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    Quote Originally Posted by alexfritz View Post
    this is how the paper summed up the data sofar
    supp p298: In a recent publication on the population history of the ancient city of Rome(436) it was observed that the population of Imperial Rome experienced an “eastward” (towards the Eastern Mediterranean) shift relative to that of the Iron Age and Republic periods, which was then followed with a “northward” (towards continental Europe) shift during Medieval and Early Modern periods after the fall of the city of Rome

    the etrurian paper concluded that the best match for that 'northward' shift are indeed the longobards Notably, among the best supported models are those that feature individuals associated with Longobard cemeteries from Hungary and northern Italy (31) that such a shift is observed (see:samples) post migration period in the early medieval further underscores it; szolad (see:supp) was even the best match and szolad is a great source as it encompasses everything the longobard migration brought to italy incl provincials and such provincials also show up in late antiquity rome ie R33 and the crypta balbians

    first i thought the discussion would be about new data but since it is not collegno and a preview PCA on lavazza have shown what the data for late antiquity north italy is like and going to be like; notably early medieval CL36 with more ema to come in the future paper(s); the preview PCA on pre longobard italy could even suggest that the source (proximate) of the near east shift were the romans themselves ie cline
    The profile of modern like Northern Italian genetics was already in place during the bronze age. They were less homogenous, but the averages were already there. This is corroborated by northern adriatic samples from IA croatia and slovenia which looked identical to a N. Italian profile and emerged from the commonly accepted balkan route of italic langauge migrations into italy. The Etruscans/latins forming a cline with such genetics is no coincidence either. What's more is we already see the same profiles in Roman military camps abroad during the early empire, and you see them in C. Italy more commonly to the tune of about 20% of the population by the late empire. Those who believe northern italian like genetics were birthed from some germanic or frankish mixing event during the middle ages/late empire are setting themselves up for massive disappointment. Modern Northern Italians have far too much neolithic anatolian ancestry to be a result of central or northern european influence.

    Dark squares are bronze age northern Italians. Diamonds are bronze age C. Italians.

    Last edited by Ahuwarhd; 09-25-2022 at 05:39 AM.

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