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    44 I1 but none are I1a2 or I1a3?...and zero I2? Seems like another study with bizarre hg assignments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Username View Post
    44 I1 but none are I1a2 or I1a3?...and zero I2? Seems like another study with bizarre hg assignments.
    it's from 2008, it doesn't say they were all I1, but it excluded one I1 subclade M72, maybe M21 is also a subclade of I1.

    the STR values also are not helpful, they give strange results (C, H, and G) and I-M26 which was excluded.

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    The proportion of Haplogroup J1 among Lebanese Muslims is higher than other religious groups in Lebanon

    in this study:

    link: static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1186%2F1471-2148-11-288/MediaObjects/12862_2011_1910_MOESM3_ESM.XLS
    Last edited by tompom; 10-11-2018 at 11:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronHorse View Post
    it's from 2008, it doesn't say they were all I1, but it excluded one I1 subclade M72, maybe M21 is also a subclade of I1.

    the STR values also are not helpful, they give strange results (C, H, and G) and I-M26 which was excluded.
    Isn't all of I descended of Crusaders, probably Germans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe12 View Post
    Isn't all of I descended of Crusaders, probably Germans?
    I in Lebanon is 5%, I in Germany is 22%, say its 25%, you need to to have one fifth of the German male lineage represented in Lebanon, unless you believe that all German crusaders were I

    then R1b should be 8-10%, all from European subclades, this is the frequency of R1b in Lebanon, but the majority is Z2013, the Asian kind.

    also, there is no admixture from a European source in modern Lebanese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronHorse View Post
    I in Lebanon is 5%, I in Germany is 22%, say its 25%, you need to to have one fifth of the German male lineage represented in Lebanon, unless you believe that all German crusaders were I

    then R1b should be 8-10%, all from European subclades, this is the frequency of R1b in Lebanon, but the majority is Z2013, the Asian kind.

    also, there is no admixture from a European source in modern Lebanese.
    I wonder where is the source then. I do not think that all Germans were under I, but I think I however, was much more in Germany.
    Also I have seen a R1b sample in Lebanon under U152, so maybe not all are crusader, but some are definitely.

    I recall families that are descended from crusades, most notably: Frangieh (Frankish), El-Frangi (The Frankish), Salibi (Crusader), Douaihy ([The one from] Douai) etc...
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    I'm assuming some of the I1 assignments are incorrect. I know some branches of G2 are predicted as I1 sometimes from STR. I tend to agree though. The Crusader input is non-negligible but it's probably not very significant either. Most male lineages die off, and those that survive are likely local ones to the region, or from later migrants. Europeans have had little input in the region since the Crusades, and even then it was marginal.
    YDNA: R1b-Z220 (A7066+) (1800's Stepney, London(Bethnal Green), UK George Wood b. 1782
    maternal-grandfather YDNA: prob. I1 Gurr, George 1843, Feversham, Kent, England.
    maternal-grandmother YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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