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    Impact of invasions and/or settlements in the Iberian Peninsula

    Hello everyone , I create this thread to ask and discuss about the different events that marked the current Iberian population such as the Phoenicians , Carthaginians , Romans , Visigoths , North Africans , Franks ETC ...

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    We can start with phoenicians and carthaginians, thei r contribution is insignificant and irrelevant, our levantine blood levels are similar to those of the french, that is to say ridoculous compared to those of italians and Balkans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodilkas View Post
    We can start with phoenicians and carthaginians, thei r contribution is insignificant and irrelevant, our levantine blood levels are similar to those of the french, that is to say ridoculous compared to those of italians and Balkans.
    Rome imperial is not strictly levantine.

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    Im not talking about Imperial Rome but of phoenicians carthaginians and greeks. It is very difficult to find their genetic trace in Iberia. They were very few colonies and commercial factories that hardly influenced the natives who traded with them.

    Regarding the roman legionaries and colonist who conquered Hispania, the genetic composition of the etruscans and italics was very similar to that of the Iberians, ie western european shifted, so they did not substantially modify their genetic composition

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    The Roman Empire (100-450 ad) did introduce some genetic innovations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodilkas View Post
    The Roman Empire (100-450 ad) did introduce some genetic innovations
    Si modificó sustancialmente la genética de la península itálica modificó también la nuestra, aunque en menor medida. El aporte de la época romana no se limita solo a las tribus itálicas.

    El aporte griego, fenicio y romano (imperial) se puede confundir,. Un componente East-med por encima de lo normal puede ser un buen indicador de estos aportes.

    Cártago tuvo algo más que colonias aisladas, y un aporte similar continuó en el SE en las mismas zonas que anteriormente tuvieron influencia cartaginesa durante el control bizantino.

    Y después siguieron los aportes...

    Aunque ningún aporte por separado varíe mucho lo que había inicialmente, muchos pequeños aportes acaban haciendo una diferencia , aunque no enorme, sí sustancialmente apreciable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorddraco14 View Post
    Hello everyone , I create this thread to ask and discuss about the different events that marked the current Iberian population such as the Phoenicians , Carthaginians , Romans , Visigoths , North Africans , Franks ETC ...


    What could it mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    Si modificó sustancialmente la genética de la península itálica modificó también la nuestra, aunque en menor medida. El aporte de la época romana no se limita solo a las tribus itálicas.

    El aporte griego, fenicio y romano (imperial) se puede confundir,. Un componente East-med por encima de lo normal puede ser un buen indicador de estos aportes.

    Cártago tuvo algo más que colonias aisladas, y un aporte similar continuó en el SE en las mismas zonas que anteriormente tuvieron influencia cartaginesa durante el control bizantino.

    Y después siguieron los aportes...

    Aunque ningún aporte por separado varíe mucho lo que había inicialmente, muchos pequeños aportes acaban haciendo una diferencia , aunque no enorme, sí sustancialmente apreciable.
    Respecto a los romanos, la conquista comenzó en 218 ac, en aquella epoca Roma no habia conquistado nada fuera de la peninsula italica. La gran mayoria de legionarios y colonos eran etruscos e italicos, nada nuevo para los iberos El gran cambio east med shift en Italia es a raiz de la epoca imperial y apenas afectó a España

    A nosotros nos afectaron mas los movimientos de poblacion desde el norte de africa. Legionarios africanos en Leon, comercianres y esclavos africanos erc. Pequeños porcentajes de sangre norteafricana fueron asimilados rapidamente por los hispanorromanos

    Respecto a los cartagineses , no estamos de acuerdo, sus campañas militares en Hispania fueron efimeras y nunca controlaron el territorio. Ademas tanto fenicios como cartagineses eran levantinos africanizados, es decir con poca sangre levantina despues de muchas generaciones fuera de su tierra

    Nuesrros porcentajes levantinos comparados con los italianos, incluso del norte de Italia, son ridiculos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LesPoilus View Post


    What could it mean?

    It means that frenchs, spaniards and northern italians are the europeans most similar to BBs. The impact of migrations and conquests has been minimal in the Iberian peninsula, although many people try to exaggerate it.

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