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Thread: L20+ and CTS9733 / S3856 + What ancestral origin?

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    Complimenti!
    It 's really interesting!
    How are you connected with Bolgeri?
    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ 7664023 et al., Pandolfo Guidi, b. ~1515, Ostra Vetere, Marches, Italy
    Maternal: U5b1b*, Delicata Frascone, b. ~1740, Sora, southern Lazio, Italy

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    Hi, Grazie Alessio! At this point, I think so!

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    Hi, Grazie Alessio! At this point, I think so! But I don't know when!

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    However, in the "Project U152" I see Bolgeri as CTS9733-
    You have to send an email to Steve Gilbert and Richard Rocca communicating your new results ..
    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ 7664023 et al., Pandolfo Guidi, b. ~1515, Ostra Vetere, Marches, Italy
    Maternal: U5b1b*, Delicata Frascone, b. ~1740, Sora, southern Lazio, Italy

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    Sorry! Maybe I did wrong, I noticed CTS9733 T+ what does this mean? Perhaps this was to be C+.
    I ask you. Is there anyone who knows ? Thanks

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    Here are my results:
    S3856 ChrY 19045124 19045124 T+
    YSC0000798 ChrY 16440331 16440331 A-
    Z1910 ChrY 16440395 16440395 A-

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    The values for CTS9733 are reversed...everyone is "T" or positive (e.g. including me). What is different in some L20 samples is that there is a subclade that is "C" or negative.

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    I thought I had found a "cousin" CTS9733,,, and yet nothing .. patience!

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    My CTS9733 allele is C definitively..

    Search in BAM file
    ChrY position: 19045124 (+strand)
    Reads: 67
    Position data: 2A 65C
    Weight for A: 0.026622296173
    Weight for C: 0.973377703827
    Probability of error: 0.0376496123094 (0<->1)
    Consensus allele: C
    Reference allele: C
    Known SNPs at this position: CTS9733 • S3856

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    I discovered by chance, comparing with mcgee, that those closest to us Bolgeri are the surname Suire . (and Laurans.. and Richebourg.. all L20+) .
    What do you think?

    The Bolgeri are 11 or 12 GD / 111 STR..
    We are 19 GD / 111 STR with L20+ Mr. Suire..
    Interesting.

    MAy be us Bolgeri and all these families.. Laurans, Richebourg and Suire ..
    We are distant relatives or arising from the same family gens .. people.. .. (Tribe Germanic or Lombard or Celtic or Rhaetian ??)

    modal GD distance 111 9 13 13 10 8 9 10 27 24 20 19
    154083 Bolgeri 1900 Italy R-L20 9 111 12 11 19 12 12 12 30 32 24 23
    N9198 Pietro Pio Bolgeri, 1670, Civenna, Lombardy, ITALY Italy R-L20 13 12 111 11 19 13 14 14 32 33 28 27
    183488 Mario James Belgeri Italy R-L20 13 11 11 111 22 15 14 13 30 31 28 27
    315066 Cyr Rene Cyr R-L20 10 19 19 22 111 3 11 11 31 27 25 24
    147820 Cyr Andre Suire R-L20 8 12 13 15 3 67 12 14 21 17 15 15
    N31442 Antoine Laurans, 1560 France R-L20 9 12 14 14 11 12 67 19 23 21 18 18
    116207 Claude Philippe de Richebourg, b.c. 1670, France France R-L20 10 12 14 13 11 14 19 67 19 17 16 16

    others CTS9733 pos.
    212243 Niels Eriksson, 1575: Furved, Gesäter, Sweden Sweden R-L20 27 30 32 30 31 21 23 19 111 31 31 31
    217453 Thomas Pears 1779 - 1837 England R-L144 24 32 33 31 27 17 21 17 31 111 33 34
    211236 Jesse Boling, b. 1758 and d.1841 Scotland R-L20 20 24 28 28 25 15 18 16 31 33 111 1
    N114697 Benjamin Bolling b. 1734 United States R-L20 19 23 27 27 24 15 18 16 31 34 1 111


    modal 111 480 690 690 540 630 720 780 1440 1260 1050 990
    154083 Bolgeri 1900 Italy R-L20 480 111 630 600 990 930 930 930 1590 1710 1260 1200
    N9198 Pietro Pio Bolgeri, 1670, Civenna, Lombardy, ITALY Italy R-L20 690 630 111 600 990 990 1080 1080 1710 1770 1500 1440
    183488 Mario James Belgeri Italy R-L20 690 600 600 111 1140 1140 1080 990 1590 1650 1500 1440
    315066 Cyr Rene Cyr R-L20 540 990 990 1140 111 300 840 840 1650 1440 1320 1260
    147820 Cyr Andre Suire R-L20 630 930 990 1140 300 67 930 1080 1650 1320 1140 1140
    N31442 Antoine Laurans, 1560 France R-L20 720 930 1080 1080 840 930 67 1470 1830 1650 1410 1410
    116207 Claude Philippe de Richebourg, b.c. 1670, France France R-L20 780 930 1080 990 840 1080 1470 67 1470 1320 1230 1230

    other CTS9733 pos..
    212243 Niels Eriksson, 1575: Furved, Gesäter, Sweden Sweden R-L20 1440 1590 1710 1590 1650 1650 1830 1470 111 1650 1650 1650
    217453 Thomas Pears 1779 - 1837 England R-L144 1260 1710 1770 1650 1440 1320 1650 1320 1650 111 1770 1830
    211236 Jesse Boling, b. 1758 and d.1841 Scotland R-L20 1050 1260 1500 1500 1320 1140 1410 1230 1650 1770 111 120
    N114697 Benjamin Bolling b. 1734 United States R-L20 990 1200 1440 1440 1260 1140 1410 1230 1650 1830 120 111

    0-270 Years 300-570 Years 600-870 Years 900-1170 Years
    - Infinite allele mutation model is used
    - Average mutation rate varies: 0.0034 to 0.0041, from FTDNA derived rates
    - Values on the diagonal indicate number of markers tested
    - Probability is 75% that the TMRCA is no longer than indicated
    - Average generaton: 30 years
    Last edited by Bolgeris; 08-30-2014 at 09:40 PM.

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