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    Slovincians (Leba Kashubs) - Protestant Slavs native to former Provinz Pommern

    In this thread I will post autosomal results of Slovincians (a.k.a. Leba Kashubs) from the village of Kluki:

    https://muzeumkluki.pl/en/

    In total there will be a sample size of at least n=3, but today the first person's results became available.

    Slovincians are a sub-ethnic group, considered a subgroup of Kashubs, native to the Slovincian coast:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashub...cal_population

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovincian_Coast

    About the Slavs of former Provinz Pommern: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provin...)#Demographics

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    Map of the Slovincian coast region compared to the pre-war Polish-German border (highlighted red color):



    Pre-war & modern Poland's border and the Slovincian coast region located in pre-1945 German Pommern:



    Slovincian coast with the locations of Leba (Lebsko) Lake, Gardno Lake and the village of Kluki (Klucken):

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    Pollex is a common Pomeranian Slavic surname and used to be one of the most common surnames in Kluki.

    On website NVK genealogy we can see the distribution of this surname according to the 1890 census data:

    https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Pollex

    Family Finder "My Origins" of the first Slovincian sample (I censored the given name for privacy reasons):

    Europe 100%
    West Slavic 88%
    Central Europe 7%
    Scandinavia 6%



    Ancient European Origins results of this Slovincian are:

    12% Metal Age Invader
    35% Farmer
    53% Hunter-Gatherer
    0% non-European
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    GEDmatch calculator results:

    Kit Number: XM1216887
    Name: *Kluki Slovincian A

    Eurogenes K36 Similitude map indicates the highest similarity to northern Poland's populations, which makes sense:

    https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm



    Eurogenes K36:

    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 2.13 Pct
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 7.1 Pct
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 2.4 Pct
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 26.58 Pct
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 14 Pct
    Fennoscandian 11.2 Pct
    French 3.53 Pct
    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 10.81 Pct
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 15.53 Pct
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 6.72 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med -

    Eurogenes K13:

    Population
    North_Atlantic 35.41 Pct
    Baltic 44.76 Pct
    West_Med 10.62 Pct
    West_Asian 4.31 Pct
    East_Med 3.59 Pct
    Red_Sea 0.5 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian 0.22 Pct
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.13 Pct
    Oceanian 0.34 Pct
    Northeast_African 0.13 Pct
    Sub-Saharan -

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Polish 4.72
    2 South_Polish 5.81
    3 Southwest_Finnish 7.41
    4 Ukrainian 7.52
    5 Belorussian 7.53
    6 Russian_Smolensk 7.65
    7 Estonian_Polish 8.05
    8 Estonian 8.28
    9 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.39
    10 Southwest_Russian 9.66
    11 Finnish 9.75
    12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.06
    13 Lithuanian 10.65
    14 North_Swedish 12.01
    15 East_German 12.25
    16 Croatian 12.61
    17 East_Finnish 12.62
    18 Kargopol_Russian 12.67
    19 Hungarian 13.64
    20 Austrian 14.58

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 69% Lithuanian + 31% Southeast_English @ 2.13
    2 70.6% Lithuanian + 29.4% Southwest_English @ 2.31
    3 68.1% Lithuanian + 31.9% South_Dutch @ 2.35
    4 77.9% Belorussian + 22.1% Southwest_English @ 2.64
    5 67.7% Lithuanian + 32.3% West_German @ 2.65
    6 77% Belorussian + 23% Irish @ 2.72
    7 72.2% Estonian_Polish + 27.8% Norwegian @ 2.74
    8 75.3% Polish + 24.7% North_Swedish @ 2.75
    9 68.8% Lithuanian + 31.2% Orcadian @ 2.77
    10 77.7% Belorussian + 22.3% West_Scottish @ 2.79
    11 66.8% Lithuanian + 33.2% North_Dutch @ 2.79
    12 76.4% Belorussian + 23.6% Orcadian @ 2.81
    13 73.8% Belorussian + 26.2% Norwegian @ 2.83
    14 68.8% Estonian_Polish + 31.2% Swedish @ 2.83
    15 81.5% Polish + 18.5% Swedish @ 2.83
    16 84% Polish + 16% Norwegian @ 2.86
    17 74.8% Belorussian + 25.2% North_Dutch @ 2.86
    18 64.3% Lithuanian + 35.7% North_German @ 2.87
    19 76.9% Belorussian + 23.1% Southeast_English @ 2.89
    20 53.7% Lithuanian + 46.3% East_German @ 2.91

    Eurogenes K15:

    Population
    North_Sea 25.82 Pct
    Atlantic 18.64 Pct
    Baltic 28.34 Pct
    Eastern_Euro 18.25 Pct
    West_Med 6.7 Pct
    West_Asian 2.24 Pct
    East_Med -
    Red_Sea -
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Polish 4.2
    2 South_Polish 5.18
    3 Ukrainian 5.85
    4 Estonian 6.29
    5 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.7
    6 Belorussian 7.77
    7 Russian_Smolensk 7.85
    8 Estonian_Polish 8.19
    9 Southwest_Russian 9.03
    10 Southwest_Finnish 9.45
    11 Finnish 9.62
    12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.63
    13 Lithuanian 10.04
    14 Croatian 11.23
    15 East_German 11.42
    16 Hungarian 11.51
    17 East_Finnish 11.8
    18 Kargopol_Russian 12.57
    19 Austrian 13.57
    20 Moldavian 13.88

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 69.6% Lithuanian + 30.4% Southwest_English @ 2.43
    2 71.6% Lithuanian + 28.4% Orcadian @ 2.95
    3 69.8% Lithuanian + 30.2% Southeast_English @ 2.96
    4 67.7% Lithuanian + 32.3% North_Dutch @ 2.97
    5 85.5% Polish + 14.5% Swedish @ 3
    6 66.4% Lithuanian + 33.6% Norwegian @ 3.01
    7 88% Polish + 12% West_Norwegian @ 3.04
    8 53.5% Lithuanian + 46.5% East_German @ 3.07
    9 69.7% Estonian_Polish + 30.3% Swedish @ 3.11
    10 87% Polish + 13% Norwegian @ 3.11
    11 75% Belorussian + 25% West_Norwegian @ 3.17
    12 68.2% Lithuanian + 31.8% West_German @ 3.17
    13 67.7% Lithuanian + 32.3% Danish @ 3.2
    14 69.1% Lithuanian + 30.9% West_Norwegian @ 3.2
    15 73.9% Estonian_Polish + 26.1% West_Norwegian @ 3.2
    16 72.8% Belorussian + 27.2% Norwegian @ 3.21
    17 71.1% Belorussian + 28.9% Swedish @ 3.24
    18 70.2% Lithuanian + 29.8% West_Scottish @ 3.24
    19 84.8% Polish + 15.2% North_Swedish @ 3.26
    20 67.7% Lithuanian + 32.3% South_Dutch @ 3.27

    Dodecad K12b:

    Population
    Gedrosia 3.39 Pct
    Siberian -
    Northwest_African -
    Southeast_Asian -
    Atlantic_Med 28.55 Pct
    North_European 57.13 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_African -
    Southwest_Asian 0.93 Pct
    East_Asian -
    Caucasus 10 Pct
    Sub_Saharan -

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    I don't have his G25 yet.
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    Simulated his K36 results for the meantime

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    Slovincian1_K36_sim,0.1345998,0.132087,0.0722548,0.0620518,0.0443474,0.0250754,0.0079106,0.0113759,-0.0001738,-0.0166425,-0.0053181,-0.0061991,0.0091569,0.0265693,-0.0029611,-0.0009196,-0.002483,0.0004807,0.0053375,0.0010452,-0.002037,-0.0062465,0.0060229,0.0013869,0.0010401

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    At first glance, his results are very similar as typical results of eastern Kashubians (Catholic Kashubians).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    At first glance, his results are very similar as typical results of eastern Kashubians (Catholic Kashubians).
    As you know, Tomeneable, Slovincians are basically Kashubians who were totally assimilated into the German culture. As such, I imagine they might have a higher Germanic component than some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chum View Post
    Simulated his K36 results for the meantime

    Code:
    Slovincian1_K36_sim,0.1345998,0.132087,0.0722548,0.0620518,0.0443474,0.0250754,0.0079106,0.0113759,-0.0001738,-0.0166425,-0.0053181,-0.0061991,0.0091569,0.0265693,-0.0029611,-0.0009196,-0.002483,0.0004807,0.0053375,0.0010452,-0.002037,-0.0062465,0.0060229,0.0013869,0.0010401
    Looks Mazovian/Silesian/Masurian-Prussian:
    0. Sorb_Oberlausitz 0.013181
    1. Polish_Mazovian_s 0.013336
    2. German_Prussia_Masuria_s 0.014750
    3. Polish 0.014972
    4. Polish_Upper_Silesia_s 0.015064
    5. Polish_Wielkopolska 0.016776
    6. Polish_Lublin_s 0.016816
    7. Polish_Carpathia_s 0.017110
    8. Polish_Odolanow 0.017430
    9. Polish_Kuyavia-Notec 0.018459
    10. Belarusian_West_s 0.018690
    11. Polish_Podlasie_s 0.019250
    12. Belarusian_Polesye_s 0.019640
    13. Ukrainian_Sumy 0.019651
    14. Polish_Kashubian-Pomerelia 0.020211
    15. Russian_Smolensk 0.020945
    16. Ukrainian_Zhytomyr 0.021013
    17. Ukrainian 0.021245
    18. German_West_Prussia_s 0.022051
    19. Ukrainian_Rivne 0.022328
    20. Ukrainian_Chernihiv 0.022535



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by leonardo View Post
    As such, I imagine they might have a higher Germanic component than some.
    It doesn't seem to be the case based on this person's results (at least not compared to Catholic Kashubians from more eastern areas).

    There are 2 more Slovincian volunteers to get tested (their results will probably be available around October of this year) but I don't expect their results to be very different. It seems that Slovincians were endogamous and married only within their own villages based on this person's GEDmatch "Are your parents related?" results:

    "Evaluating Kit XM1216887 (*Kluki Slovincian A) for related parents:

    This analysis indicates that your parents may be distantly related."

    ^^^
    So his parents seem to be distant cousins, based on this tool.

    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    0. Sorb_Oberlausitz 0.013181
    1. Polish_Mazovian_s 0.013336
    2. German_Prussia_Masuria_s 0.014750
    3. Polish 0.014972
    4. Polish_Upper_Silesia_s 0.015064
    5. Polish_Wielkopolska 0.016776
    6. Polish_Lublin_s 0.016816
    7. Polish_Carpathia_s 0.017110
    8. Polish_Odolanow 0.017430
    9. Polish_Kuyavia-Notec 0.018459
    10. Belarusian_West_s 0.018690
    11. Polish_Podlasie_s 0.019250
    12. Belarusian_Polesye_s 0.019640
    13. Ukrainian_Sumy 0.019651
    14. Polish_Kashubian-Pomerelia 0.020211
    15. Russian_Smolensk 0.020945
    16. Ukrainian_Zhytomyr 0.021013
    17. Ukrainian 0.021245
    18. German_West_Prussia_s 0.022051
    19. Ukrainian_Rivne 0.022328
    20. Ukrainian_Chernihiv 0.022535
    What will happen if you split Polish_Kashubian-Pomerelia average into 2 averages - Polish-Kashubian and Polish-Pomerelia - and then run it again?

    Edit:

    I think you are mixing simulated G25 populations with real G25 populations in one comparison - perhaps not a very good idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post

    What will happen if you split Polish_Kashubian-Pomerelia average into 2 averages - Polish-Kashubian and Polish-Pomerelia - and then run it again?

    Edit:

    I think you are mixing simulated G25 populations with real G25 populations in one comparison - perhaps not a very good idea!
    I merged these two into one with a reason. They behave too chaotic for this geographic position. I can see this in every map that I make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    I merged these two into one with a reason. They behave too chaotic for this geographic position.
    That's because they are very different from each other, and this is why they should not be merged.

    They are close in terms of geography, but are different ethnically. Pomerelian sample is not Kashubian.

    They should not be merged because they are two different ethnicities: Kociewie Pole vs. Kashubian.

    Check - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kociewie (Kociewie is part of Pomerelia)

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    I was told by user Waldemar that Kociewians (such as his wife) generally did not mix with Kashubians.
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