincidence lol.
    Last edited by Archetype0ne; 05-18-2022 at 03:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamm View Post
    R10667 (North African Austrian sample): yDNA: I2a mtDNA: L6b
    Strange results... Did you analyse 10667.bam ? because it seems to be the haplogroups of a Sardinan sample in fact
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    Distance: 3.7712% / 0.03771193
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    Quote Originally Posted by rafc View Post
    I think the V13 could maybe be CTS1357 https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y178966/, but I'm not very sure. The group seems weird, and it's based on 2 SNP's in a questionable area.
    If he would be a confirmed E-Z5018, it wouldn't be that downstream, but it would fit with the other Pannonian-North Balkan/Danubian-Tisza samples found so far. E-Z16242 would be a funny branch, with Portuguese and English on the one, and Armenians on the other side. Very old of course. Having looked at it before, it could have been one of the "E-V13 in Celts" candidates.

    Quote Originally Posted by E_M81_I3A View Post
    Strange results... Did you analyse 10667.bam ? because it seems to be the haplogroups of a Sardinan sample in fact
    Well, the good thing is that this is a case in which the mtDNA really matters, because L6b won't be that common in Austria:
    https://www.yfull.com/mtree/L6b/
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    R10478 (Emona, Slovenia, 1621bp): https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y39302/

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    Quote Originally Posted by E_M81_I3A View Post
    Strange results... Did you analyse 10667.bam ? because it seems to be the haplogroups of a Sardinan sample in fact

    Yes we analyzed 10667, according to the paper he's Austrian with north African ancestry.
    North-West African Y-DNA map: Hidden Content

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamm View Post
    Yes we analyzed 10667, according to the paper he's Austrian with north African ancestry.
    See above, how common is L6b even nowadays in North Africa?

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