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    FTDNA ancient DNA documented

    FTDNA now provides reference information for the ancient DNA samples they've analyzed for the haplotree. There are also TMRCAs.
    https://discover.familytreedna.com/

    https://dna-explained.com/2022/06/30...plogroup-ages/

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    For V13, the age estimation looks very young. What about other groups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafc View Post
    For V13, the age estimation looks very young. What about other groups?
    For my own Haplogroup, which is pretty recent (see below), it looks just about right. On the other hand, as I go back further in time, they all tend to look too young. When compared to YFull’s estimates or regular SNP counting techniques. I’m not sure why that is. Hopefully, they’ll release a White Paper explaining their procedure.
    Last edited by JMcB; 06-30-2022 at 06:15 PM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% English, Scottish & Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): Britain & Ireland: 89.3% (51.5% English, 37.8% Scottish & Irish), N.W. Germanic: 7.8%, Europe South: 2.9% (Southern Italy & Sicily)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 540 AD) >A13252 (circa 800 AD) >FT81015 (circa 1120 AD) >A13243 (circa 1620 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1700 AD).

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    The celebrity/noteable is a joke (it's a P312 connection) but the ancients are almost interesting, even though they missed a bunch of known DF19 ancients (RMPR31, I17607, I26830 etc, and VK333 is practically a Big Y Match):

    Driffield 23
    You (R-Z43162) and Driffield 23 (R-FT214931) share a common direct paternal line ancestor (R-Z17112) who lived around 600 BCE (2,600 years ago).

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    His direct maternal line belonged to mtDNA haplogroup H6a1b2.

    De Tuithoorn 5748 (Reich still has him as P312, only Alex figured out he was P312>DF19>Z302)
    You (R-Z43162) and De Tuithoorn 5748 (R-Z302) share a common direct paternal line ancestor (R-DF19) who lived around 2000 BCE (4,000 years ago).

    De Tuithoorn 5748 was a man who lived between 2579 and 2211 BCE during the Bronze Age Europe and was found in the region now known as Oostwoud, Netherlands.

    He was associated with the Beaker cultural group.

    His direct maternal line belonged to mtDNA haplogroup X2b4*.

    {I wonder if the next ones are a loose P312+ connection or damaged samples that just don't have enough to be sure what's below P312}
    De Tuithoorn 5750
    You (R-Z43162) and De Tuithoorn 5750 (R-P312) share a common direct paternal line ancestor (R-P312) who lived around 2300 BCE (4,300 years ago).

    De Tuithoorn 5750 was a man who lived between 2600 and 1600 BCE during the Bronze Age Europe and was found in the region now known as Oostwoud, Netherlands.

    He was associated with the Beaker cultural group.

    His direct maternal line belonged to mtDNA haplogroup K1b1a1-T199C.

    De Tuithoorn 4073
    You (R-Z43162) and De Tuithoorn 4073 (R-P312) share a common direct paternal line ancestor (R-P312) who lived around 2300 BCE (4,300 years ago).

    De Tuithoorn 4073 was a man who lived between 2196 and 1903 BCE during the Bronze Age Europe and was found in the region now known as Oostwoud, Netherlands.

    He was associated with the Beaker cultural group.

    His direct maternal line belonged to mtDNA haplogroup U5a2b3*.

    De Tuithoorn 4074
    You (R-Z43162) and De Tuithoorn 4074 (R-P312) share a common direct paternal line ancestor (R-P312) who lived around 2300 BCE (4,300 years ago).

    De Tuithoorn 4074 was a man who lived between 2167 and 1917 BCE during the Bronze Age Europe and was found in the region now known as Oostwoud, Netherlands.

    He was associated with the Beaker cultural group.

    His direct maternal line belonged to mtDNA haplogroup H.

    De Tuithoorn 4069
    You (R-Z43162) and De Tuithoorn 4069 (R-P312) share a common direct paternal line ancestor (R-P312) who lived around 2300 BCE (4,300 years ago).

    De Tuithoorn 4069 was a man who lived between 2192 and 1887 BCE during the Bronze Age Europe and was found in the region now known as Oostwoud, Netherlands.

    He was associated with the Beaker cultural group.

    His direct maternal line belonged to mtDNA haplogroup U5a1a1.

    4068
    You (R-Z43162) and 4068 (R-P312) share a common direct paternal line ancestor (R-P312) who lived around 2300 BCE (4,300 years ago).

    4068 was a man who lived between 2132 and 1952 BCE during the Bronze Age Europe and was found in the region now known as Oostwoud, Netherlands.

    He was associated with the Beaker cultural group.

    His direct maternal line belonged to mtDNA haplogroup U5a2a1.
    From the notes at Reich (from Olalde?):
    Tuithoorn Family A (3 members) (I4068, I4073, and I4074 are all 2nd or 3rd degree relatives of each other)
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    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>FT354149

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafc View Post
    For V13, the age estimation looks very young. What about other groups?
    For J-L283, FTDNA's estimates seem to be somewhat older than YFull, though this appears to be the case with older subclades:

    J-L283: 6200 ybp
    J-Z600: 5700 ybp
    J-Z615: 5400 ybp
    J-Z597: 4500 ybp

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafc View Post
    For V13, the age estimation looks very young. What about other groups?
    For G-L91 it's also 2000 years younger than Yfull's estimation. Yfull is more stringent on which SNPs they use for age estimation and branching, that might be the reason. For J-L70 it's a bit older than Yfull's estimate though (2000 BC vs 1700 BC)
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    Yfull says Z43162 TMRCA is 1550 ybp and FTDNA says “Haplogroup R-Z43162 represents a man who is estimated to have been born around 1,300 years ago, plus or minus 450 years”

    The major node above that:
    R-Z43162's paternal lineage branched off from R-FT88174 and the rest of mankind about 2,500 years ago, plus or minus 500 years[FTDNA]
    It’s too new for yfull: they have it in “live” but not with the age estimates.
    The next one above that that yfull see is Z17112 with TMRCA 3100 ybp
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    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>FT354149

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Like others mentioned, FTDNA's dating appears to be closer to the present than Yfull's. I find Yfull's date to be more plausible, at least for my branch.

    EDIT: I do like the "Ancient Connections" feature. Streamlines research, as this is something I used to do manually a lot.

    So overall a welcome addition to the tool kit!
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