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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    Then it is mislabeled as a modern sample, which would make sense because I cannot find this sample.
    Actually no, the article that this sample(Old Bulgar) belongs is not published yet and expected to be published in late 2021 if I recall. But Carlos, admin of indo-european.eu has contacts with the Reichlab so I'd guess he has got a "spoiler" for the upcoming results.

    The other sample registered in yfull is a recent test of a modern Bulgarian from Pernik and apparently, there is a SNP match between these two samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Actually no, the article that this sample(Old Bulgar) belongs is not published yet and expected to be published in late 2021 if I recall. But Carlos, admin of indo-european.eu has contacts with the Reichlab so I'd guess he has got a "spoiler" for the upcoming results.

    The other sample registered in yfull is a recent test of a modern Bulgarian from Pernik and apparently, there is a SNP match between these two samples.
    Okay yes that is what I meant, but I cannot find this bulgarian individual on FTDNA. A proto bulgar connection would be very interesting indeed as there are not many ydna ties to asia.
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    https://yfull.com/live/tree/Q-L715/
    Another Turkish sample added to the branch which autosomally is close to bulgarians from Thrace(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing)
    Last edited by Afshar; 05-27-2021 at 07:05 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    indoe-uropean.eu listed the Proto-Bulgar sample as L712 although the article is not published yet. Probably, he has information from the inside.

    https://indo-european.eu/ancient-dna/

    Object-ID SEEurope9
    YTree Q1a-L712
    Y-Haplotree-Variant Q-L712
    Y-Haplotree-Public Q-L712
    YFull Q-L712
    ISOGG2019 Q1a2a
    Source ReichLab2020(SE_Europe)
    Date 9th century
    Simplified_Culture Bulgaria_EMA
    Culture_Grouping Old Bulgar / Avar
    Location (Central Bulgaria)
    Its quite simple actually. Depends on the ISOGG tree. Looking at other samples from the leaked upcoming study we can see what tree they used. In the Mathieson et al. study for the Beli Bryag sample designation was I2a2:L37, it's pre-2018 name. Since 2018 its new designation is I2a1b, and in the upcoming paper there is another Beli Bryag EBA I2a1b sample.. It's clear they are using the 2018 or 2019 ISOGG tree. So the Bulgar sample is Q-L712, Q-L53 necessitates usage of the 2016 ISOGG tree, and that is clearly not the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by eastara View Post
    Yes, this sample is not connected to any modern Balkan or European sample. Could be some remnant from the Bronze age - Q1b is found in Early Bronze from South East Bulgaria.
    https://proizhod.nauka.bg/2020/10/06/news/
    Thanks for this screenshot! By "stealing" info from Stamov's interview I was not able to get some locations, including the EBA Yamnaya samples. Now I know where all the samples are from and I can obtain the detailed archeological context from other sources.

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    A new chinese sample from Yilin under the BZ1030 clade. Wonder what his ethnicity is.
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    https://www.theytree.com/tree/Q-Y16849

    Thailand has joined the party. I cannot find any background information though.

    Ediy: has the suffix MO so probably belongs to this group
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon_people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    https://www.theytree.com/tree/Q-Y16849

    Thailand has joined the party. I cannot find any background information though.

    Ediy: has the suffix MO so probably belongs to this group
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon_people
    That individual should be MO721 from the MO7 sample (n=14) of Kutanan et al. (2019), "Contrasting Paternal and Maternal Genetic Histories of Thai and Lao Populations."

    Judging from the placement of the dot for "MO7" on the map in Fig. 1 ("Map showing sample locations and haplogroup distributions") of Kutanan et al. (2019), the MO7 sample should be a sample collected in the western part of the Bangkok Metropolitan Region, or roughly around the border between Samut Sakhon Province and Nakhon Pathom Province of Thailand.

    The MO7 population sample does indeed represent people who have declared themselves to be ethnic Mon, but it is unclear when they or their ancestors might have migrated to Thailand; they are probably not in situ descendants of the ancient Mon indigenes of their present place of residence.

    Y-DNA of MO7 (cf. Table S1 of Kutanan et al. 2019)
    1/14 = 7.1% H1a1d2b3a1-Z5882
    2/14 = 14.3% J2a1h2-L25
    1/14 = 7.1% O1a1a1a1a-F81
    1/14 = 7.1% O1b1a1a1a1b-F2890
    1/14 = 7.1% O1b1a1a1b1a-Z23673/B426(xSK1640, FGC29907)
    1/14 = 7.1% O2a2a2a1-F2859
    2/14 = 14.3% O2a2b1a1a-F8/F42(xF2137, F474/F317)
    1/14 = 7.1% O2a2b1a2a1-F46/F323
    1/14 = 7.1% Q1a1b1-L712
    1/14 = 7.1% Q1a2-L56/M346(xL933/L941)
    1/14 = 7.1% R1a1a1b2a2b1b-F2935
    1/14 = 7.1% R1b1a2a2-Z2105/CTS1078

    Q1a1b1-L712 is the major extant subclade of haplogroup Q-M25.

    Note that only two individuals (2/14 = 14.3%) in the MO7 sample belong to subclades of haplogroup O1b1a1a-M95, which has been noted for its high frequency among present-day speakers of some languages that have been classified as Austroasiatic (e.g. Nicobarese, Remo/Bonda, Htin/Lua/Mal/Pray).

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    Yes thanks, could not find the paper. As you stated the paper also suggests indian influence for the Mon samples, so this one probably is related to the indian (ytree does not calculate trmca themselves i see). Slighly disappointed though, recently this documentary crossed my path https://youtu.be/JQl-MfNc4aQ but its highly unlikley this one is indigenous.
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    other countries can be seen everywhere here... Here live the people who wear the cleanest clothes and prepare the
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    Ibn Battuta about Asia Minor 1333CE

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