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    Quote Originally Posted by peloponnesian View Post
    Isn't there also the possibility that Algerian men were just more diverse in terms of haplogroups than Moroccans? Also, I'm not sure how much control women had in who they married back in the day.. Even in the EU arranged marriages used to be common a few decades back in rural areas.
    I don't think so, let's not forget that Algeria is a recently formed country, we was colonised by the French. considering they were at the forefront of invasions and migrations it makes much more sense for them to have more diversity. I would assume some of the men carrying these haplogroups were introduced into berber tribes after marrying berber women.


    Berber tribes are traced back through parental haplogroups etc Zenati tribes will share the same subclade due to isolation, the highest concentration of berber haplgroups is in morocco and I think this because of where we are geographically placed and also it would have being more difficult for invading forces to navigate the terrain at that time
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    Distance: 1.5938% / 0.01593837 | R3P
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    Quote Originally Posted by peloponnesian View Post
    Isn't there also the possibility that Algerian men were just more diverse in terms of haplogroups than Moroccans?
    the austrian north african sample was under the I haplogroup despite having average/below average steppe though I don't remember the exact subclade. it seems that all of north africa was a lot more diverse in terms of ydna in the past.
    one of the guanches were also j-m267


    Target: Austria_Wels:R10667_AD171_Coverage_85.35%
    Distance: 1.9969% / 0.01996896
    40.6 Early_European_Farmer
    23.4 Iberomaurusian
    12.8 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
    7.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
    7.0 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    4.0 Dinka
    3.0 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP
    2.0 Iran_Neolithic

    Quote Originally Posted by peloponnesian View Post
    Also, I'm not sure how much control women had in who they married back in the day.. Even in the EU arranged marriages used to be common a few decades back in rural areas.
    they definitely have more control nowadays compared to the past, i doubt that's the reason
    Target: abceff
    Distance: 2.7952% / 0.02795248
    34.6 Anatolia_N
    18.0 Taforalt
    17.8 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
    11.0 SSA
    6.8 Yamnaya
    5.8 Iran_N
    4.8 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN
    1.2 Baltic_HG

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZWQ View Post
    My father was assigned G-S10458 by 23andme. There doesn't seem to be much info on how it got to North Africa. Anyone here know much about it?
    This haplogroup is linked with Anatolian Farmers. It may have entered Algeria during Neolithic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZWQ View Post
    Algeria.
    Which tribe and region in Algeria?
    37.2 Iberomaurusian
    36.0 Early_European_Farmer
    8.6 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    7.8 Steppe_Pastoralist
    5.4 Iran_Neolithic
    5.0 SSA


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abceff View Post
    the austrian north african sample was under the I haplogroup despite having average/below average steppe though I don't remember the exact subclade. it seems that all of north africa was a lot more diverse in terms of ydna in the past.
    one of the guanches were also j-m267


    Target: Austria_Wels:R10667_AD171_Coverage_85.35%
    Distance: 1.9969% / 0.01996896
    40.6 Early_European_Farmer
    23.4 Iberomaurusian
    12.8 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
    7.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
    7.0 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    4.0 Dinka
    3.0 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP
    2.0 Iran_Neolithic



    they definitely have more control nowadays compared to the past, i doubt that's the reason
    That sample is poor fit for modern North Africans and is clearly admixed. The sample doesn’t need to have a high steppe ancestry for the y dna to be connected to his steppe ancestry, if you mix over generations then of course the ancestry will dilute

    More of an outlier than a representation of North Africa. As for the J sample they could have had multiple migrations to the islands or one user said that J could be very ancient in North Africa
    Target: _Arab
    Distance: 1.5938% / 0.01593837 | R3P
    57.6 TUN_Kerkouane_IA
    32.4 Levant_Baqah_BA
    10.0 COG_Kindoki_230BP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachf View Post
    This haplogroup is linked with Anatolian Farmers. It may have entered Algeria during Neolithic.
    We have no male Neolithic samples from Maghreb holding this haplogroup. It’s pretty much known the Anatolian wave was through the female line rather than male line hence the mtdna. The haplogroup is a lot more recent then Neolithic I think you are just reaching with that statement
    Target: _Arab
    Distance: 1.5938% / 0.01593837 | R3P
    57.6 TUN_Kerkouane_IA
    32.4 Levant_Baqah_BA
    10.0 COG_Kindoki_230BP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    We have no male Neolithic samples from Maghreb holding this haplogroup. It’s pretty much known the Anatolian wave was through the female line rather than male line hence the mtdna. The haplogroup is a lot more recent then Neolithic I think you are just reaching with that statement
    As Gentica277282 said, this haplogroup is more recent than the Neolithic period. Considering that it's a subclade under G-L497, it is most likely of recent European origin.
    Y-DNA: R1b-U152 > L2 > Z367 > Z34 > Z33 > BY164497> BY3604 > FT190670 (Réveillon, Orne, France)

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    Maternal Y-DNA: J2a-M67 > Z1847 > Y4036 > Z467 > Z447> L210 (Calabria, Italy)

    Paternal mtDNA: K1b2b (France)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    That sample is poor fit for modern North Africans and is clearly admixed
    not necessarily, and it's only a "poor fit" for arabs/berbers from the western maghreb, though that's a discussion for another thread
    Target: abceff
    Distance: 2.7952% / 0.02795248
    34.6 Anatolia_N
    18.0 Taforalt
    17.8 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
    11.0 SSA
    6.8 Yamnaya
    5.8 Iran_N
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    1.2 Baltic_HG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abceff View Post
    not necessarily, and it's only a "poor fit" for arabs/berbers from the western maghreb, though that's a discussion for another thread
    Yeah if you could post some results on the NA thread we can continue it there
    Target: _Arab
    Distance: 1.5938% / 0.01593837 | R3P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imesmouden View Post
    Which tribe and region in Algeria?
    No tribal affiliation as far as I'm aware. The northeast region of Algeria, near the Tunisian border.

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