The Ashkenazi founder event pre-dated the 14th century (discussion)

[Ariel90]

These should be the g25 coordinates, thank to Eurogenes:

DEU_MA_Erfurt1:I13861,0.103579,0.15436,-0.018856,-0.051357,0.006463,-0.017012,0.008695,-0.000462,0.006954,0.017677,0.011042,-0.006894,0.002379,-0.013762,-0.005836,0.009414,0.008345,-0.001014,-0.005154,0.002251,-0.005989,0.004451,0.001602,-0.00253,0.002515
DEU_MA_Erfurt1:I13863,0.093335,0.132019,-0.020742,-0.064277,0.011079,-0.016455,-0.00423,-0.001846,0.01268,0.024602,0.007632,-0.003447,0.005203,-0.004542,-0.007465,-0.003713,-0.003129,-0.002914,-0.004902,-0.005378,-0.006239,-0.014838,-0.003574,-0.001687,-0.006586
DEU_MA_Erfurt1:I13864,0.094473,0.151314,-0.019233,-0.052972,0.010463,-0.014502,-0.00188,-0.001615,0.018612,0.024784,0.005684,-3e-04,0.003271,0.003853,0.002714,0.001193,-0.01369,0.003421,0.003645,-0.012881,0.00262,0.002597,-0.002711,0.006266,-0.003113
DEU_MA_Erfurt1:I13865,0.092197,0.142174,-0.014331,-0.059755,0.020619,-0.026774,-0.00611,-0.000923,0.01268,0.02041,0.00406,-0.000599,0.00446,0.003441,0.002036,-0.007027,-0.011474,0.004307,0.000126,-0.012506,-0.002745,-0.003957,0.008134,-0.005422,-0.003832
DEU_MA_Erfurt1:I13870,0.094473,0.148267,-0.01697,-0.057494,0.008001,-0.024542,-0.00282,-0.000692,0.019839,0.008018,0.005034,0.004946,0.016204,-0.004679,-0.002036,0.007027,0.006389,-0.000887,-0.004902,-0.014882,-0.00025,0.002102,-0.008258,0.006989,0.003353
DEU_MA_Erfurt1:I14737,0.08992,0.147252,-0.017725,-0.048773,0.008617,-0.028726,-0.00517,0.001385,0.013908,0.020228,0.00341,-0.001649,0.008176,0.007844,-0.012215,-0.0179,-0.017732,-0.002407,-0.000754,0.006878,-0.000873,-0.001113,0.005916,-0.002048,0.003832
DEU_MA_Erfurt1:I14739,0.08992,0.144205,-0.018102,-0.063631,0.01508,-0.03012,0.00235,-0.006923,0.007567,0.01713,0.001624,0.001349,0.00996,-0.001927,-0.002172,-0.00305,-0.008214,0.000887,-0.01169,0.001251,0.000998,-0.001978,0.008134,-0.008194,-0.000838
DEU_MA_Erfurt1:I14741,0.101303,0.145221,-0.017348,-0.053941,0.011387,-0.020638,0.00752,0.020999,0.033951,0.021504,0.003897,0.007194,0.005203,-0.00289,-0.007193,0.001458,0.014081,0.002154,-0.005908,0.003377,-0.009733,0.005812,-0.002465,0.025305,-0.009221
DEU_MA_Erfurt1:I14851,0.097888,0.141159,-0.015839,-0.056848,0.011079,-0.01255,-0.00235,-0.009923,0.001841,0.016037,0.013153,0,0.006838,0.003716,-0.005429,-0.000265,-0.013299,-0.006588,-0.004525,-0.002001,-0.004617,-0.004328,-0.003204,-0.004458,0.002275
DEU_MA_Erfurt1:I14852,0.103579,0.148267,-0.016593,-0.062662,0.005232,-0.022032,-0.001175,-0.018461,0.010431,0.022597,-0.001624,0.003747,0.001784,0.001789,-0.008686,0.002121,0.002477,0.004054,-0.009679,-0.004752,-0.00262,-0.018548,0.006779,0.012652,0.007185
DEU_MA_Erfurt1:I14903,0.103579,0.146236,-0.021496,-0.051034,0.004001,-0.015897,0.000235,-0.003692,0.005318,0.024966,0.002111,-0.009292,-0.000595,-0.002752,-0.010179,0.000398,-0.002217,0.003674,-0.002388,0.002876,-0.00549,-0.00371,0.002711,0.000843,0.000958
DEU_MA_Erfurt2:I13862,0.110408,0.122879,0.00264,-0.010982,0.010771,-0.005578,0.00235,0.002769,0.00859,0.009294,0.00682,-0.003147,-0.003419,0.010046,-0.011943,-0.008486,-0.004955,0.00038,-0.00088,-0.006003,-0.007986,-0.000866,0.008751,-0.002651,-0.003233
DEU_MA_Erfurt2:I13866,0.106994,0.118817,0.006034,-0.014212,0.016311,-0.010319,-0.00282,0.004615,0.001636,0.014943,-0.006333,-0.000899,0.003717,0.00523,-0.012758,-0.003713,0.008996,0.003927,-0.003142,0.003877,-0.007362,-0.001607,0.001109,0.006386,-0.002754
DEU_MA_Erfurt2:I13868,0.105855,0.127957,0.012822,-0.018088,0.024312,-0.002231,-0.00188,0.000231,0.01268,0.007289,0.002111,0.007194,0.005649,0.010184,-0.001357,-0.004375,0.009388,-0.000507,-0.004022,0.008254,-0.001497,-0.004328,0.0053,-0.003856,0.000599
DEU_MA_Erfurt2:I14738,0.112685,0.126941,0.012822,-0.013889,0.01508,-0.002789,-0.00188,0.002077,0.001227,0.008201,-0.006333,-0.002847,0.006541,0.007294,-0.00475,0.001061,0.006128,-0.000127,0.000126,-0.004252,0.002121,0.004081,0.006779,0.004217,-0.005987
DEU_MA_Erfurt2:I14740,0.100164,0.121864,0.014708,-0.011305,0.011694,-0.004462,-0.00705,0.003231,0.005113,0.006743,-0.007145,-0.003147,0.002973,0.008945,-0.012351,0.000133,0.001043,-0.003421,-0.000377,-0.004877,-0.00549,-0.003215,0.000863,-0.003012,0.00467
DEU_MA_Erfurt2:I14847,0.103579,0.127957,0.001508,-0.018734,0.014156,-0.00502,0.00094,-0.001615,0.002863,0.007289,0.003248,-0.00045,0.004014,0.004679,-0.001493,-0.019888,-0.006128,0.004814,0.003645,-0.006378,-0.004492,-0.00272,0.003451,0.00253,-0.005029
DEU_MA_Erfurt2:I14850,0.103579,0.140143,0.013199,-0.017119,0.01908,-0.006136,-0.000235,0.011307,0.005113,0.004556,0.000974,-0.002098,-0.000743,0.007156,-0.004886,-0.012198,-0.008996,-0.003167,0.005782,-0.010005,-0.000749,-0.001484,0.012078,0.005543,0.002634
DEU_MA_Erfurt2:I14904,0.106994,0.116786,0.007165,-0.018411,0.023389,-0.008367,0.004935,0.010384,0.00225,0.016583,-0.004709,0.009591,0.001933,0.008395,0.000814,-0.008486,-0.022296,-0.002914,-0.001383,0,0.002246,-0.008903,0.002958,0.001687,0.003233
DEU_MA_Erfurt3:I13867,0.093335,0.13405,-0.002263,-0.049096,0.014772,-0.018686,-0.00658,-0.006231,0.011249,0.016948,0.008119,-0.001649,0.006987,0.000275,-0.003936,0.001193,0.001565,-0.000887,-0.004777,0.001626,-0.00574,-0.000742,0.007641,0.007953,0.000958
DEU_MA_Erfurt3:I14736,0.092197,0.139128,0.001131,-0.047804,0.012925,-0.012829,0.00141,0.001846,0.00859,0.018041,0.005684,0.002398,0.010555,-0.000138,0.006922,0.008884,0.01708,0.004181,0,-0.004252,-0.000499,0.004451,-0.00037,-0.002048,-0.008263
DEU_MA_Erfurt3:I14897,0.09675,0.142174,-0.003017,-0.039406,0.005232,-0.012271,0.013396,0.006231,0.005113,0.013121,0.000812,-0.001049,0.000595,0.012937,-0.001629,0.001061,-0.021774,0.003294,0.005279,-0.014007,0.001373,-0.011871,0.0053,-0.006025,-0.006347

[Erikl86]

These should be the g25 coordinates, thank to Eurogenes:

I've re-organized them based on the paper, as they have been organized differently in the G25 spreadsheet.

Also added averages:

Erfurt_ME:I13861,0.103579,0.15436,-0.018856,-0.051357,0.006463,-0.017012,0.008695,-0.000462,0.006954,0.017677,0.011042,-0.006894,0.002379,-0.013762,-0.005836,0.009414,0.008345,-0.001014,-0.005154,0.002251,-0.005989,0.004451,0.001602,-0.00253,0.002515
Erfurt_ME_o:I13863,0.093335,0.132019,-0.020742,-0.064277,0.011079,-0.016455,-0.00423,-0.001846,0.01268,0.024602,0.007632,-0.003447,0.005203,-0.004542,-0.007465,-0.003713,-0.003129,-0.002914,-0.004902,-0.005378,-0.006239,-0.014838,-0.003574,-0.001687,-0.006586
Erfurt_ME:I13864,0.094473,0.151314,-0.019233,-0.052972,0.010463,-0.014502,-0.00188,-0.001615,0.018612,0.024784,0.005684,-3e-04,0.003271,0.003853,0.002714,0.001193,-0.01369,0.003421,0.003645,-0.012881,0.00262,0.002597,-0.002711,0.006266,-0.003113
Erfurt_ME:I13865,0.092197,0.142174,-0.014331,-0.059755,0.020619,-0.026774,-0.00611,-0.000923,0.01268,0.02041,0.00406,-0.000599,0.00446,0.003441,0.002036,-0.007027,-0.011474,0.004307,0.000126,-0.012506,-0.002745,-0.003957,0.008134,-0.005422,-0.003832
Erfurt_ME_o:I13870,0.094473,0.148267,-0.01697,-0.057494,0.008001,-0.024542,-0.00282,-0.000692,0.019839,0.008018,0.005034,0.004946,0.016204,-0.004679,-0.002036,0.007027,0.006389,-0.000887,-0.004902,-0.014882,-0.00025,0.002102,-0.008258,0.006989,0.003353
Erfurt_ME:I14737,0.08992,0.147252,-0.017725,-0.048773,0.008617,-0.028726,-0.00517,0.001385,0.013908,0.020228,0.00341,-0.001649,0.008176,0.007844,-0.012215,-0.0179,-0.017732,-0.002407,-0.000754,0.006878,-0.000873,-0.001113,0.005916,-0.002048,0.003832
Erfurt_ME:I14739,0.08992,0.144205,-0.018102,-0.063631,0.01508,-0.03012,0.00235,-0.006923,0.007567,0.01713,0.001624,0.001349,0.00996,-0.001927,-0.002172,-0.00305,-0.008214,0.000887,-0.01169,0.001251,0.000998,-0.001978,0.008134,-0.008194,-0.000838
Erfurt_ME:I14741,0.101303,0.145221,-0.017348,-0.053941,0.011387,-0.020638,0.00752,0.020999,0.033951,0.021504,0.003897,0.007194,0.005203,-0.00289,-0.007193,0.001458,0.014081,0.002154,-0.005908,0.003377,-0.009733,0.005812,-0.002465,0.025305,-0.009221
Erfurt_ME:I14851,0.097888,0.141159,-0.015839,-0.056848,0.011079,-0.01255,-0.00235,-0.009923,0.001841,0.016037,0.013153,0,0.006838,0.003716,-0.005429,-0.000265,-0.013299,-0.006588,-0.004525,-0.002001,-0.004617,-0.004328,-0.003204,-0.004458,0.002275
Erfurt_ME:I14852,0.103579,0.148267,-0.016593,-0.062662,0.005232,-0.022032,-0.001175,-0.018461,0.010431,0.022597,-0.001624,0.003747,0.001784,0.001789,-0.008686,0.002121,0.002477,0.004054,-0.009679,-0.004752,-0.00262,-0.018548,0.006779,0.012652,0.007185
Erfurt_ME:I14903,0.103579,0.146236,-0.021496,-0.051034,0.004001,-0.015897,0.000235,-0.003692,0.005318,0.024966,0.002111,-0.009292,-0.000595,-0.002752,-0.010179,0.000398,-0.002217,0.003674,-0.002388,0.002876,-0.00549,-0.00371,0.002711,0.000843,0.000958
Erfurt_ME_o:I13867,0.093335,0.13405,-0.002263,-0.049096,0.014772,-0.018686,-0.00658,-0.006231,0.011249,0.016948,0.008119,-0.001649,0.006987,0.000275,-0.003936,0.001193,0.001565,-0.000887,-0.004777,0.001626,-0.00574,-0.000742,0.007641,0.007953,0.000958
Erfurt_ME_o:I14736,0.092197,0.139128,0.001131,-0.047804,0.012925,-0.012829,0.00141,0.001846,0.00859,0.018041,0.005684,0.002398,0.010555,-0.000138,0.006922,0.008884,0.01708,0.004181,0,-0.004252,-0.000499,0.004451,-0.00037,-0.002048,-0.008263
Erfurt_EU:I13862,0.110408,0.122879,0.00264,-0.010982,0.010771,-0.005578,0.00235,0.002769,0.00859,0.009294,0.00682,-0.003147,-0.003419,0.010046,-0.011943,-0.008486,-0.004955,0.00038,-0.00088,-0.006003,-0.007986,-0.000866,0.008751,-0.002651,-0.003233
Erfurt_EU:I13866,0.106994,0.118817,0.006034,-0.014212,0.016311,-0.010319,-0.00282,0.004615,0.001636,0.014943,-0.006333,-0.000899,0.003717,0.00523,-0.012758,-0.003713,0.008996,0.003927,-0.003142,0.003877,-0.007362,-0.001607,0.001109,0.006386,-0.002754
Erfurt_EU:I13868,0.105855,0.127957,0.012822,-0.018088,0.024312,-0.002231,-0.00188,0.000231,0.01268,0.007289,0.002111,0.007194,0.005649,0.010184,-0.001357,-0.004375,0.009388,-0.000507,-0.004022,0.008254,-0.001497,-0.004328,0.0053,-0.003856,0.000599
Erfurt_EU:I14738,0.112685,0.126941,0.012822,-0.013889,0.01508,-0.002789,-0.00188,0.002077,0.001227,0.008201,-0.006333,-0.002847,0.006541,0.007294,-0.00475,0.001061,0.006128,-0.000127,0.000126,-0.004252,0.002121,0.004081,0.006779,0.004217,-0.005987
Erfurt_EU:I14740,0.100164,0.121864,0.014708,-0.011305,0.011694,-0.004462,-0.00705,0.003231,0.005113,0.006743,-0.007145,-0.003147,0.002973,0.008945,-0.012351,0.000133,0.001043,-0.003421,-0.000377,-0.004877,-0.00549,-0.003215,0.000863,-0.003012,0.00467
Erfurt_EU:I14847,0.103579,0.127957,0.001508,-0.018734,0.014156,-0.00502,0.00094,-0.001615,0.002863,0.007289,0.003248,-0.00045,0.004014,0.004679,-0.001493,-0.019888,-0.006128,0.004814,0.003645,-0.006378,-0.004492,-0.00272,0.003451,0.00253,-0.005029
Erfurt_EU:I14850,0.103579,0.140143,0.013199,-0.017119,0.01908,-0.006136,-0.000235,0.011307,0.005113,0.004556,0.000974,-0.002098,-0.000743,0.007156,-0.004886,-0.012198,-0.008996,-0.003167,0.005782,-0.010005,-0.000749,-0.001484,0.012078,0.005543,0.002634
Erfurt_EU:I14904,0.106994,0.116786,0.007165,-0.018411,0.023389,-0.008367,0.004935,0.010384,0.00225,0.016583,-0.004709,0.009591,0.001933,0.008395,0.000814,-0.008486,-0.022296,-0.002914,-0.001383,0,0.002246,-0.008903,0.002958,0.001687,0.003233
Erfurt_EU:I14897,0.09675,0.142174,-0.003017,-0.039406,0.005232,-0.012271,0.013396,0.006231,0.005113,0.013121,0.000812,-0.001049,0.000595,0.012937,-0.001629,0.001061,-0.021774,0.003294,0.005279,-0.014007,0.001373,-0.011871,0.0053,-0.006025,-0.006347

Erfurt_EU_avg,0.105223111,0.127279778,0.007542333,-0.018016222,0.015558333,-0.006352556,0.000861778,0.004358889,0.004953889,0.009779889,-0.001172778,0.000349778,0.002362222,0.008318444,-0.005594778,-0.006099,-0.004288222,0.000253222,0.000558667,-0.003710111,-0.002426222,-0.003434778,0.005176556,0.000535444,-0.001357111
Erfurt_ME_avg,0.096136769,0.144127077,-0.015259,-0.055357231,0.010747538,-0.020058692,-0.000777308,-0.002041385,0.012586154,0.019457077,0.005371231,-0.000322769,0.006186538,-0.000751692,-0.004113462,-2.05385E-05,-0.001524462,0.000613923,-0.003916,-0.002953308,-0.003167462,-0.002292385,0.001564231,0.002586231,-0.000829

Thanks to Davidski for a very quick turnaround !!

[Standardized Ape]

Target: Erfurt2
Distance: 0.6729% / 0.00672882 | R4P
47.2 Sephardic_Jew
28.8 Greek_Thessaly
21.2 Lithuanian_VZ
2.8 Qiang_Daofu

East Asian source might be partially Turkic partially Chinese, hard to tell though.

[Erikl86]

Distance to: Erfurt_ME_avg
0.01017830 Ashkenazi_France
0.01031655 Italian_Jew
0.01063910 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.01877425 Sephardic_Jew
0.01948229 Romaniote_Jew
0.02022000 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.02242767 Maltese
0.02415648 Sephardic_Jew_o
0.02435731 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.02468537 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.02518054 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.02586841 Italian_Calabria
0.02601429 Italian_Campania
0.02654710 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.02805706 Sicilian_East
0.02908728 Greek_Crete
0.02924968 Moroccan_Jew
0.02979442 Greek_Dodecanese
0.03140217 Italian_Basilicata
0.03154805 Greek_Kos
0.03225074 Sicilian_West
0.03262633 Italian_Apulia
0.03495144 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
0.03578604 Syrian_Jew
0.03678120 Cypriot


Distance to: Erfurt_EU_avg
0.02919931 Greek_Macedonia
0.03047013 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
0.03066132 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.03066694 Greek_Thessaly
0.03145141 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.03199192 Greek_Peloponnese
0.03235284 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03322844 Gagauz
0.03343493 Rumelia_East
0.03383098 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.03407266 Albanian
0.03457386 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.03524993 Sicilian_West
0.03551500 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.03605077 Italian_Marche
0.03757684 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03771191 Greek_Izmir
0.03773317 Italian_Molise
0.03949063 Turkish_Deliorman
0.03959141 Italian_Apulia
0.03983018 Italian_Umbria
0.04051948 Swiss_Italian
0.04054483 Italian_Basilicata
0.04063201 Italian_Tuscany
0.04085140 Greek_Laconia


And this is how they plot on the West Eurasian PCA against the 417 AJs from Bray et al.:

Erfurt_PCA.PNG

[Claudio]

Maybe I'm wrong but wasn't there a study that shows that western Jews have high uniparental share with Italians? I can't find btw...

Not to my knowledge.
Unless someone else can elaborate?

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Difference between the East Eurasian-admixed group and the others.

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Erfurt_EU_avg
B: Erfurt_ME_avg
C: ↴
-0.05083456	Moksha
-0.05064353	Erzya
-0.05061017	Russian_Orel
-0.05058605	Russian_Ryazan
-0.05055205	Russian_Kostroma
-0.05047344	Russian_Tver
-0.05033446	Finnish_Southwest
-0.05020540	Ukrainian_Sumy
-0.05019985	Finnish_North
-0.05015738	Russian_Krasnoborsky
-0.05013504	Russian_Yaroslavl
-0.05012184	Russian_Kursk
-0.05008431	Finnish_Central
-0.05008281	Ukrainian_Dnipro
-0.04995033	Ingrian
-0.04994234	Russian_Smolensk
-0.04989312	Karelian
-0.04989236	Vepsian
-0.04986175	Ukrainian_Lviv
-0.04983674	Moldovan
-0.04981847	Belarusian
-0.04980858	Moldovan_o
-0.04976081	Russian_Kaluga
-0.04966464	Estonian
-0.04965922	Russian_Voronez

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: Erfurt_EU_avg
B: Erfurt_ME_avg
C: ↴
0.04829895	Italian_Jew
0.04813526	Romaniote_Jew
0.04661979	Tunisian_Jew
0.04543682	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.04531804	Samaritan
0.04519230	Sephardic_Jew
0.04482268	Lebanese_Christian
0.04477145	Libyan_Jew
0.04324822	Cypriot
0.04094855	Moroccan_Jew
0.04091043	Syrian_Jew
0.04064079	Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.04021960	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.04020597	Yemenite_Jew
0.03998171	Yemenite_Mahra
0.03980785	Druze
0.03971922	Yemenite_Dhamar
0.03969240	BedouinB
0.03946907	Saudi
0.03941491	Yemenite_Amran
0.03928976	Karaite_Egypt
0.03913034	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.03908892	Lebanese_Druze
0.03867645	Ashkenazi_Germany
0.03800762	SaudiA

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
B: DEU_MA_Erfurt1
C: ↴
-0.05722697	Moksha
-0.05708398	Erzya
-0.05696030	Russian_Kostroma
-0.05682965	Russian_Ryazan
-0.05677312	Russian_Tver
-0.05661856	Russian_Krasnoborsky
-0.05650609	Russian_Orel
-0.05645487	Ingrian
-0.05641776	Russian_Yaroslavl
-0.05640535	Finnish_Central
-0.05634201	Karelian
-0.05632614	Vepsian
-0.05632503	Finnish_North
-0.05623048	Finnish_Southwest
-0.05612121	Moldovan_o
-0.05609702	Russian_Kursk
-0.05607827	Ukrainian_Dnipro
-0.05590644	Russian_Pinega
-0.05586970	Moldovan
-0.05585884	Ukrainian_Sumy
-0.05581423	Russian_Kaluga
-0.05576589	Estonian
-0.05565898	Russian_Pinezhsky
-0.05564285	Russian_Smolensk
-0.05556177	Russian_Voronez

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
B: DEU_MA_Erfurt1
C: ↴
0.05291692	Romaniote_Jew
0.05268672	Italian_Jew
0.05157174	Samaritan
0.05155347	Sephardic_Jew
0.05151471	Tunisian_Jew
0.05059168	Lebanese_Christian
0.05017469	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.04931650	Libyan_Jew
0.04880563	Cypriot
0.04606061	Syrian_Jew
0.04500490	Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.04483850	Druze
0.04480130	Karaite_Egypt
0.04455266	Yemenite_Jew
0.04440157	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.04412071	Lebanese_Druze
0.04394881	Yemenite_Mahra
0.04374263	Yemenite_Dhamar
0.04359934	Moroccan_Jew
0.04351530	Yemenite_Amran
0.04349986	BedouinB
0.04338460	Saudi
0.04307517	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.04216652	SaudiA
0.04119640	Palestinian

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
B: DEU_MA_Erfurt3
C: ↴
-0.03655141	Moksha
-0.03642345	Erzya
-0.03638595	Moldovan
-0.03633718	Russian_Ryazan
-0.03621086	Russian_Yaroslavl
-0.03615888	Moldovan_o
-0.03610887	Russian_Kostroma
-0.03609789	Russian_Orel
-0.03589964	Russian_Krasnoborsky
-0.03589894	Ukrainian_Sumy
-0.03587560	Finnish_Southwest
-0.03585961	Finnish_North
-0.03585799	Russian_Smolensk
-0.03583538	Russian_Tver
-0.03578105	Ukrainian_Lviv
-0.03575684	Russian_Kaluga
-0.03575416	Russian_Kursk
-0.03570317	Finnish_Central
-0.03566025	Ukrainian_Dnipro
-0.03564501	Vepsian
-0.03561883	Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
-0.03560655	Ingrian
-0.03554522	Ukrainian_Rivne
-0.03549995	Ukrainian_Chernihiv
-0.03546882	Belarusian

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
B: DEU_MA_Erfurt3
C: ↴
0.03516346	Libyan_Jew
0.03514953	Tunisian_Jew
0.03392982	Moroccan_Jew
0.03307487	Samaritan
0.03297179	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.03291547	Lebanese_Christian
0.03286547	Romaniote_Jew
0.03192283	Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.03177927	Italian_Jew
0.03175976	Syrian_Jew
0.03156510	Sephardic_Jew
0.03148617	Yemenite_Dhamar
0.03144198	BedouinB
0.03121155	Yemenite_Amran
0.03120889	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.03114299	Yemenite_Jew
0.03109099	Ashkenazi_Germany
0.03109035	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.03106405	Cypriot
0.03103436	Palestinian
0.03075103	Saudi
0.03074400	Yemenite_Mahra
0.03053312	Jordanian
0.03015091	BedouinA
0.03004093	Druze

[Erikl86]

Difference between the East Eurasian-admixed group and the others.

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Erfurt_EU_avg
B: Erfurt_ME_avg
C: ↴
-0.05083456	Moksha
-0.05064353	Erzya
-0.05061017	Russian_Orel
-0.05058605	Russian_Ryazan
-0.05055205	Russian_Kostroma
-0.05047344	Russian_Tver
-0.05033446	Finnish_Southwest
-0.05020540	Ukrainian_Sumy
-0.05019985	Finnish_North
-0.05015738	Russian_Krasnoborsky
-0.05013504	Russian_Yaroslavl
-0.05012184	Russian_Kursk
-0.05008431	Finnish_Central
-0.05008281	Ukrainian_Dnipro
-0.04995033	Ingrian
-0.04994234	Russian_Smolensk
-0.04989312	Karelian
-0.04989236	Vepsian
-0.04986175	Ukrainian_Lviv
-0.04983674	Moldovan
-0.04981847	Belarusian
-0.04980858	Moldovan_o
-0.04976081	Russian_Kaluga
-0.04966464	Estonian
-0.04965922	Russian_Voronez

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: Erfurt_EU_avg
B: Erfurt_ME_avg
C: ↴
0.04829895	Italian_Jew
0.04813526	Romaniote_Jew
0.04661979	Tunisian_Jew
0.04543682	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.04531804	Samaritan
0.04519230	Sephardic_Jew
0.04482268	Lebanese_Christian
0.04477145	Libyan_Jew
0.04324822	Cypriot
0.04094855	Moroccan_Jew
0.04091043	Syrian_Jew
0.04064079	Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.04021960	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.04020597	Yemenite_Jew
0.03998171	Yemenite_Mahra
0.03980785	Druze
0.03971922	Yemenite_Dhamar
0.03969240	BedouinB
0.03946907	Saudi
0.03941491	Yemenite_Amran
0.03928976	Karaite_Egypt
0.03913034	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.03908892	Lebanese_Druze
0.03867645	Ashkenazi_Germany
0.03800762	SaudiA

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
B: DEU_MA_Erfurt1
C: ↴
-0.05722697	Moksha
-0.05708398	Erzya
-0.05696030	Russian_Kostroma
-0.05682965	Russian_Ryazan
-0.05677312	Russian_Tver
-0.05661856	Russian_Krasnoborsky
-0.05650609	Russian_Orel
-0.05645487	Ingrian
-0.05641776	Russian_Yaroslavl
-0.05640535	Finnish_Central
-0.05634201	Karelian
-0.05632614	Vepsian
-0.05632503	Finnish_North
-0.05623048	Finnish_Southwest
-0.05612121	Moldovan_o
-0.05609702	Russian_Kursk
-0.05607827	Ukrainian_Dnipro
-0.05590644	Russian_Pinega
-0.05586970	Moldovan
-0.05585884	Ukrainian_Sumy
-0.05581423	Russian_Kaluga
-0.05576589	Estonian
-0.05565898	Russian_Pinezhsky
-0.05564285	Russian_Smolensk
-0.05556177	Russian_Voronez

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
B: DEU_MA_Erfurt1
C: ↴
0.05291692	Romaniote_Jew
0.05268672	Italian_Jew
0.05157174	Samaritan
0.05155347	Sephardic_Jew
0.05151471	Tunisian_Jew
0.05059168	Lebanese_Christian
0.05017469	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.04931650	Libyan_Jew
0.04880563	Cypriot
0.04606061	Syrian_Jew
0.04500490	Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.04483850	Druze
0.04480130	Karaite_Egypt
0.04455266	Yemenite_Jew
0.04440157	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.04412071	Lebanese_Druze
0.04394881	Yemenite_Mahra
0.04374263	Yemenite_Dhamar
0.04359934	Moroccan_Jew
0.04351530	Yemenite_Amran
0.04349986	BedouinB
0.04338460	Saudi
0.04307517	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.04216652	SaudiA
0.04119640	Palestinian

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
B: DEU_MA_Erfurt3
C: ↴
-0.03655141	Moksha
-0.03642345	Erzya
-0.03638595	Moldovan
-0.03633718	Russian_Ryazan
-0.03621086	Russian_Yaroslavl
-0.03615888	Moldovan_o
-0.03610887	Russian_Kostroma
-0.03609789	Russian_Orel
-0.03589964	Russian_Krasnoborsky
-0.03589894	Ukrainian_Sumy
-0.03587560	Finnish_Southwest
-0.03585961	Finnish_North
-0.03585799	Russian_Smolensk
-0.03583538	Russian_Tver
-0.03578105	Ukrainian_Lviv
-0.03575684	Russian_Kaluga
-0.03575416	Russian_Kursk
-0.03570317	Finnish_Central
-0.03566025	Ukrainian_Dnipro
-0.03564501	Vepsian
-0.03561883	Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
-0.03560655	Ingrian
-0.03554522	Ukrainian_Rivne
-0.03549995	Ukrainian_Chernihiv
-0.03546882	Belarusian

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓
A: DEU_MA_Erfurt2
B: DEU_MA_Erfurt3
C: ↴
0.03516346	Libyan_Jew
0.03514953	Tunisian_Jew
0.03392982	Moroccan_Jew
0.03307487	Samaritan
0.03297179	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.03291547	Lebanese_Christian
0.03286547	Romaniote_Jew
0.03192283	Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.03177927	Italian_Jew
0.03175976	Syrian_Jew
0.03156510	Sephardic_Jew
0.03148617	Yemenite_Dhamar
0.03144198	BedouinB
0.03121155	Yemenite_Amran
0.03120889	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.03114299	Yemenite_Jew
0.03109099	Ashkenazi_Germany
0.03109035	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.03106405	Cypriot
0.03103436	Palestinian
0.03075103	Saudi
0.03074400	Yemenite_Mahra
0.03053312	Jordanian
0.03015091	BedouinA
0.03004093	Druze

Can't help but to see some geographical similarity between where Moksha and Erzya people live....

mordvins.PNG

vs. a certain khaganate which some of it's population practiced Judaism:

Chasaren.jpg

[Abceff]

Target: Erfurt_EU_avg
Distance: 1.8790% / 0.01878962
47.8 Anatolian_Farmer
28.6 Steppe
8.2 CHG/IranN
5.2 Natufian
4.8 KAZ_Karluk
3.6 Baltic_HG
1.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Erfurt_ME_avg
Distance: 1.2118% / 0.01211840
47.0 Anatolian_Farmer
19.6 Steppe
18.0 Natufian
15.4 CHG/IranN

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Can't help but to see some geographical similarity between where Moksha and Erzya people live....

mordvins.PNG

vs. a certain khaganate which some of it's population practiced Judaism:

Chasaren.jpg

In my opinion AJ's East Eurasian was not brought by the Khazars but by Turkic-speaking peoples related to them. The source always seems to be mixed Slavic + Turkic/Tatar. I could be wrong though, I admit I am quite ignorant on the subject.

Target: Ashkenazi_Jew
Distance: 0.4966% / 0.00496631 | R3P
69.8	Italian_Jew
16.4	Austrian
13.8	Turkish_Kayseri

Target: Ashkenazi_Jew
Distance: 0.5178% / 0.00517830 | R3P
72.4	Italian_Jew
17.0	Austrian
10.6	Azerbaijani

Target: Ashkenazi_Jew
Distance: 0.5632% / 0.00563249 | R3P
60.8	Italian_Campania
28.0	Tunisian_Jew
11.2	Tatar_Mishar

Target: Ashkenazi_Jew
Distance: 0.6252% / 0.00625199 | R3P
77.0	Italian_Jew
17.8	Serbian
5.2	Turkmen

[Pylsteen]

Same G25 experiments as before

(1) Erfurt_ME with the components I think are relevant for Ashkenazim, note that German_MA and Slavic_MA may have some overlap:

J_Erfurt_test4.png

(2) Erfurt_EU, same settings:

J_Erfurt_test5.png

(3) Erfurt_EU as a mix of Erfurt_ME_avg, Slavic_MA and Dai:

J_Erfurt_test6.png

for what it's worth (pff, had some quarrel with the attachments, but it seems to work now )

(4) adding Moksha as suggested above for Erfurt_EU absorbs some of the Slavic in some samples, but not all.

J_Erfurt_test7.png