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Thread: Relatively High Steppe/Yamnaya DNA in North/East Tunisians and North Moroccans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibulk View Post
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    What could be a possible explanation? It's a regional tendency within Maghreb. These % are higher than other MENA peoples, except Kurds and Azeris (who seem to have similar amounts of Steppe ancestry)
    May be this is due to the genetical influence of the Alano-Vandalic kingdom which existed in V-VI centuries in North Africa?

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    I score about 10 percent steppe. I think you are over exaggerating 10 percent is a normal amount to score and I would expect coastal Berbers to score 15-20 percent though some of these samples will have European ancestry

    Target: me
    Distance: 1.3888% / 0.01388800
    22.0 Levant_PPNB
    19.6 Iberomaurusian
    19.6 Levant_PPNC
    13.8 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP
    9.6 Early_European_Farmer
    9.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
    4.6 Iran_Neolithic
    1.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Also Lebanese samples score a similar amount. These are the averages I’m sure there is individual Lebanese samples who score more then the percentages shown below

    Target: Lebanese_Muslim
    Distance: 1.2914% / 0.01291366
    22.8 Levant_PPNB
    21.8 Iran_Neolithic
    21.0 Levant_PPNC
    15.8 Early_European_Farmer
    11.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
    6.4 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    0.8 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP

    Target: Lebanese_Druze
    Distance: 1.4099% / 0.01409861
    24.2 Levant_PPNC
    23.6 Iran_Neolithic
    21.0 Early_European_Farmer
    14.2 Levant_PPNB
    10.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
    6.6 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer

    Target: Lebanese_Christian
    Distance: 1.5844% / 0.01584397
    23.6 Levant_PPNC
    22.6 Iran_Neolithic
    21.2 Levant_PPNB
    18.8 Early_European_Farmer
    8.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
    5.6 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    Last edited by Gentica277282; 08-01-2022 at 11:35 AM.
    Qpadm results

    55.5% Guanche
    32.9% Lebanon_MBA
    11.6% Kindoki.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    I score about 10 percent steppe. I think you are over exaggerating 10 percent is a normal amount to score and I would expect coastal Berbers to score 15-20 percent though some of these samples will have European ancestry

    Target: me
    Distance: 1.3888% / 0.01388800
    22.0 Levant_PPNB
    19.6 Iberomaurusian
    19.6 Levant_PPNC
    13.8 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP
    9.6 Early_European_Farmer
    9.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
    4.6 Iran_Neolithic
    1.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Also Lebanese samples score a similar amount. These are the averages I’m sure there is individual Lebanese samples who score more then the percentages shown below

    Target: Lebanese_Muslim
    Distance: 1.2914% / 0.01291366
    22.8 Levant_PPNB
    21.8 Iran_Neolithic
    21.0 Levant_PPNC
    15.8 Early_European_Farmer
    11.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
    6.4 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    0.8 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP

    Target: Lebanese_Druze
    Distance: 1.4099% / 0.01409861
    24.2 Levant_PPNC
    23.6 Iran_Neolithic
    21.0 Early_European_Farmer
    14.2 Levant_PPNB
    10.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
    6.6 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer

    Target: Lebanese_Christian
    Distance: 1.5844% / 0.01584397
    23.6 Levant_PPNC
    22.6 Iran_Neolithic
    21.2 Levant_PPNB
    18.8 Early_European_Farmer
    8.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
    5.6 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    You are right brother, 10-15% range of steppic result is not something out of the norm for coastal north africans
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    23.2 Guanche – gun011 + 76.8 Continental Celt (La Tene culture) – I17143
    22.4 Guanche – gun002 + 77.6 Continental Celt (La Tene culture) – I17143
    25.9 Guanche – gun008 + 74.1 Continental Celt (La Tene culture) – I17143

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    Can someone put the G25 coordinates of the source samples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    The Fassi individual and the Morisco probably have Jewish and Iberian ancestry that’s why
    I am not sure about Jewish ancestry to bring such a level of Stepe in North Africa. But clearly the North of Morocco and Tunisia have received a high flow of Andalussian refugees in the 16th and 17th century.

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    Hello, Azul, Salam
    Can you share the coordinates, I would like to test them in one of my calculator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fried View Post
    May be this is due to the genetical influence of the Alano-Vandalic kingdom which existed in V-VI centuries in North Africa?
    that's possible. But Spain and Portugal are geographically very close to the northern coasts of north africa, I'd be surprised if ancient southern iberians didn't intermix quite a bit going far back enough. I don't think we have "real" ancient tartesso, or conii samples, or at least proven to be... to see if any north african admixture existed by a certain time period, but surely there will be some samples that pop up to show it in future studies. The reason north african admixture is lower now in Andalusia and Algarve is because of recent repopulation from northerners into the south. Another thing, people also forget that Portugal and Moroccan conflict existed between around 1415-1769 (354 years), maybe some admix exists do to that colonial era on their land as well. Just like how the moors on iberian land caused more admixed folk as well, ie. moriscos etc., just that those people got largely outsourced by northerners, while northern moroccans stayed similar
    Last edited by Luso; 08-05-2022 at 01:52 PM.
    [1] "distance%=1.5901"

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    His dad: São Bartolomeu de Messines, Silves, Portugal
    His mom: Alcantarilha, Silves, Portugal

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    Her mother: Monchique, Silves, Portugal
    Her father: Lagoa, Ferragudo, Portugal

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    The romans and their south european legionaries

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    but Sardinians have very little admixture of Steppes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itrane2000 View Post
    I am not sure about Jewish ancestry to bring such a level of Stepe in North Africa. But clearly the North of Morocco and Tunisia have received a high flow of Andalussian refugees in the 16th and 17th century.
    In the case of the Fassi individual, i think the result is much more a mix like from Arabs/Sephardics Jews and Andalusî, Morisco, concerning their Steppe, because Andalusi people from al Andalus had more steppe than their current descendants. And Andalusi-Morisco North Africans tend to have higher southern European (basque and sardinian like) than other North Africans. The Noble families from Fez are mainly from Arab, Andalusi and Sephardic background origin
    Last edited by Aben Aboo; 08-05-2022 at 05:03 PM.
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    22.4 Guanche – gun002 + 77.6 Continental Celt (La Tene culture) – I17143
    25.9 Guanche – gun008 + 74.1 Continental Celt (La Tene culture) – I17143

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