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    Big Y: How old is your final haplogroup?

    Please answer only if you have done a big Y or an equivalent test.

    You can ignore your close filiation (father, uncle, grandfather, etc.).

    Yfull allows to have an estimate of the ages on their tree: https://www.yfull.com/tree/
    Y haplogroup: R1b: L21 --> DF13 --> BY145002
    The oldest L21 known are I2457 et I2565 from Stonehenge (Beaker Culture, 2400-1900 BC)

    MTDNA: U4c1
    The oldest U4c1 known are "poz224", Yamnaya culture (2882-2698 BC), and 2 Bell-Beaker in Germany (Karsdorf, 2314-2042 BC)

    Paternal MTDNA: K1b2b
    The oldest K1b2 are Eastern European Mesolithic: Kunda Donkalnis5 (Lithuania), 6000 BC and Meso-Ene Lepenski Vir Lepe28 in Serbia, 5900 BC.
    The oldest K1b2b is Alt-3, Corded-Ware Germany (2500 BC)

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    Formed or TMRCA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by karwiso View Post
    Formed or TMRCA?
    TMRCA
     
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    Ydna:TMRCA=1828 years

    mtdna:TMRCA=1000 years
    Last edited by mokordo; 06-30-2022 at 12:45 PM.

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    YFull has our TMRCA as 225 years before present so about 1725 or some time around the 1700s. My earliest known ancestor was born about 1830 so the shared ancestor with two matches sharing my father's terminal SNP is probably a grandfather, great grandfather or further back of that ancestor.
    Ancestry: Ireland (Paper trail ≅ 81.25% Roscommon, 12.5% Galway, 6.25% Mayo)
    Y-DNA (P) ancestor (Y): Kelly b. c1830 in Co. Roscommon (Uí Maine)
    mtDNA (P) ancestor: Fleming b. c1831 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA (M) ancestor: McDermott b. c1814 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA Great grandfather: Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)
    Y-DNA 2x great grandfather: Higgins b. c1816 in Co. Roscommon (R-DF109)
    Y-DNA 3x great grandfather: Fleming b. c1829 in Co. Roscommon (R-Z23534)

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    For FTDNA's take on this idea, peek at this. Tables 2 and 3
    https://blog.familytreedna.com/y-dna...0000-branches/

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    I am fortunate. My 5th cousin and I share a SNP/haplotype that my 6th does not. So quite recent in Y terms.

    Unfortunately, a BigY for a 4th failed (We did get the Y111).

    I have no idea where to find a 7th etc. My next closest BigY match is probably in the 1000 to 1500 year range. (27 Non-Matching Variants)
    Last edited by MAbrams; 06-30-2022 at 12:59 PM.

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    My terminal does not have a TMRCA yet, I'm on a paraclade that has not been estimated at this time (FT2484*): https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FT2484/

    FT2484 is 1400 ybp, hopefully with more testers I'll gain more knowledge about my branch over time.
    Known Ancestry: NW Russian 25%, Central French 25%, North German 25%, Scandinavian 12.5%, mixed Polish/German (Pomerania) 12.5%

    AncestryDNA (August 2022): Eastern Europe & Russia 28%, Germanic Europe 23%, Sweden & Denmark 19%, France 14%, Baltics 14%, Finland 2%, Malta 1%
    23andMe (July 2022): French and German 42.6%, Eastern European 38.1%, Scandinavian 9.2%, Finnish 1.6%, B&I 0.5%, North African 0.2%, Broadly 0.2%

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    My branch is currently dated to circa 1700 AD but I’m hoping that’s going to change in the near future. We’ll see …
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% English, Scottish & Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): Britain & Ireland: 89.3% (51.5% English, 37.8% Scottish & Irish), N.W. Germanic: 7.8%, Europe South: 2.9% (Southern Italy & Sicily)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 540 AD) >A13252 (circa 800 AD) >FT81015 (circa 1120 AD) >A13243 (circa 1620 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1700 AD).

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    R-FGC12390 branch: TMRCA 1838 AD, Dublin Ireland

    PS: It was very satisfying to be able post that. From Jun 2016 to Nov 2021 I was stuck at ~1286 AD.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 06-30-2022 at 03:16 PM.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    35% English, 15% Scottish, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 11% Ulster Scot, 5% Ireland, 3% Scandinavian, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    R-YP619

    Y-Full shows a formation date of 2100 years before present, and a TMRCA of 1700. There are just three of us shown on the tree as R-YP619*, and we all have different locations for our most distant known Y-line ancestor. Mine was from Germany; the other two are from Sweden and Russia.

    Until a few years ago, R-YP619 and R-YP444 were thought to be at the same level. But then I took the Y-500 test (and later upgraded it to Y-700). I turned out to be positive for YP619 but negative for YP444, and now YP444 is placed under YP619.
    Besides British-German-Catalan, ancestry includes smaller amounts of French, Irish, Swiss, Choctaw & another NA tribe, possibly Catawba. Avatar picture is: my father, his father, & his father's father; baby is my eldest brother.

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