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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber29 View Post
    not sure if you guys know just came across this page - a lebanese druze who is R2 on Yfull

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    just saw this post on lebanese since the subclade is next to mine by several thousands of years.
    It's very interesting how R2 got to here. I also saw a second sample on a study belonging to a Shiite from the Bekaa. One theory is it came with the Jatts who were resettled in Syria (the region) under various caliphs somewhere around 640-680. Many groups were resettled in this region at that time including Jews, Persians, Slavs, Arabs etc. including people from the east (India and Pakistan).
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    I was trying out some samples on Nevgen and some of them, belonging to J*(xJ2), turned out as J-CTS1460 (with very high probability). I can't seem to find any historical migration or source in which there was any influx of people from the Caucasus. Any ideas regarding the likely source and origins of this clade in the Levant, specifically Lebanon?

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    My uncle (maternal grandparents' only son) took a Big Y test a few weeks ago, so I'm just waiting to see where he ends up.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    My uncle (maternal grandparents' only son) took a Big Y test a few weeks ago, so I'm just waiting to see where he ends up.
    Batch 1088 ETA of 06/17/2020 - 07/01/2020

    I'm hoping it doesn't take that long. They batched his kit the first week of May.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    So there is a big chance that all my lebanese friends i met in Venezuela, are J2... Nice. Also curious that R1b peaks in the druzes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe12 View Post
    It's very interesting how R2 got to here. I also saw a second sample on a study belonging to a Shiite from the Bekaa. One theory is it came with the Jatts who were resettled in Syria (the region) under various caliphs somewhere around 640-680. Many groups were resettled in this region at that time including Jews, Persians, Slavs, Arabs etc. including people from the east (India and Pakistan).
    the ancient sample next to the lebanese druze is an Uzbek Sample found in BMAC - So I wondered but this is specific R2a which originated in the (Zagros mountain) it has somewhat - most south Asian R2a is related to BMAC esp 13203* Subclade - still got more to look into. tbh R2 is still a little less represented - had another lebanese dude dna match who was also R2-L266 so most likely would come under this same dude (probably) will surely soon find out over time

    would be interesting to see
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingofPhoenicia001 View Post
    5 E-L677
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    4 E-M183
    2 E-M5021
    2 E-M78
    2 E-V12
    1 E-M34
    1 E-M4254
    1 E-L791
    1 E-M44
    1 E-V32
    Wouldn't be surprised if all of the E-M183 men turned out to be Druze. Interesting how E-M183 is more common among Druze than among other Lebanese sects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe12 View Post
    Wouldn't be surprised if all of the E-M183 men turned out to be Druze. Interesting how E-M183 is more common among Druze than among other Lebanese sects.
    Why would you say Druze? I would think Sunni first tbh just because contact the frequent contact with North Africa. I looked into it and I actually know that one is from Irkay and one from Saida.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingofPhoenicia001 View Post
    Why would you say Druze? I would think Sunni first tbh just because contact the frequent contact with North Africa. I looked into it and I actually know that one is from Irkay and one from Saida.
    Well, from the top of my head, the Fatimids settled Ismailis from North Africa in Lebanon mostly from the Berber tribes that were recruited by them. I also noticed that the Shias under E-M81 tend to be E-A5604, which seems to be rather pre-Islamic. The Druze E-M81 men I seen were E-A2227. Though not sure if this helps my theory. It could be coincidental

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    Indeed. Fatimids were largely built by Kutama Berbers who were Shiah. Many Shiah were in North Africa untill the Zirids took over the power and literally wiped them out. Many Kutama became Sunni and got Arabized, many others kept speaking Berber and become part of the wider Kabyle populations.

    It will be interesting to see if those Druzes cluster with with Algerians/Kabyles on yfull. I know for sure A2227 is often called out as a Kutama subclade by some people as it peaks in Central-Eastern Algeria (Bejaia, Jijel , Skikda).
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