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    Genomes from Verteba cave suggest diversity within the Trypillians in Ukraine

    Continuation of this initial posting in the News section....

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post849251


    Distance to: VertebaCave_V113
    2.56044918 Kazakhstan_MLBA_Dali:I3448
    4.39504266 Russia_MLBA_Krasnoyarsk:I1852
    4.55693976 Kazakhstan_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul:I6790
    4.56743911 Estonia_CordedWare.SG:MA971.SG
    4.90039794 Czech_Bohemia_CordedWare:VLI090
    5.15435738 Poland_Southeast_CordedWare.SG:pcw250.SG
    5.38382763 Czech_CordedWare:I7280
    5.51142450 Russia_MLBA_Krasnoyarsk:I3395
    5.53432019 Poland_CWC_3.SG:N44.SG
    5.59855338 Czech_Bohemia_CordedWare:KO1002
    5.63975177 Czech_Bohemia_CordedWare:VLI070
    5.72600210 Czech_Bohemia_Unetice_EBA:MIS001
    5.77213998 Kazakhstan_Kyzlbulak_MLBA1:I4323
    5.78955957 Czech_Bohemia_CordedWare_dup.I13467:OHR001
    5.82709190 Kazakhstan_MLBA_Karagash_father.or.son.I4262:I4778
    5.87227384 Czech_CordedWare:I7209
    5.87858827 Estonia_CordedWare.SG_o2:MA969.SG
    5.98548244 Russia_Srubnaya:I0424
    6.08212134 Tajikistan_BA_DashtiKozy:I4257
    6.09513741 Russia_Srubnaya_Alakul.SG:kzb009.SG
    6.16358662 Russia_Srubnaya:I0232
    6.18829540 Czech_Bohemia_BellBeaker_oSteppeRU004
    6.27770659 Czech_Bohemia_CordedWare:KON001
    6.28279396 Kazakhstan_MLBA_Aktogai:I4774
    6.35092119 Czech_Bohemia_Unetice_EBA_sister.PDA002DA004

    Distance to: VertebaCave_V114
    6.12585504 Spain_IA_Tartessian:I12561
    6.26609129 Germany_Lech_EBA:OBKR_50_d
    6.73950295 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros_1d.rel.MOK15.SG:MOK16A.SG
    6.86844961 Czech_BellBeaker:I4885
    6.89124082 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker_possible.contam:HUGO_171
    6.90130422 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker_contam:HUGO_180Sk1
    7.11194769 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK20.SG
    7.17853049 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK24A.SG
    7.33966620 Germany_Lech_EBA_contam:OBKR_67
    7.60257851 Germany_BellBeaker:I6624
    7.68164696 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2:CL47
    7.78004499 Italy_Sicily_EBA_o2:I11443
    7.87075600 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros_1d.rel.MOK32.SG:MOK14.SG
    8.00138113 Czech_Bohemia_Unetice_EBA:MIB026
    8.02414481 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK25A.SG
    8.20321279 Czech_BellBeaker:I4945
    8.22640262 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK12.SG
    8.24635071 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:I5520
    8.42625658 Hungary_LBA_Kyjatice.SG:BR2.SG
    8.47801864 Germany_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d
    8.54184406 Spain_IA:I12877
    8.55080113 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK29A.SG
    8.55814816 Spain_IA_o:I3324
    8.58216173 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 24.SG
    8.58291326 Italy_Sardinia_Medieval:SNN002



    Target: VertebaCave_V113
    Distance: 26.4077% / 0.26407687 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    50.4 Kazakhstan_MLBA_Dali
    19.8 Czech_Bohemia_BellBeaker_oSteppe
    12.4 Poland_Southeast_CordedWare.SG_father.or.son.pcw04 0.SG
    7.8 Czech_Bohemia_CordedWare
    7.6 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker_possible.contam
    1.8 Panama_IsthmoColombian_Colonial_oAfrica_lc.SG
    0.2 Czech_EBA

    Target: VertebaCave_V114
    Distance: 50.9914% / 0.50991435 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    47.6 Spain_IA_Tartessian
    19.4 Italy_Sicily_EBA_o2
    10.0 Hungary_Langobard_o2.SG
    8.2 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker_possible.contam
    6.2 Spain_IA
    4.8 Germany_Brillenhohle_published_lc
    1.8 England_Viking.SG
    1.2 Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic_lc
    0.8 Czech_BellBeaker



    K36 gets really weird.
    Code:
    Filename	Calculator	Genotype ratio	Amerindian	Arabian	Armenian	Basque	Central_African	Central_Euro	East_African	East_Asian	East_Balkan	East_Central_Asian	East_Central_Euro	East_Med	Eastern_Euro	Fennoscandian	French	Iberian	Indo-Chinese	Italian	Malayan	Near_Eastern	North_African	North_Atlantic	North_Caucasian	North_Sea	Northeast_African	Oceanian	Omotic	Pygmy	Siberian	South_Asian	South_Central_Asian	South_Chinese	Volga-Ural	West_African	West_Caucasian	West_Med	
    vert113.txt	Eurogenes K36	75.78%	0.76	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	3.46	0.00	0.00	0.38	0.00	6.59	0.00	8.93	13.65	3.56	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	15.59	15.83	16.37	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.80	0.00	0.00	7.51	0.00	3.87	2.69	0.00	0.00	
    vert114.txt	Eurogenes K36	27.90%	0.59	0.00	0.00	3.01	0.00	7.93	0.00	0.00	0.32	0.00	4.01	0.00	4.14	7.28	6.63	16.65	0.65	13.87	0.00	0.00	0.00	18.48	2.31	2.16	0.00	0.00	1.00	0.00	0.00	0.39	0.00	0.00	0.00	3.36	0.00	7.24
    Target: VertebaCave_V113
    Distance: 12.88

    38.40% Orcadian
    23.00% Tabassaran
    13.20% Pole
    10.60% Komi
    08.00% Karelian
    05.60% Yagnobi
    00.60% AfricanBarbados
    00.60% Lezgins

    Target: VertebaCave_V114
    Distance: 13.70
    64.60% GreatBritain
    09.80% Montenegran
    07.80% Spaniard
    07.20% Kosovar
    05.20% Sardinian
    01.60% AfricanBarbados
    01.60% French
    01.40% Moroccans
    00.80% AshkenazyJews-RomanianJew

    Thinking the low coverage of V114 is causing this...
    Last edited by PLogan; 05-21-2022 at 04:27 PM.

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    reposting from the news thread... (this post is more appropriate here)



    according to the study, vert113 is from the Srubnaya period, and he is autossomaly CWC derived (as expected)

    vert114 is more unusual. he is dated to the Cimmerian/Scythian period, but:

    A Late Bronze Age individual dated to 980–825 cal BCE has a genetic profile indicating affinity to Beaker-related populations, detected close to 1000 years after the end of the Bell Beaker phenomenon during the third millennium BCE.
    the k13 results indicate a possible Balto-Slavic drift in addition to that, which would be important for the Balto-Slavic story. I'll wait for the g25 coordinates for confirmation.

    PLogan's model for vert114 from the other Thread:
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    Mixed Mode:
    1 69.14% Spanish_Valencia + 30.86% Estonian_Polish @ 4.607
    2 64.45% Spanish_Valencia + 35.55% Ukrainian @ 4.622
    3 72.27% Spanish_Valencia + 27.73% Lithuanian @ 4.678
    4 66.80% Spanish_Valencia + 33.20% Polish @ 4.695
    5 69.14% Spanish_Valencia + 30.86% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.701
    6 70.70% Spanish_Valencia + 29.30% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.717
    7 63.67% Spanish_Valencia + 36.33% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.759
    8 69.14% Spanish_Valencia + 30.86% Southwest_Russian @ 4.761
    9 69.14% Spanish_Valencia + 30.86% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.813
    10 63.67% Spanish_Valencia + 36.33% South_Polish @ 4.822
    
    Least-squares method.
    
    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% French  @ 10.385
    2 100% Spanish_Galicia  @ 12.355
    3 100% West_German  @ 12.451
    4 100% Portuguese  @ 12.852
    5 100% Spanish_Cataluna  @ 12.899
    6 100% South_Dutch  @ 12.901
    7 100% Austrian  @ 13.272
    8 100% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon  @ 13.917
    9 100% Southwest_French  @ 14.737
    10 100% East_German  @ 14.783
    
    Using 2 populations approximation
    1 50% Spanish_Aragon + 50% Croatian  @ 5.486
    2 50% Spanish_Cantabria + 50% Hungarian  @ 5.571
    3 50% Spanish_Cantabria + 50% Croatian  @ 5.817
    4 50% East_German + 50% Spanish_Valencia  @ 5.845
    5 50% Spanish_Valencia + 50% Hungarian  @ 5.871
    6 50% Southwest_French + 50% Hungarian  @ 5.888
    7 50% Spanish_Valencia + 50% Croatian  @ 5.925
    8 50% East_German + 50% Spanish_Extremadura  @ 5.944
    9 50% Portuguese + 50% East_German  @ 5.949
    10 50% Spanish_Galicia + 50% East_German  @ 5.956
    
    Using 3 populations approximation
    1 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Ukrainian  @ 4.678
    2 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Polish  @ 4.693
    3 33% Spanish_Extremadura + 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Polish  @ 4.750
    4 33% Spanish_Extremadura + 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Ukrainian  @ 4.763
    5 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Spanish_Cantabria + 33% Ukrainian  @ 4.769
    6 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Estonian_Polish  @ 4.770
    7 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Spanish_Cantabria + 33% Southwest_Russian  @ 4.794
    8 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Spanish_Murcia + 33% Ukrainian  @ 4.799
    9 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Spanish_Murcia + 33% Polish  @ 4.827
    10 33% Spanish_Extremadura + 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Estonian_Polish  @ 4.839
    
    Using 4 populations approximation
    1 25% Spanish_Extremadura + 25% Spanish_Extremadura + 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Lithuanian  @ 4.830
    2 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Lithuanian  @ 4.846
    3 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Spanish_Murcia + 25% Lithuanian  @ 4.885
    4 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Spanish_Cantabria + 25% Erzya  @ 4.928
    5 25% Portuguese + 25% Portuguese + 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Lithuanian  @ 4.930
    6 25% Portuguese + 25% Portuguese + 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Estonian_Polish  @ 4.966
    7 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Erzya  @ 5.001
    8 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Spanish_Cantabria + 25% Lithuanian  @ 5.027
    9 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Estonian_Polish  @ 5.055
    10 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Erzya  @ 5.079
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    Quote Originally Posted by PLogan View Post
    Guess I can thank you again here... Cheers to you bce for making available the raw DNA files I've been playing with. Thank you for sharing.
    no problem. thanks for the analysis.

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    g25 coordinates by Davidski

    Code:
    vert113_scaled,0.091058,0.107646,0.051288,0.070414,0.001539,0.034582,-0.000235,0.001385,-0.027815,-0.037723,0.005034,-0.000899,-0.001487,-0.021882,0.025108,0.008618,-0.012126,0.00114,-0.008673,-0.004377,-0.002745,0.003833,0.005793,0.010483,0.002874
    vert114_scaled,0.092197,0.140143,0.053174,0.021964,0.044624,0.017012,-0.00188,0.005077,0.013703,0.018953,-0.002436,0.005395,-0.009514,-0.00523,-0.003122,0.009414,0.008345,-0.00152,0.003268,-0.001376,0.01435,0.011623,-0.002218,-0.012893,-0.005029
    
    vert113,0.008,0.0106,0.0136,0.0218,0.0005,0.0124,-0.0001,0.0006,-0.0136,-0.0207,0.0031,-0.0006,-0.001,-0.0159,0.0185,0.0065,-0.0093,0.0009,-0.0069,-0.0035,-0.0022,0.0031,0.0047,0.0087,0.0024
    vert114,0.0081,0.0138,0.0141,0.0068,0.0145,0.0061,-0.0008,0.0022,0.0067,0.0104,-0.0015,0.0036,-0.0064,-0.0038,-0.0023,0.0071,0.0064,-0.0012,0.0026,-0.0011,0.0115,0.0094,-0.0018,-0.0107,-0.0042

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    Distance to: vert113_scaled
    0.03884547 TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4258___BC_1554___Coverage_65.9 2%
    0.03919462 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA:I1082___BC_1875___Coverage_25.1 9%
    0.04026986 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA:I4773___BC_1558___Coverage_68.26%
    0.04152666 Corded_Ware_POL:pcw361___BC_2350___Coverage_70.33%
    0.04209814 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA:I4774___BC_1553___Coverage_68.24%
    0.04213123 Corded_Ware_POL:N44___BC_2450___Coverage_88.39%
    0.04314393 Corded_Ware_CZE_late:CAH005.B0102___BC_2399___Cove rage_58.30%
    0.04328799 RUS_Fatyanovo_Yaroslavl_BA:VOR004___BC_2748___Cove rage_68.47%
    0.04341727 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA:I6716___BC_1621___Coverage_72 .32%
    0.04383038 UZB_Kashkarchi_BA:I4255___BC_1100___Coverage_62.40 %
    0.04402965 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA:I1852___BC_1562___Coverage_28 .34%
    0.04458851 Corded_Ware_POL:pcw362___BC_2355___Coverage_86.84%
    0.04473843 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA1:I4787___BC_1266___Coverage_67.4 5%
    0.04475675 KAZ_Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA:I7060___BC_1489___Coverage_57 .51%
    0.04508621 Corded_Ware_CZE_late:I7209___BC_2319___Coverage_73 .96%
    0.04527081 KAZ_Kyzlbulak_MLBA1:I4323___BC_1672___Coverage_63. 48%
    0.04527674 KAZ_Kyzyl_EIA:KZL004___BC_1368___Coverage_72.15%
    0.04530159 Bell_Beaker_CZE_early:TIS002.merged___BC_2520___Co verage_70.48%
    0.04560880 RUS_Fatyanovo_Moscow_BA:HAN004___BC_2561___Coverag e_66.25%
    0.04563654 RUS_Potapovka_MLBA:I0419___BC_2050___Coverage_49.9 3%
    0.04572542 KAZ_Mys_MLBA:I4321___BC_1572___Coverage_64.08%
    0.04578558 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul:I6797___BC_1745___Coverage_ 74.51%
    0.04605412 RUS_Fatyanovo_Yaroslavl_BA:NIK008AB___BC_2558___Co verage_68.18%
    0.04621718 KAZ_Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA:I4789___BC_1537___Coverage_73 .67%
    0.04641847 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA:I0361___BC_1525___Coverage_47.15 %

    Distance to: vert114_scaled
    0.03418293 VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK345___AD_950___Coverage_65.0 0%
    0.03953885 VK2020_England_Oxford_VA:VK146___AD_940___Coverage _67.43%
    0.04051379 HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18530___BC_280___Coverage_62.47%
    0.04138229 VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA:VK365___AD_950___Coverage_ 53.77%
    0.04279450 SRB_BA_Maros:I23210___BC_1950___Coverage_72.50%
    0.04334017 FRA_LN_EBA:I10343___BC_2100___Coverage_71.58%
    0.04350855 SRB_BA_Maros:I23211___BC_1950___Coverage_72.96%
    0.04461360 CZE_IA_La_Tene_Hallstatt:I16090___BC_2250___Covera ge_68.77%
    0.04465854 CZE_MBA_Tumulus:I16099___BC_1375___Coverage_60.24%
    0.04525122 HUN_La_Tene:I18492___BC_290___Coverage_74.96%
    0.04572586 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ45___AD_508___Coverage_99.91%
    0.04622735 VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK442___AD_853___Coverage_68.8 3%
    0.04629588 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL94___AD_605___Coverage_74.37%
    0.04650252 FRA_Champagne_IA2:I21399___BC_250___Coverage_61.06 %
    0.04670298 VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA:VK317___AD_950___Coverage_ 69.64%
    0.04688093 CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15960___BC_1050___Coverage_64.18%
    0.04689465 VK2020_DNK_Jutland_VA:VK330___AD_1054___Coverage_6 2.61%
    0.04713817 HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18527___BC_250___Coverage_59.40%
    0.04725613 CZE_IA_La_Tene:I15047___BC_220___Coverage_46.70%
    0.04765121 CZE_IA_La_Tene:I15951___BC_270___Coverage_61.02%
    0.04775599 HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18246___BC_775___Cov erage_67.64%
    0.04776446 VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK357___AD_1063___Coverage_73. 27%
    0.04783482 CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20525___BC_900___Coverage_24.20%
    0.04783709 HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18839___BC_250___Coverage_55.91%
    0.04796308 VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK336___AD_859___Coverage_69.6 3%


    Target: vert113_scaled
    Distance: 0.9485% / 0.00948514 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    25.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    13.4 Corded_Ware_CZE_late
    12.8 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
    10.8 UKR_Catacomb
    9.2 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    6.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA
    6.6 Corded_Ware_CZE_early
    6.0 VK2020_Faroes_EM
    3.6 KAZ_Mys_MLBA
    3.2 ZAF_400BP
    1.6 MAR_EN
    0.2 SDN_MA_Kulubnarti

    Target: vert114_scaled
    Distance: 1.0523% / 0.01052250 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    41.8 HUN_IA_La_Tene
    19.2 SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros
    12.0 England_LBA
    8.0 Scotland_C_EBA_highEEF_low_res
    8.0 VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA
    7.4 HRV_Jag_MBA
    3.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

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    Distance to: vert113_scaled
    0.04206516 Corded_Ware_Czechia_Early
    0.04209723 Srubnaya_MLBA
    0.04212581 Andronovo_MLBA_Mitjurino
    0.04236025 Aktogai_MLBA
    0.04306737 Dashti-Kozy_BA
    0.04361196 Kazakh_Mys_MLBA
    0.04398056 Andronovo_MLBA_Ust-Bir
    0.04435910 Fatyanovo_BA_Moscow
    0.04447139 Corded_Ware_Czechia_Late
    0.04471717 Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA
    0.04482260 Shoendykol_MLBA
    0.04495475 Andronovo_MLBA_Orak
    0.04526542 Sintashta_MLBA
    0.04527674 Kyzyl_LBA
    0.04583416 Corded_Ware_Poland
    0.04587848 Fatyanovo_BA_Ivanovo
    0.04597070 Andronovo_MLBA_Potroshilovo
    0.04612392 Kashkarchi_BA
    0.04637576 Maitan_MLBA
    0.04641120 Kokcha_BA
    0.04664528 Kairan_MLBA
    0.04703646 Fatyanovo_BA_Yaroslavl
    0.04774215 Bulgaria_MLBA
    0.04806860 Oy-Dzhaylau_MLBA
    0.04861661 Sintashta_MLBA_(contaminated)

    Distance to: vert114_scaled
    0.03953885 England_Viking_Age_Oxford_(Alpine_Profile)
    0.04156281 French_Occitan_Provence-Alpes-Cote_d'Azur_o
    0.04334384 Czechia_IA_La_Tene_(Intermediate_Profile)
    0.04360120 Hungary_IA_La_Tene_(Intermediate_Profile)
    0.04365681 Sweden_Viking_Age_Oland_(Mixed_Northern-Southern_Profile)
    0.04390155 Bell_Beaker_Hungary
    0.04444354 Serbia_EBA_Maros_Ostojicevo
    0.04513215 Czechia_IA_La_Tene_(Intermediate_Profile)_(low_res )
    0.04568936 Czechia_EIA_Hallstatt_Bylany
    0.04574258 Czechia_LBA_Urnfield_Knoviz
    0.04636880 Germany_EBA_Singen
    0.04637251 French_Oďl_Centre-Val_de_Loire_Indre
    0.04652916 Germany_EBA_Lech_Valley_(contaminated)
    0.04672999 French_Occitan_Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes_Puy-de-Dome
    0.04679170 French_Oďl_Grand_Est_Moselle
    0.04680937 Iberia_Catalonia_Early_Medieval_Visigoth
    0.04689313 French_Occitan_Occitanie_Aveyron
    0.04701056 Czechia_MBA_Tumulus
    0.04713829 Denmark_Viking_Age_Langeland_(Mixed_Northern-Southern_Profile)
    0.04743285 Switzerland_EBA
    0.04751178 Slovakia_LIA_La_Tene
    0.04760590 Bell_Beaker_France_Provence
    0.04762268 France_IA2_La_Tene_Grand_Est_(Intermediate_Profile )
    0.04768084 Italy_Renaissance_Rome_(Northern_Profile)
    0.04811278 Italy_Roman_Empire_Rome_(Gallic_Profile)


    Target: vert113_scaled
    Distance: 1.1816% / 0.01181625 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    26.4 Catacomb_BA_Ukraine
    25.4 Srubnaya_MLBA
    18.8 Ak-Moustafa_MLBA
    16.0 Andronovo_MLBA_Potroshilovo
    6.8 Hajji_Firuz_BA
    4.4 Berber_Morocco_Central_Atlas_Tamazight_Errachidia_ Intermediate_Profile
    2.2 Champagne_Castle_400BP

    Target: vert114_scaled
    Distance: 1.2695% / 0.01269484 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    34.4 French_Occitan_Provence-Alpes-Cote_d'Azur_o
    16.2 Croatia_MBA_Southern_Danubian_Encrusted_Pottery
    11.2 Scotland_CA-EBA_o_(low_res)
    8.0 France_LBA_Grand_Est
    8.0 Wales_N_(low_res)
    7.4 Greenland_Western_Settlement_Viking_Age_(Late_Nors e)_(Norse_Profile)
    4.2 Poland_LN_Lengyel_(BKG)_o2
    4.0 Iberia_Cantabria_EBA_(low_res)
    2.8 France_IA2_La_Tene_Hauts-de-France_(Intermediate_Profile)_(low_res)
    1.8 Yoruba_Nigeria_(low_res)
    1.0 Kenyan_Bantu
    0.6 Egyptian_Copt_Sudan_o
    0.2 Iberia_Catalonia_Early_Modern_Barcelona_Reapers'_W ar_Spanish_Soldier_(Spanish_Profile)
    0.2 Mijikenda_Kambe_o2

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    they both seem to have 3-4% SSA Afrcian noise.

    coordinates with the noise filtered out:
    Code:
    vert113,0.119271202702703,0.109591544698545,0.05254674012474,0.072480931392931,0.001569396049896,0.035419244282744,3.88607068607068E-05,0.000765169438669,-0.027507997920998,-0.039904168399168,0.005040418918919,-0.000845713097713,-0.001422435550936,-0.022537065488566,0.026185568607069,0.008607512474012,-0.012373217255717,0.001380205821206,-0.008846784823285,-0.004861104989605,-0.003097408523909,0.0040356995842,0.005924459459459,0.011016086278586,0.00286927962578
    vert114,0.124682947807933,0.142725298538622,0.054860400835073,0.022105607515658,0.046094657620042,0.017928985386221,-0.002879407098121,0.005168058455115,0.015863939457203,0.018976981210856,-0.002827590814196,0.005158475991649,-0.010048425887265,-0.00565236743215,-0.003651603340292,0.009890643006263,0.008762281837161,-0.003430649269311,0.004507920668058,-0.001173146137787,0.015050233820459,0.012230158663883,-0.002385473903967,-0.013426549060543,-0.005679956158664

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    Quote Originally Posted by bce View Post
    g25 coordinates by Davidski

    Code:
    vert113_scaled,0.091058,0.107646,0.051288,0.070414,0.001539,0.034582,-0.000235,0.001385,-0.027815,-0.037723,0.005034,-0.000899,-0.001487,-0.021882,0.025108,0.008618,-0.012126,0.00114,-0.008673,-0.004377,-0.002745,0.003833,0.005793,0.010483,0.002874
    vert114_scaled,0.092197,0.140143,0.053174,0.021964,0.044624,0.017012,-0.00188,0.005077,0.013703,0.018953,-0.002436,0.005395,-0.009514,-0.00523,-0.003122,0.009414,0.008345,-0.00152,0.003268,-0.001376,0.01435,0.011623,-0.002218,-0.012893,-0.005029
    
    vert113,0.008,0.0106,0.0136,0.0218,0.0005,0.0124,-0.0001,0.0006,-0.0136,-0.0207,0.0031,-0.0006,-0.001,-0.0159,0.0185,0.0065,-0.0093,0.0009,-0.0069,-0.0035,-0.0022,0.0031,0.0047,0.0087,0.0024
    vert114,0.0081,0.0138,0.0141,0.0068,0.0145,0.0061,-0.0008,0.0022,0.0067,0.0104,-0.0015,0.0036,-0.0064,-0.0038,-0.0023,0.0071,0.0064,-0.0012,0.0026,-0.0011,0.0115,0.0094,-0.0018,-0.0107,-0.0042
    Are these correct? On a standard PCA, they being pulled very far in the direction of Levant_Natufian/Iranian. Very unexpected position outside the usual range, as if they got a lot of Caucasian and being rather Cimmerians or something along those lines. But probably I did something wrong after the latest custom PCA update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bce View Post
    they both seem to have 3-4% SSA Afrcian noise.

    coordinates with the noise filtered out:
    Code:
    vert113,0.119271202702703,0.109591544698545,0.05254674012474,0.072480931392931,0.001569396049896,0.035419244282744,3.88607068607068E-05,0.000765169438669,-0.027507997920998,-0.039904168399168,0.005040418918919,-0.000845713097713,-0.001422435550936,-0.022537065488566,0.026185568607069,0.008607512474012,-0.012373217255717,0.001380205821206,-0.008846784823285,-0.004861104989605,-0.003097408523909,0.0040356995842,0.005924459459459,0.011016086278586,0.00286927962578
    vert114,0.124682947807933,0.142725298538622,0.054860400835073,0.022105607515658,0.046094657620042,0.017928985386221,-0.002879407098121,0.005168058455115,0.015863939457203,0.018976981210856,-0.002827590814196,0.005158475991649,-0.010048425887265,-0.00565236743215,-0.003651603340292,0.009890643006263,0.008762281837161,-0.003430649269311,0.004507920668058,-0.001173146137787,0.015050233820459,0.012230158663883,-0.002385473903967,-0.013426549060543,-0.005679956158664
    With those coordinates they plot like expected. The LBA sample plots closest to Mezocsat/Thraco-Cimmerians, between Lech_EBA (Tumulus culture stand in), slightly Gáva/Channelled Ware shifted.

    On my standard PCA for Central Europe, its very clear, vert114 is from Gáva/Channelled Ware:



    Kind of proves that this handful of samples from HUN_LBA, at least those removed from both Encrusted Pottery and the West Pannonians, are indeed Gáva-Kyjatice samples. Because the same ancestry spread with Gáva into that North Carpathian area as well (Gáva-Holigrady culture). In the range of Gáva to Lusatians in any case.
    Last edited by Riverman; 05-21-2022 at 08:13 PM.

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