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    CTS7822/Z2110 and CTS9219 ISOGG Haplotree Listing Application

    Contact has been made and an application is in hand for listing SNPs CTS7822/Z2110 and CTS9219 to the ISOGG R-tree. We are lucky that smal has agreed to handle the actual application with an able assist from byrgian. Thanks guys!

    They still need help finding CTS7822/Z2110 and CTS9219 test results, those haplotypes may be hiding in FTDNA surname or geographic projects. Please post any missed here. CTS7822/Z2110 and CTS9219 negative from Sanger sequencing (single SNP test) are very important too.

    Just as important if not more so, do you know of any pending SNP tests for CTS7822/Z2110 and CTS9219? Any STR upgrades for CTS7822/Z2110 and CTS9219 haplotypes? Geolocke is a good example of someone waiting for CTS7822 results and keeping everyone informed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Geolocke View Post
    Still waiting on my CTS7822 results. I ordered from FTDNA on April 29. FTDNA has changed the way they report pending results. On the Kit page, Pending Results tells me 2 - 6 weeks (instead of a date), but on the PM page (GAP) I still see the date of June 19. I guess it's better not to report predicted results dates if there's a chance of having to change that date. In the mean time, I'm dreaming of SNPs test and ways to get new kits to join my projects. Patience may be a virtue, but I sure wish I could have the results *now*!
    Getting CTS7822/Z2110 and CTS9219 peer reviewed and ISOGG listed is very important in light of what happened to the FTDNA tree. It's essential to encouraging people to test and research for this subclade.


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    108347 			R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project	England  CTS7822+, F672, Geno2.0, L150-, L23+, Z2103+, Z2105+, L277-, L584-
    247019 			Ware Surname Project	North Carolina  CTS7822+, Geno2.0
    257843 			Jewish DNA Project ungrouped	Unknown  CTS7822+, CTS9219+, Z2103+, Z2105+, Geno2.0
    272057 			Ireland Project	Ireland?  CTS7822+, Geno2.0
    278024			Polish Project	Poland  CTS7822+, CTS9219+, Geno2.0 
    289628 	  		R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project	  CTS7822+, CTS9219+, Geno 2.0
    300134 			JewishGen Scandinavia SIG DNA Project 	Finland  CTS7822+, CTS9219+, Geno2.0 
    314859 			Bulgarian Project	Bulgaria  CTS7822+, CTS9219+, Geno 2.0
    H1614 			Italy Project	Italy  CTS7822+, Chomo 2
    H1621 			Italy Project	Italy  CTS7822+, Predicted
    N112116 		Bulgarian Project	Bulgaria  CTS7822+, Z2103+, Z2105+, L277-, L584-, Big Y
    N112516 		Italy DNA Project	Italy  CTS7822+, Geno2.0 strs?
    N112689 		Russia DNA Project	Russian Federation  CTS7822+, CTS9219+, Geno2.0 
    N114393			White Surname Project	Unknown  CTS7822+, CTS9219+, Geno2.0 strs?
    N115142 		German DNA Project	Germany  CTS7822+, CTS9219+, Geno2.0 
    N115176/N98739 		Greek DNA Project  Greece  CTS7822+, Geno2.0, L150+, L23+, L584-
    N115870 		French Heritage Project  CTS7822+, CTS9219+, Geno2.0 strs?
    N116170 		Arcadia Project	Greece  CTS7822+, CTS9219+, Geno2.0 strs?
    N118997 		Poland Project Poland	CTS7822+, CTS9219+, Geno2.0 strs?
    N24004 			R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project	USA W. Virginia	CTS7822+, CTS9219+, Geno2.0 
    N29277 			Italy DNA Project	Italy	CTS7822+, Geno2.0
    						
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    107114 			Bennett DNA Project	USA Mass  CTS7822+
    176123 			Bashqort Clans Project	Poland  CTS7822+, Z2103+, Z2105+, L277-, L584-
    248252 			Bulgaria Project	Macedonia 	CTS7822+, Z2103+
    261086 			Poland Project	    Polish?  CTS7822+, Z2103+
    287943 						           CTS7822+
    N66406 			Iberian Project	     Spain	CTS7822+, Z2103+, Z2105+, L277-, L584-
    						
    						
    248268			Bulgarian Project	   Greece	CTS7822-
    248301 			Bulgarian Project	   Macedonia  CTS7822-
    257842                      R1b-M269 (P312- U106-) Project CTS7822-
    
    Last edited by Joe B; 05-30-2014 at 05:39 PM.
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    261086 zamówiono CT9219

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mis View Post
    261086 zamówiono CTS9219
    Welcome to Anthrogenica and thanks for your testing. 262086 is an important haplotype for listing CTS7822/Z2110 and CTS9219. M269+, Z2103+, CTS7822+, P53-, CTS9219 in the lab and 111 STRs, that's just excellent.
    Please join the R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project if you haven't already.
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ion=ycolorized
    Last edited by Joe B; 05-30-2014 at 05:37 PM.
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    If I have understood the listing criteria correctly, for adding CTS7822 on the ISOGG tree, we need:

    • 2 men who are Z2103+, Z2105+ and CTS7822+, confirmed by Sanger sequencing.
    • 1 man who is Z2103+, Z2105+ and CTS7822-, confirmed by Sanger sequencing. Or somebody who is L584+, CTS7822- or L277+, CTS7822-.
    • The genetic distance between the two CTS7822+ men should be at least 5 in fewer than 75 STR markers or at least 7% in more STR markers.


    FTDNA kits 176123 and N66406 have tested Z2103+, Z2105+, CTS7822+ and have genetic distance of [email protected] STRs while YSEQ kit 85 is Z2103+, Z2105+, CTS7822-. That alone should suffice for adding CTS7822/Z2110 on the tree but all other data should be included in the application form in order to add more weight.

    Similarly, for CTS9219 we need two CTS7822+, CTS9219+ men and one CTS7822+, CTS9219- where the first two should have GD of at least 5 in 74 or less STRs.

    YSEQ kit 285 has CTS7822+ and CTS9219+. We are waiting for FTDNA 176123's CTS9219 results or alternatively we can involve somebody who has taken Geno 2.0 or Chromo2 and is CTS9219+. The grater problem is to find somebody who is CTS7822+, CTS9219- tested with the Sanger sequencing method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brygian View Post
    • 1 man who is Z2103+, Z2105+ and CTS7822-, confirmed by Sanger sequencing. Or somebody who is L584+, CTS7822- or L277+, CTS7822-.
    Actually it is obligatory to find people who are:

    • L584+, CTS7822-
    • L277+, CTS7822-


    This is needed since we need to prove that CTS7822 is not downstream of any of these. But since 176123 and N66406 are L584- and L277-, it is clear that CTS7822 is not on the same branch.
    Last edited by brygian; 05-30-2014 at 08:50 PM.

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    We have few L584+ CTS7822- and L277+ CTS7822- NGS tested samples.
    But L150.2!+, CTS7822- samples are not available because the R-L150.2! subclade does not exist in a reality. We can find few L150.2!+ samples under CTS7822+ but they do not form subclade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smal View Post
    We have few L584+ CTS7822- and L277+ CTS7822- NGS tested samples.
    But L150.2!+, CTS7822- samples are not available because the R-L150.2! subclade does not exist in a reality. We can find few L150.2!+ samples under CTS7822+ but they do not form subclade.
    Is there enough evidence to delist L150.2! from the R-tree. 108347 results are very compelling evidence with both Geno 2.0 and Sanger sequenceing. CTS7822+, Geno2.0, L150-, L23+, Z2103+, Z2105+, L277-, L584-

    http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpRPrivNotes.html
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    Searching for "CTS7822" at https://genographic.nationalgeograph...ory/allstories shows that there are 32 CTS7822+ and below people with stories on the Geno website. There might be additional CTS7822+ and below people without stories. Obviously, not all of them have transferred results to FTDNA. Unfortunately I can't come in contact with them.

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    Spotted a few new CTS7822/Z2110+ results. In the German and R1b1b2 (P312- U106-) DNA projects with 111 STRs and a lot of good Sanger sequencing is #145692. Another interesting one is in the Probasco/Bartoszewski/Bartos DNA Study Project. The SNPs are not visible for #11746, but the haplogroup label is R-CTS9219 in green. Note the STR diversity for DYS19 for this surname project.
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    I Just receive my CTS7822 results today (Positive). That makes 8 of us in our little subclade of the R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) aka ht35 Project who have tested positive for CTS7822. Seymour, Coat, Bennett and I are coordinating our testing efforts so that each one of us tests for our particular surname. Seymour has tested negative for CTS9219 (and all SNPs under CTS9219,) and CTS699. He is now concentrating on testing the remaining SNPs under CTS7822 to verify that his terminal SNP is CTS7822. Will post more news as it becomes available.
    M173+, M269+, M343+, M207+, P25+, M269+, Z2103+, P107-, U106-, U152-, U198-, P312-, P66-, SRY2627-, M222-, M37-, M65-, M73-, M18-, M126-, M153-, M160-, Z2110/CTS7822+, CTS9219-

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