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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe12 View Post
    R1a is exclusively Z93 as you said. As for the I I have seen two samples in Lebanon, one was I-Z63 and the other was I-CTS11871.
    Very cool. Interesting clades for I. Wonder how that made it there. I imagine if it was absorbed by the slavs and brought with those mercenaries settled in Northern Syria. I am not aware of any Germanic settlement.
    Known Ancestry: Albanian
    23andme results: 94% Balkan, 0.9% Italian, 0.8% Middle Eastern, 2.2% broadly southern European, 0.3 British & Irish, 0.3% Japanese, 0.5% unassigned
    MyOrigins2.0: 100% Southeast European
    MyAncientOrigins: 62% Farmer, 24% Hunter Gatherer, 14% Metal Age Invader
    MyHeritage: 76% Greek, 16% Balkan, 8% Italian
    WeGene: 99.5% Balkan, 0.5% unassigned
    GenePlaza: 92.7% East Mediterranean, 5.2% Southwestern European, 1.5% Ambiguous
    DNA.LAND: 95% Balkan, 5% Sardinian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Very cool. Interesting clades for I. Wonder how that made it there. I imagine if it was absorbed by the slavs and brought with those mercenaries settled in Northern Syria. I am not aware of any Germanic settlement.
    I am mostly confused about the I-Z63 since it is I1 and the TMRCA of around 4600 YBP makes it unlikely to be Paleolithic or some sort of Roman settlement unlike I2 which is around 21800 years old. I1 might be crusader offspring perhaps?

    Note: I also noticed the I-Z63 person was of a very wide Christian family, it is used for people who are descended of a priest, and the family being so wide they are clearly unrelated, as evidenced by multiples results from this family. They inhabit a mountainous area quite close to my hometown and it is close to Tripoli (County of Tripoli) as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe12 View Post
    I am mostly confused about the I-Z63 since it is I1 and the TMRCA of around 4600 YBP makes it unlikely to be Paleolithic or some sort of Roman settlement unlike I2 which is around 21800 years old. I1 might be crusader offspring perhaps?

    Note: I also noticed the I-Z63 person was of a very wide Christian family, it is used for people who are descended of a priest, and the family being so wide they are clearly unrelated, as evidenced by multiples results from this family. They inhabit a mountainous area quite close to my hometown and it is close to Tripoli (County of Tripoli) as well.
    I forgot about the Crusades lol. Yes that would be a scenario where it could have arrived.
    Known Ancestry: Albanian
    23andme results: 94% Balkan, 0.9% Italian, 0.8% Middle Eastern, 2.2% broadly southern European, 0.3 British & Irish, 0.3% Japanese, 0.5% unassigned
    MyOrigins2.0: 100% Southeast European
    MyAncientOrigins: 62% Farmer, 24% Hunter Gatherer, 14% Metal Age Invader
    MyHeritage: 76% Greek, 16% Balkan, 8% Italian
    WeGene: 99.5% Balkan, 0.5% unassigned
    GenePlaza: 92.7% East Mediterranean, 5.2% Southwestern European, 1.5% Ambiguous
    DNA.LAND: 95% Balkan, 5% Sardinian

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingofPhoenicia001 View Post
    I just wanted to share my own little study on Lebanese Y-DNA which I collected from my 23andme DNA relatives. Out of 95 families, mostly Shia and Sunni but also some Christians and Druze among them.

    33 J2 (27 J2a, 6 J2b)... 34.7%
    17 E1b1... 18%
    16 J1... 17%
    9 R1b... 9.5%
    9 T... 9.5%
    2 Q2
    5 G (3 G2, G1)
    1 R1a
    1 L-M357
    1 N-L708
    1 I-M223
    Update: 144 Lebanese families

    42 J2 (35 J2a, 7 J2b)... 29%
    24 E1b1... 17%
    24 J1... 17%
    18 R1b... 13%
    15 G (12 G2, 3 G1) 10%
    11 T... 8%
    3 L-M20
    2 R1a
    1 R2a
    1 N-L708
    1 I-M223
    78.1% Lebanese (Lebanon) + 21.9% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 3.3

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingofPhoenicia001 View Post
    Update: 144 Lebanese families

    42 J2 (35 J2a, 7 J2b)... 29%
    24 E1b1... 17%
    24 J1... 17%
    18 R1b... 13%
    15 G (12 G2, 3 G1) 10%
    11 T... 8%
    3 L-M20
    2 R1a
    1 R2a
    1 N-L708
    1 I-M223
    E1b1 subclade breakdown?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hartaisarlag View Post
    E1b1 subclade breakdown?
    5 E-L677
    4 E-L29
    4 E-M183
    2 E-M5021
    2 E-M78
    2 E-V12
    1 E-M34
    1 E-M4254
    1 E-L791
    1 E-M44
    1 E-V32
    78.1% Lebanese (Lebanon) + 21.9% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 3.3

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingofPhoenicia001 View Post
    5 E-L677
    4 E-L29
    4 E-M183
    2 E-M5021
    2 E-M78
    2 E-V12
    1 E-M34
    1 E-M4254
    1 E-L791
    1 E-M44
    1 E-V32
    Could you PM me any details you're willing to share about the E-L791 individual?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingofPhoenicia001 View Post
    Update: 144 Lebanese families

    42 J2 (35 J2a, 7 J2b)... 29%
    24 E1b1... 17%
    24 J1... 17%
    18 R1b... 13%
    15 G (12 G2, 3 G1) 10%
    11 T... 8%
    3 L-M20
    2 R1a
    1 R2a
    1 N-L708
    1 I-M223
    J2 subclade breakdown?

    Apparently my subclade, J-L70 (under J2), is pretty common in Lebanon.

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    Looks like two Lebanese individuals of different backgrounds—one Druze from Hermon via the Chouf, and one Melkite from Hawran via Zahle—have been found on the same branch of E-Y2947: E-Y39151 (which they share with a Russian).

    The fact that this line appears in two different confessional groups, neither known to be particularly exogamous, makes me think it has deep roots in Lebanon/Syria. This suggests to me, along with the recent discovery of an Armenian cluster of Y2947, that the mostly European distribution of identified E-Y2947 samples to date is to a large degree artifactual. However, the Lebanese presence isn’t quite basal - so specific inferences about the branch’s origins are not yet possible.
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