nMonte3: Iron Age for NW/W Europe

**Telfermagne** · 05-31-2022, 12:17 AM

The suggested admixture components are Nordic Iron Age, Arras Culture, La Tène Central Europe, La Tène Western Europe, Estonia Iron Age, Finland Iron Age, Italic Iron Age, East Iberian Iron Age, and Early Slav. Also, I use nMonte3 via 'R' as opposed to the online runners; I specify because the online runners do not always match up with actual nMonte3.

Nordic Iron Age is the average of coordinates for samples VK579, VK522, VK391, VK390, VK418, VK523, VK532, VK521, VK213 and VK582.

Arras Culture is the average of coordinates for the East Yorkshire MIA samples (k = 37), from Large-scale migration into Britain during the Middle to Late Bronze Age (2021):

We highlight the case of East Yorkshire,
where most individuals are from ‘Arras Culture’ contexts comprising
square-ditched barrows and occasional chariot burials. Similarities
to funerary traditions of IA societies in the Paris Basin and Ardennes/
Champagne regions have led to suggestions that East Yorkshire was
influenced by direct migration from continental Europe in the IA.

La Tène Central Europe is the average of coordinates for the La Tène samples from Czech Republic (k = 40).

La Tène Western Europe is the average of coordinates for the La Tène samples from France (*IA2, k = 20).

Estonia Iron Age is the average of coordinates for s19_0LS10_1, s19_V10_2, s19_V11_1, s19_V12_1, s19_VII4_1, and s19_X04_1.

Finland Iron Age is the average of coordinates for the Levanluhta IA samples: DA234, DA238, JK1968, and JK1970.

Italic Iron Age is the average of coordinates for RMPR851, RMPR1016, and RMPR435b.

East Iberian Iron Age is the average of coordinates for I12410, I12879, I3320, I3321, I3322, I3323, I3324, and I3327.

Early Slav is a loner, RISE569. If anyone knows of some additional early Slav samples I would appreciate the hint.

PCA:

Attachment 49816

Model:

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Nordic_Iron_Age_Average,0.1255469,0.1303941,0.0740 288,0.0654721,0.041423,0.0213351,0.002914,0.010153 6,0.0052971,-0.0100595,-0.0037025,0.0039266,-0.0087412,-0.0074041,0.0223123,0.0065102,-0.0118388,0.0034079,0.0039094,0.0062279,0.0086349, 0.0042908,-0.0030197,0.0129415,0.0004431
Arras_Culture_Average,0.129604541,0.132457946,0.06 0084459,0.048790459,0.03880127,0.017389189,0.00238 8135,0.004166135,0.005350649,0.005457297,-0.00508673,0.00684927,-0.015050946,-0.017061595,0.021396162,0.007321135,-0.004471811,0.001554459,0.001205946,0.002271297,0. 005331784,0.003870054,-0.002618216,0.006715324,0.000203919
La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average,0.128477775,0.13773 12,0.05793515,0.036135625,0.0412615,0.010158575,0. 002761275,0.003680575,0.00743955,0.01031005,-0.003312775,0.005046725,-0.01234995,-0.009351375,0.008815,0.00627475,-0.000283575,0.001681725,0.001112425,0.003135875,0. 003631125,0.0030264,-0.00218145,0.00156345,-0.0011615
La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average,0.1284494,0.1394829 5,0.05851025,0.02756805,0.0475933,0.008269,0.00231 475,0.00158075,0.01345755,0.02072945,-0.0019324,0.00863235,-0.016427,-0.0094822,0.0135857,-0.00063645,-0.006128,0.00381965,0.00130725,-0.00153825,0.0051472,0.0032088,-0.0033339,-0.00196415,-0.0015029
Estonia_Iron_Age_Average,0.12881,0.106461333,0.093 903,0.093077833,0.043495167,0.032258333,0.00971366 7,0.013153333,0.001977333,-0.036356,0.005412833,-0.012114333,0.0222,0.014886167,-0.005768167,0.008198333,0.010474,-0.000654667,0.003289,0.011193,0.006072667,-0.00237,0.002855333,-0.011808667,-0.0021555
Early_Slav:RISE569,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0.046 835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Finland_Iron_Age_Average,0.1044325,-0.036051,0.1057825,0.0792965,-0.01223275,0.008576,0.006169,0.01419175,0.00373275 ,-0.03034225,0.033046,-0.0083175,0.019772,-0.0182695,-0.0065485,-0.0034805,-3.275E-05,-0.00316725,-0.00738475,0.00084425,0.016658,-0.00185475,-0.0016945,0.004097,0.00083825
Italic_Iron_Age_Average,0.129758333,0.149621667,0. 041609,-0.006998333,0.044726,-0.003532667,0.000626667,0.000307667,0.024202,0.045 498,-0.002760667,0.013238333,-0.026858,-0.011468667,-0.000633333,0.002652,0.005476,0.000633667,0.003897 ,-0.001501,-0.000582333,0.002061,-0.001150333,-0.006225667,-0.003433
East_Iberian_Iron_Age_Average,0.124494125,0.148901 75,0.056473875,0.00218025,0.05985725,-0.0031725,-0.003642625,0.004471125,0.02998825,0.04688025,-0.00470925,0.01110875,-0.0233585,-0.014519125,0.007854875,0.005635125,0.006779875,0. 00161525,0.003802375,-0.00103175,0.00556825,-0.000092625,-0.007364,-0.012396125,-0.001122625

Results for me and both parents:

[1] "distance%=2.0361"

Me_scaled

Arras_Culture_Average,48.4
La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average,35.4
Italic_Iron_Age_Average,7
Nordic_Iron_Age_Average,4.8
La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average,4
East_Iberian_Iron_Age_Average,0.4

[1] "distance%=1.9606"

Dad_scaled

Nordic_Iron_Age_Average,40.8
Arras_Culture_Average,34.4
La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average,11.8
La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average,5.8
Italic_Iron_Age_Average,3.8
East_Iberian_Iron_Age_Average,3.4

[1] "distance%=2.4431"

Mom_scaled

La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average,35.4
La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average,33.2
Arras_Culture_Average,11.4
Nordic_Iron_Age_Average,11.4
Italic_Iron_Age_Average,8.6

**Garimund** · 05-31-2022, 12:28 AM

Target: garimund_anc_scaled
Distance: 2.1289% / 0.02128859
72.6 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
27.4 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average

**boilermeschew827** · 05-31-2022, 01:09 AM

grandma

Distance to: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
0.02492673 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
0.03129316 La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average
0.04510255 Arras_Culture_Average
0.04908201 East_Iberian_Iron_Age_Average
0.05291789 Italic_Iron_Age_Average
0.06788670 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
0.07380740 Early_Slav:RISE569
0.12604775 Estonia_Iron_Age_Average
0.22146876 Finland_Iron_Age_Average

Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
Distance: 2.1204% / 0.02120441
41.0 Italic_Iron_Age_Average
39.0 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
17.2 East_Iberian_Iron_Age_Average
2.8 Early_Slav

myself

Distance to: boilermeschew827_scaled
0.03790965 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
0.04297916 La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average
0.04311326 Arras_Culture_Average
0.04438311 Early_Slav:RISE569
0.05685198 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
0.07197368 Estonia_Iron_Age_Average
0.09859148 East_Iberian_Iron_Age_Average
0.10249125 Italic_Iron_Age_Average
0.18652046 Finland_Iron_Age_Average

Target: boilermeschew827_scaled
Distance: 2.0633% / 0.02063258
37.4 Estonia_Iron_Age_Average
34.6 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
27.0 Italic_Iron_Age_Average
1.0 Finland_Iron_Age_Average

**PLogan** · 05-31-2022, 01:43 AM

Target: PLogan_scaled
Distance: 3.2657% / 0.03265750
43.6 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
30.4 Arras_Culture_Average
26.0 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.1665% / 0.02166496
67.6 Arras_Culture_Average
13.8 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
9.6 Italic_Iron_Age_Average
9.0 La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average

Target: Mother_scaled
Distance: 2.5814% / 0.02581369
54.4 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
45.4 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
0.2 Arras_Culture_Average

Distance to: PLogan_scaled
0.03513838 Arras_Culture_Average
0.03980149 La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average
0.04158708 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
0.04804304 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
0.07246103 Early_Slav:RISE569
0.08496733 East_Iberian_Iron_Age_Average
0.08555939 Italic_Iron_Age_Average
0.11719437 Estonia_Iron_Age_Average
0.21714087 Finland_Iron_Age_Average

**Dewsloth** · 05-31-2022, 01:51 AM

Dad and some Ancient (but not too ancient) DF19s:

Target: DewslothDad_scaled
Distance: 1.8077% / 0.01807698
41.4 La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average
25.6 Italic_Iron_Age_Average
24.4 Arras_Culture_Average
8.6 Early_Slav

Target: ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR31 ~400AD
Distance: 3.1355% / 0.03135511
43.8 La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average
38.0 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
11.8 East_Iberian_Iron_Age_Average
6.4 Estonia_Iron_Age_Average

Target: England_Roman:6DT23Scaled ~250AD
Distance: 2.9152% / 0.02915152
44.8 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
33.4 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
21.8 Arras_Culture_Average

Target: VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK333 880AD
Distance: 2.9670% / 0.02967044
37.6 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
35.0 Italic_Iron_Age_Average
14.8 Arras_Culture_Average
7.6 La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average
5.0 Early_Slav

If I offer Levant Iron Age, too (Dad is ~6-10% Rhine Ashkenazi):

**JMcB** · 05-31-2022, 03:31 AM

Target: JMcB_scaled
Distance: 1.5283% / 0.01528314 | ADC: 0.5x

46.6 La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average
28.0 Arras_Culture_Average
16.8 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
8.6 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average

Distance to: JMcB_scaled
0.01924604 La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average
0.02185718 Arras_Culture_Average
0.02696698 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
0.04075282 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
0.05817467 Early_Slav:RISE569
0.07134028 East_Iberian_Iron_Age_Average
0.07567400 Italic_Iron_Age_Average
0.10417894 Estonia_Iron_Age_Average
0.20689112 Finland_Iron_Age_Average

**Corky** · 05-31-2022, 03:36 AM

Distance to: Corky_scaled
0.02552362 Arras_Culture_Average
0.03170402 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
0.03537552 La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average
0.04491047 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
0.06120997 Early_Slav:RISE569
0.09044719 East_Iberian_Iron_Age_Average
0.09218137 Italic_Iron_Age_Average
0.10034048 Estonia_Iron_Age_Average
0.20278190 Finland_Iron_Age_Average

Target: Corky_scaled
Distance: 2.1557% / 0.02155682
65.2 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
19.2 Arras_Culture_Average
15.6 Italic_Iron_Age_Average

**MitchellSince1893** · 05-31-2022, 04:52 AM

Distance to: Mitchell_scaled
0.02080961 Arras_Culture_Average
0.03095216 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
0.03233884 La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average
0.04521275 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
0.05666789 Early_Slav:RISE569

Target: Mitchell_scaled
Distance: 1.8401% / 0.01840057
71.0 Arras_Culture_Average
20.2 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
8.8 Early_Slav

Not surprising. My closest ancient dna match is I12771 Middle Iron Age Derbyshire England. Distance = 0.0216

Arras Culture is the average of coordinates for the East Yorkshire MIA samples (k = 37), from Large-scale migration into Britain during the Middle to Late Bronze Age (2021):
We highlight the case of East Yorkshire, where most individuals are from ‘Arras Culture’ contexts comprising square-ditched barrows and occasional chariot burials. Similarities to funerary traditions of IA societies in the Paris Basin and Ardennes/Champagne regions have led to suggestions that East Yorkshire was influenced by direct migration from continental Europe in the IA.

I would tend to place the bulk of these arrivals in the post 400 BC timeframe.

Tribes in Gaul below had some connections to British tribes
-Atrebates (Belgic tribe found in Britain & Gaul. Commius of the Atrebates, Caesar's former ally, fled to Britain after participating in Vercingetorix's rebellion and either joined or established a British branch of his tribe)
-Ambiani (Belgic tribe. Their coins have been found throughout the territories of the Belgic tribes, including the Belgae of Britain)
-Parisii: Same tribal name is found in Yorkshire
-Suessiones (Belgic tribe inhabiting the region between the Oise and the Marne, conquered by Caesar in 57 BC. Within memory of Caesar's time, a king of the Suessiones called Diviciacus was not only the most powerful king of Belgic Gaul, but also ruled territory in Britain)
-Remi (Belgic tribe, occupied the northern Champagne plain, between the Meuse and Marne Rivers, stayed loyal allies to Caesar. The Catulvellauni triibe in Britain are thought to be from the same area)
-Tricasses (Gallic tribe, lived along the Seine in what is now Champagne. Not known to Julius Caesar, but Augustus did know them. The Britiish Trinovantes may have been from here or the Treveri further east)

This area may have had a U152 plurality, located between a L21 plurality/majority to the west i.e Brittany & Normandy and a Germanic majority to the east

Plurality: A group greater than the number of any other group, but not more than half the total, i.e. more than anyone else, but less than a majority

Also, some think the Iceni/Eceni may have been related to the Cenomani

**IberIllyrian** · 05-31-2022, 06:20 AM

Thanks!

I did it and I got:

Target: Iberillyrian_scaled
Distance: 3.3070% / 0.03307013
58.8 Italic_Iron_Age_Average
41.2 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average

In my case it makes sense to include more western Iberian samples as well as dividing Italian, so I added Occitanian, Celtiberian, Sicilian, Etruscan and Sardinian Averages to the model:

Code:

Celtiberian_Average,0.125584667,0.151088222,0.060297333,0.009367,0.060421556,0.000836667,0.000783444,0.006281667,0.029360556,0.042521556,-0.006437,0.005112111,-0.024644667,-0.014389222,0.009636,0.000177,-0.005026889,0.003054556,-0.002709444,-0.001528444,0.010966778,-0.00147,-0.011900111,-0.014553333,-0.002674222
Etruscan_Average,0.120869286,0.158301714,0.033438,-0.019256952,0.047957595,-0.011155667,-0.001678619,-0.003368024,0.024114357,0.04410981,0.000382833,0.010494214,-0.019329381,-0.00596369,-0.003535143,-0.003415714,0.003281238,0.000174905,0.001161167,-0.003867929,0.000650643,0.003715452,-0.001960214,-0.003956238,0.0009295
Occitanie_Average,0.13004325,0.135827,0.05817075,0.021964,0.0506245,0.01220125,-0.002174,-0.003173,0.0177935,0.0249665,0.001827,0.00925425,-0.02084975,-0.0103905,0.0163885,0.00460725,0.00316175,0.0065245,-0.00439925,-0.00800375,0.00995125,0.00253475,-0.00979825,-0.00593475,0.00000025
Sardinian_Average,0.125418875,0.176702125,0.042968188,-0.050105375,0.079091688,-0.025971688,-0.006271688,0.000288375,0.05690875,0.092849313,-0.000943813,0.01603575,-0.031683313,-0.012102188,-0.012477813,-0.00439225,0.008507563,0.0005305,0.005177063,-0.007573938,0.0040475,0.004397313,-0.011577563,-0.027669563,0.001002875
Sicilian_Average,0.124170545,0.167008364,0.018684545,-0.057024182,0.052261273,-0.025962273,-0.002755909,-0.002076727,0.032333455,0.067046273,0.000118,0.011648636,-0.021745,-0.003578182,-0.020000273,-0.009908182,0.006163636,-0.001278545,0.003542364,-0.007458,-0.006545273,-0.000168545,-0.006688909,-0.012279909,0.001589273

(PS:I would not include I20740 to the average of Iberia East)

This is the result with the added samples:

Target: Iberillyrian_scaled
Distance: 2.7998% / 0.02799764
52.0 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
32.0 Etruscan_Average
11.4 Sicilian_Average
4.2 Celtiberian_Average
0.4 Finland_Iron_Age_Average

**lehmannt** · 05-31-2022, 12:37 PM

Thanks for another great model, Telfermagne. While perusing older pages I discovered your models based on Tacitus, which are some of my favorites.

Distance to: TL_scaled
0.02454201 Arras_Culture_Average
0.03410547 La_Tène_Central_Europe_Average
0.03459382 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
0.04246646 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average
0.06347137 Early_Slav:RISE569
0.08739140 East_Iberian_Iron_Age_Average
0.08999247 Italic_Iron_Age_Average
0.10251221 Estonia_Iron_Age_Average
0.20502156 Finland_Iron_Age_Average

Target: TL_scaled
Distance: 2.2414% / 0.02241379
48.6 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
38.4 Arras_Culture_Average
13.0 Italic_Iron_Age_Average

Target: TL_scaled
Distance: 2.2685% / 0.02268515 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.2 Arras_Culture_Average
34.0 Nordic_Iron_Age_Average
19.8 La_Tène_Western_Europe_Average

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