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    These should be the g25 coordinates, thank to Eurogenes:

    Code:
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  3. #122
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel90 View Post
    These should be the g25 coordinates, thank to Eurogenes:
    I've re-organized them based on the paper, as they have been organized differently in the G25 spreadsheet.

    Also added averages:

    Code:
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    Erfurt_ME_avg,0.096136769,0.144127077,-0.015259,-0.055357231,0.010747538,-0.020058692,-0.000777308,-0.002041385,0.012586154,0.019457077,0.005371231,-0.000322769,0.006186538,-0.000751692,-0.004113462,-2.05385E-05,-0.001524462,0.000613923,-0.003916,-0.002953308,-0.003167462,-0.002292385,0.001564231,0.002586231,-0.000829
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    Target: Erfurt2
    Distance: 0.6729% / 0.00672882 | R4P
    47.2 Sephardic_Jew
    28.8 Greek_Thessaly
    21.2 Lithuanian_VZ
    2.8 Qiang_Daofu

    East Asian source might be partially Turkic partially Chinese, hard to tell though.

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  7. #124
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    Distance to: Erfurt_ME_avg
    0.01017830 Ashkenazi_France
    0.01031655 Italian_Jew
    0.01063910 Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.01877425 Sephardic_Jew
    0.01948229 Romaniote_Jew
    0.02022000 Ashkenazi_Poland
    0.02242767 Maltese
    0.02415648 Sephardic_Jew_o
    0.02435731 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
    0.02468537 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.02518054 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
    0.02586841 Italian_Calabria
    0.02601429 Italian_Campania
    0.02654710 Ashkenazi_Russia
    0.02805706 Sicilian_East
    0.02908728 Greek_Crete
    0.02924968 Moroccan_Jew
    0.02979442 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.03140217 Italian_Basilicata
    0.03154805 Greek_Kos
    0.03225074 Sicilian_West
    0.03262633 Italian_Apulia
    0.03495144 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
    0.03578604 Syrian_Jew
    0.03678120 Cypriot


    Distance to: Erfurt_EU_avg
    0.02919931 Greek_Macedonia
    0.03047013 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
    0.03066132 Ashkenazi_Russia
    0.03066694 Greek_Thessaly
    0.03145141 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.03199192 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.03235284 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.03322844 Gagauz
    0.03343493 Rumelia_East
    0.03383098 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
    0.03407266 Albanian
    0.03457386 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
    0.03524993 Sicilian_West
    0.03551500 Ashkenazi_Poland
    0.03605077 Italian_Marche
    0.03757684 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.03771191 Greek_Izmir
    0.03773317 Italian_Molise
    0.03949063 Turkish_Deliorman
    0.03959141 Italian_Apulia
    0.03983018 Italian_Umbria
    0.04051948 Swiss_Italian
    0.04054483 Italian_Basilicata
    0.04063201 Italian_Tuscany
    0.04085140 Greek_Laconia


    And this is how they plot on the West Eurasian PCA against the 417 AJs from Bray et al.:

    Erfurt_PCA.PNG
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    Maybe I'm wrong but wasn't there a study that shows that western Jews have high uniparental share with Italians? I can't find btw...
    Not to my knowledge.
    Unless someone else can elaborate?

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    Difference between the East Eurasian-admixed group and the others.

    Code:
    Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
    A: Erfurt_EU_avg
    B: Erfurt_ME_avg
    C: ↴
    -0.05083456	Moksha
    -0.05064353	Erzya
    -0.05061017	Russian_Orel
    -0.05058605	Russian_Ryazan
    -0.05055205	Russian_Kostroma
    -0.05047344	Russian_Tver
    -0.05033446	Finnish_Southwest
    -0.05020540	Ukrainian_Sumy
    -0.05019985	Finnish_North
    -0.05015738	Russian_Krasnoborsky
    -0.05013504	Russian_Yaroslavl
    -0.05012184	Russian_Kursk
    -0.05008431	Finnish_Central
    -0.05008281	Ukrainian_Dnipro
    -0.04995033	Ingrian
    -0.04994234	Russian_Smolensk
    -0.04989312	Karelian
    -0.04989236	Vepsian
    -0.04986175	Ukrainian_Lviv
    -0.04983674	Moldovan
    -0.04981847	Belarusian
    -0.04980858	Moldovan_o
    -0.04976081	Russian_Kaluga
    -0.04966464	Estonian
    -0.04965922	Russian_Voronez
    
    Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
    A: Erfurt_EU_avg
    B: Erfurt_ME_avg
    C: ↴
    0.04829895	Italian_Jew
    0.04813526	Romaniote_Jew
    0.04661979	Tunisian_Jew
    0.04543682	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.04531804	Samaritan
    0.04519230	Sephardic_Jew
    0.04482268	Lebanese_Christian
    0.04477145	Libyan_Jew
    0.04324822	Cypriot
    0.04094855	Moroccan_Jew
    0.04091043	Syrian_Jew
    0.04064079	Yemenite_Ma'rib
    0.04021960	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    0.04020597	Yemenite_Jew
    0.03998171	Yemenite_Mahra
    0.03980785	Druze
    0.03971922	Yemenite_Dhamar
    0.03969240	BedouinB
    0.03946907	Saudi
    0.03941491	Yemenite_Amran
    0.03928976	Karaite_Egypt
    0.03913034	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    0.03908892	Lebanese_Druze
    0.03867645	Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.03800762	SaudiA
    Code:
    Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
    A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
    B: DEU_MA_Erfurt1
    C: ↴
    -0.05722697	Moksha
    -0.05708398	Erzya
    -0.05696030	Russian_Kostroma
    -0.05682965	Russian_Ryazan
    -0.05677312	Russian_Tver
    -0.05661856	Russian_Krasnoborsky
    -0.05650609	Russian_Orel
    -0.05645487	Ingrian
    -0.05641776	Russian_Yaroslavl
    -0.05640535	Finnish_Central
    -0.05634201	Karelian
    -0.05632614	Vepsian
    -0.05632503	Finnish_North
    -0.05623048	Finnish_Southwest
    -0.05612121	Moldovan_o
    -0.05609702	Russian_Kursk
    -0.05607827	Ukrainian_Dnipro
    -0.05590644	Russian_Pinega
    -0.05586970	Moldovan
    -0.05585884	Ukrainian_Sumy
    -0.05581423	Russian_Kaluga
    -0.05576589	Estonian
    -0.05565898	Russian_Pinezhsky
    -0.05564285	Russian_Smolensk
    -0.05556177	Russian_Voronez
    
    Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
    A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
    B: DEU_MA_Erfurt1
    C: ↴
    0.05291692	Romaniote_Jew
    0.05268672	Italian_Jew
    0.05157174	Samaritan
    0.05155347	Sephardic_Jew
    0.05151471	Tunisian_Jew
    0.05059168	Lebanese_Christian
    0.05017469	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.04931650	Libyan_Jew
    0.04880563	Cypriot
    0.04606061	Syrian_Jew
    0.04500490	Yemenite_Ma'rib
    0.04483850	Druze
    0.04480130	Karaite_Egypt
    0.04455266	Yemenite_Jew
    0.04440157	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    0.04412071	Lebanese_Druze
    0.04394881	Yemenite_Mahra
    0.04374263	Yemenite_Dhamar
    0.04359934	Moroccan_Jew
    0.04351530	Yemenite_Amran
    0.04349986	BedouinB
    0.04338460	Saudi
    0.04307517	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    0.04216652	SaudiA
    0.04119640	Palestinian
    Code:
    Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
    A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
    B: DEU_MA_Erfurt3
    C: ↴
    -0.03655141	Moksha
    -0.03642345	Erzya
    -0.03638595	Moldovan
    -0.03633718	Russian_Ryazan
    -0.03621086	Russian_Yaroslavl
    -0.03615888	Moldovan_o
    -0.03610887	Russian_Kostroma
    -0.03609789	Russian_Orel
    -0.03589964	Russian_Krasnoborsky
    -0.03589894	Ukrainian_Sumy
    -0.03587560	Finnish_Southwest
    -0.03585961	Finnish_North
    -0.03585799	Russian_Smolensk
    -0.03583538	Russian_Tver
    -0.03578105	Ukrainian_Lviv
    -0.03575684	Russian_Kaluga
    -0.03575416	Russian_Kursk
    -0.03570317	Finnish_Central
    -0.03566025	Ukrainian_Dnipro
    -0.03564501	Vepsian
    -0.03561883	Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
    -0.03560655	Ingrian
    -0.03554522	Ukrainian_Rivne
    -0.03549995	Ukrainian_Chernihiv
    -0.03546882	Belarusian
    
    Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
    A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
    B: DEU_MA_Erfurt3
    C: ↴
    0.03516346	Libyan_Jew
    0.03514953	Tunisian_Jew
    0.03392982	Moroccan_Jew
    0.03307487	Samaritan
    0.03297179	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.03291547	Lebanese_Christian
    0.03286547	Romaniote_Jew
    0.03192283	Yemenite_Ma'rib
    0.03177927	Italian_Jew
    0.03175976	Syrian_Jew
    0.03156510	Sephardic_Jew
    0.03148617	Yemenite_Dhamar
    0.03144198	BedouinB
    0.03121155	Yemenite_Amran
    0.03120889	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    0.03114299	Yemenite_Jew
    0.03109099	Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.03109035	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    0.03106405	Cypriot
    0.03103436	Palestinian
    0.03075103	Saudi
    0.03074400	Yemenite_Mahra
    0.03053312	Jordanian
    0.03015091	BedouinA
    0.03004093	Druze

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Difference between the East Eurasian-admixed group and the others.

    Code:
    Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
    A: Erfurt_EU_avg
    B: Erfurt_ME_avg
    C: ↴
    -0.05083456	Moksha
    -0.05064353	Erzya
    -0.05061017	Russian_Orel
    -0.05058605	Russian_Ryazan
    -0.05055205	Russian_Kostroma
    -0.05047344	Russian_Tver
    -0.05033446	Finnish_Southwest
    -0.05020540	Ukrainian_Sumy
    -0.05019985	Finnish_North
    -0.05015738	Russian_Krasnoborsky
    -0.05013504	Russian_Yaroslavl
    -0.05012184	Russian_Kursk
    -0.05008431	Finnish_Central
    -0.05008281	Ukrainian_Dnipro
    -0.04995033	Ingrian
    -0.04994234	Russian_Smolensk
    -0.04989312	Karelian
    -0.04989236	Vepsian
    -0.04986175	Ukrainian_Lviv
    -0.04983674	Moldovan
    -0.04981847	Belarusian
    -0.04980858	Moldovan_o
    -0.04976081	Russian_Kaluga
    -0.04966464	Estonian
    -0.04965922	Russian_Voronez
    
    Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
    A: Erfurt_EU_avg
    B: Erfurt_ME_avg
    C: ↴
    0.04829895	Italian_Jew
    0.04813526	Romaniote_Jew
    0.04661979	Tunisian_Jew
    0.04543682	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.04531804	Samaritan
    0.04519230	Sephardic_Jew
    0.04482268	Lebanese_Christian
    0.04477145	Libyan_Jew
    0.04324822	Cypriot
    0.04094855	Moroccan_Jew
    0.04091043	Syrian_Jew
    0.04064079	Yemenite_Ma'rib
    0.04021960	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    0.04020597	Yemenite_Jew
    0.03998171	Yemenite_Mahra
    0.03980785	Druze
    0.03971922	Yemenite_Dhamar
    0.03969240	BedouinB
    0.03946907	Saudi
    0.03941491	Yemenite_Amran
    0.03928976	Karaite_Egypt
    0.03913034	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    0.03908892	Lebanese_Druze
    0.03867645	Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.03800762	SaudiA
    Code:
    Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
    A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
    B: DEU_MA_Erfurt1
    C: ↴
    -0.05722697	Moksha
    -0.05708398	Erzya
    -0.05696030	Russian_Kostroma
    -0.05682965	Russian_Ryazan
    -0.05677312	Russian_Tver
    -0.05661856	Russian_Krasnoborsky
    -0.05650609	Russian_Orel
    -0.05645487	Ingrian
    -0.05641776	Russian_Yaroslavl
    -0.05640535	Finnish_Central
    -0.05634201	Karelian
    -0.05632614	Vepsian
    -0.05632503	Finnish_North
    -0.05623048	Finnish_Southwest
    -0.05612121	Moldovan_o
    -0.05609702	Russian_Kursk
    -0.05607827	Ukrainian_Dnipro
    -0.05590644	Russian_Pinega
    -0.05586970	Moldovan
    -0.05585884	Ukrainian_Sumy
    -0.05581423	Russian_Kaluga
    -0.05576589	Estonian
    -0.05565898	Russian_Pinezhsky
    -0.05564285	Russian_Smolensk
    -0.05556177	Russian_Voronez
    
    Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
    A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
    B: DEU_MA_Erfurt1
    C: ↴
    0.05291692	Romaniote_Jew
    0.05268672	Italian_Jew
    0.05157174	Samaritan
    0.05155347	Sephardic_Jew
    0.05151471	Tunisian_Jew
    0.05059168	Lebanese_Christian
    0.05017469	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.04931650	Libyan_Jew
    0.04880563	Cypriot
    0.04606061	Syrian_Jew
    0.04500490	Yemenite_Ma'rib
    0.04483850	Druze
    0.04480130	Karaite_Egypt
    0.04455266	Yemenite_Jew
    0.04440157	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    0.04412071	Lebanese_Druze
    0.04394881	Yemenite_Mahra
    0.04374263	Yemenite_Dhamar
    0.04359934	Moroccan_Jew
    0.04351530	Yemenite_Amran
    0.04349986	BedouinB
    0.04338460	Saudi
    0.04307517	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    0.04216652	SaudiA
    0.04119640	Palestinian
    Code:
    Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
    A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
    B: DEU_MA_Erfurt3
    C: ↴
    -0.03655141	Moksha
    -0.03642345	Erzya
    -0.03638595	Moldovan
    -0.03633718	Russian_Ryazan
    -0.03621086	Russian_Yaroslavl
    -0.03615888	Moldovan_o
    -0.03610887	Russian_Kostroma
    -0.03609789	Russian_Orel
    -0.03589964	Russian_Krasnoborsky
    -0.03589894	Ukrainian_Sumy
    -0.03587560	Finnish_Southwest
    -0.03585961	Finnish_North
    -0.03585799	Russian_Smolensk
    -0.03583538	Russian_Tver
    -0.03578105	Ukrainian_Lviv
    -0.03575684	Russian_Kaluga
    -0.03575416	Russian_Kursk
    -0.03570317	Finnish_Central
    -0.03566025	Ukrainian_Dnipro
    -0.03564501	Vepsian
    -0.03561883	Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
    -0.03560655	Ingrian
    -0.03554522	Ukrainian_Rivne
    -0.03549995	Ukrainian_Chernihiv
    -0.03546882	Belarusian
    
    Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
    A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
    B: DEU_MA_Erfurt3
    C: ↴
    0.03516346	Libyan_Jew
    0.03514953	Tunisian_Jew
    0.03392982	Moroccan_Jew
    0.03307487	Samaritan
    0.03297179	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.03291547	Lebanese_Christian
    0.03286547	Romaniote_Jew
    0.03192283	Yemenite_Ma'rib
    0.03177927	Italian_Jew
    0.03175976	Syrian_Jew
    0.03156510	Sephardic_Jew
    0.03148617	Yemenite_Dhamar
    0.03144198	BedouinB
    0.03121155	Yemenite_Amran
    0.03120889	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    0.03114299	Yemenite_Jew
    0.03109099	Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.03109035	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    0.03106405	Cypriot
    0.03103436	Palestinian
    0.03075103	Saudi
    0.03074400	Yemenite_Mahra
    0.03053312	Jordanian
    0.03015091	BedouinA
    0.03004093	Druze
    Can't help but to see some geographical similarity between where Moksha and Erzya people live....

    mordvins.PNG

    vs. a certain khaganate which some of it's population practiced Judaism:

    Chasaren.jpg
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    Target: Erfurt_EU_avg
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    5.2 Natufian
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    Target: Erfurt_ME_avg
    Distance: 1.2118% / 0.01211840
    47.0 Anatolian_Farmer
    19.6 Steppe
    18.0 Natufian
    15.4 CHG/IranN
    Target: abceff_scaled
    Distance: 2.9491% / 0.02949117
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    25.4 Eastern_EEF(DEU_HUN_AUT)
    19.2 MAR_Taforalt
    8.6 Iran_Neolithic_(Ganj_Hosein_Wezmeh)
    7.4 Corded_Ware_Early(POL_CZE_BALTIC_GER)
    6.0 Bantu_S.E.
    5.2 Sudanese
    1.2 Balto_Slavic_HG_Simulated

    Target: abceff_scaled
    Distance: 1.9415% / 0.01941473
    58.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    15.4 Levant_Megiddo_IA
    9.8 Levant_Beirut_IAII
    7.8 Bantu_Kenya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    Can't help but to see some geographical similarity between where Moksha and Erzya people live....

    mordvins.PNG

    vs. a certain khaganate which some of it's population practiced Judaism:

    Chasaren.jpg
    In my opinion AJ's East Eurasian was not brought by the Khazars but by Turkic-speaking peoples related to them. The source always seems to be mixed Slavic + Turkic/Tatar. I could be wrong though, I admit I am quite ignorant on the subject.

    Code:
    Target: Ashkenazi_Jew
    Distance: 0.4966% / 0.00496631 | R3P
    69.8	Italian_Jew
    16.4	Austrian
    13.8	Turkish_Kayseri
    
    Target: Ashkenazi_Jew
    Distance: 0.5178% / 0.00517830 | R3P
    72.4	Italian_Jew
    17.0	Austrian
    10.6	Azerbaijani
    
    Target: Ashkenazi_Jew
    Distance: 0.5632% / 0.00563249 | R3P
    60.8	Italian_Campania
    28.0	Tunisian_Jew
    11.2	Tatar_Mishar
    
    Target: Ashkenazi_Jew
    Distance: 0.6252% / 0.00625199 | R3P
    77.0	Italian_Jew
    17.8	Serbian
    5.2	Turkmen

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    (1) Erfurt_ME with the components I think are relevant for Ashkenazim, note that German_MA and Slavic_MA may have some overlap:

    J_Erfurt_test4.png

    (2) Erfurt_EU, same settings:

    J_Erfurt_test5.png

    (3) Erfurt_EU as a mix of Erfurt_ME_avg, Slavic_MA and Dai:

    J_Erfurt_test6.png

    for what it's worth (pff, had some quarrel with the attachments, but it seems to work now )

    (4) adding Moksha as suggested above for Erfurt_EU absorbs some of the Slavic in some samples, but not all.

    J_Erfurt_test7.png
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