Y-DNA in South Asia

[Kaazi]

Couldnt find a separate thread for Y-DNA discussion.

An interesting sample considering its neu vs caucasus ratio, high neu despite elevated SI and low caucasus. Do you have idea of haplogroups of different Rajput clans ?

Rather different Rajput/Kshatriya y-haplos of different countries/regions.

Rajput (Pakistan)-Punjabi?:n=12 Courtesy Kapisa 1k genome project
R1a-M417=6
R2a3a=2
L1a1=1
H1a1d2c1b1=1
L1a2=1
Q1a=1


H1a is the dominant haplo beside the R-Y7 among us.

Kshatriya (Nepal)-Khas Chhetri courtesy Poi/gedmatch n=28
R1a= 4
R1a-Y7 =7
R1a-Y6 = 3
H1a =5
L1a2-M357 = 2
J2b2a-M241 = 2
C-M130=2
Q1b-L275 =1
Q1a2-L56 =1
R2a-L266 =1

Pahadi Indian Rajputs from Mondal et al 2016 (Jodhpur, Rajasthan) n=7+2

Sample ID	Group	Haplogroup (Y)	Haplogroup (Mt)
ERR1812195	RAJPUT	C-Y33574	HV26
ERR1812193	RAJPUT	H-FT325242*	R30b1b1
ERR1812190	RAJPUT	H-Z34721	U7a3a5b*
ERR1812198	RAJPUT	J-Y253873	U2e1h1a*
ERR1812189	RAJPUT	J-Y3740*	M9a1b1*
ERR1812194	RAJPUT	R-YP5633*	M3a1-a3*
ERR1812196	RAJPUT	R-YP523*	M5a6a*

+User Dhw Thakur (Jogindernagar, Mandi, Himachal)'s J2a-M410
and Amit Singh Varaha (Ambota, Una, Himachal)'s Q1b-L275

[J Man]

Good thread!

[Gentica277282]

Most south Asians holding J2a seem to be upstream

[Yamdut]

Couldnt find a separate thread for Y-DNA discussion.




Rather different Rajput/Kshatriya y-haplos of different countries/regions.

Rajput (Pakistan)-Punjabi?:n=12 Courtesy Kapisa 1k genome project
R1a-M417=6
R2a3a=2
L1a1=1
H1a1d2c1b1=1
L1a2=1
Q1a=1


H1a is the dominant haplo beside the R-Y7 among us.

Kshatriya (Nepal)-Khas Chhetri courtesy Poi/gedmatch
R1a= 4
R1a-Y7 =7
R1a-Y6 = 3
H1a =5
L1a2-M357 = 2
J2b2a-M241 = 2
C-M130=2
Q1b-L275 =1
Q1a2-L56 =1
R2a-L266 =1

Pahadi Indian Rajputs from Mondal et al 2016 (Jodhpur, Rajasthan)

Sample ID	Group	Haplogroup (Y)	Haplogroup (Mt)
ERR1812195	RAJPUT	C-Y33574	HV26
ERR1812193	RAJPUT	H-FT325242*	R30b1b1
ERR1812190	RAJPUT	H-Z34721	U7a3a5b*
ERR1812198	RAJPUT	J-Y253873	U2e1h1a*
ERR1812189	RAJPUT	J-Y3740*	M9a1b1*
ERR1812194	RAJPUT	R-YP5633*	M3a1-a3*
ERR1812196	RAJPUT	R-YP523*	M5a6a*

+User Dhw Thakur (Jogindernagar, Mandi, Himachal)'s J2a-M410
and Amit Singh Varaha (Ambota, Una, Himachal)'s Q1b-L275

Interesting results. Khas are mostly Y7. How do you divide Y7 and Y6 among different groups ?

[Kapisa]

Couldnt find a separate thread for Y-DNA discussion.




Rather different Rajput/Kshatriya y-haplos of different countries/regions.

Rajput (Pakistan)-Punjabi?:n=12 Courtesy Kapisa 1k genome project
R1a-M417=6
R2a3a=2
L1a1=1
H1a1d2c1b1=1
L1a2=1
Q1a=1


H1a is the dominant haplo beside the R-Y7 among us.

Kshatriya (Nepal)-Khas Chhetri courtesy Poi/gedmatch
R1a= 4
R1a-Y7 =7
R1a-Y6 = 3
H1a =5
L1a2-M357 = 2
J2b2a-M241 = 2
C-M130=2
Q1b-L275 =1
Q1a2-L56 =1
R2a-L266 =1

Pahadi Indian Rajputs from Mondal et al 2016 (Jodhpur, Rajasthan)

Sample ID	Group	Haplogroup (Y)	Haplogroup (Mt)
ERR1812195	RAJPUT	C-Y33574	HV26
ERR1812193	RAJPUT	H-FT325242*	R30b1b1
ERR1812190	RAJPUT	H-Z34721	U7a3a5b*
ERR1812198	RAJPUT	J-Y253873	U2e1h1a*
ERR1812189	RAJPUT	J-Y3740*	M9a1b1*
ERR1812194	RAJPUT	R-YP5633*	M3a1-a3*
ERR1812196	RAJPUT	R-YP523*	M5a6a*

+User Dhw Thakur (Jogindernagar, Mandi, Himachal)'s J2a-M410
and Amit Singh Varaha (Ambota, Una, Himachal)'s Q1b-L275

Any Chhetri Y7 on YFull?
So far among the Janjuas in Pakistan there are 2 R-M417 (1 confirmed downstream Y7), 1 R2a, 1 E, 1 L1c, 1 Q1a.

[subzero85]

Shia Syeds, mostly Uttar Pradesh origin

J-M267 (12/56 = 21.43%)

J-M267 (Big-Y Interesting)
1. J-M267 J-M267, H2; Maternal 5th cousin
2. J-M267, null; Rizvi from Jaunpur. Friend of anthrogenica user Ahmed Ali
3. J-M267, R30b; Anthrogenica user asadzaidi cousin, Zaidi, related to my maternal grandfather

J-CTS5368 (Big-Y Interesting)
4. J-CTS5368, M3a1; Paternal 4th cousin
5. J-CTS5368, M30; Paternal 3rd cousin, Naqvi
6. J-CTS5368, W; Relative of anthrogenica user Pakistani, Bilgrami
7. J-CTS5368, M5a; Paternal 4th cousin

J-P58 (Medina -> Tous (Iran) -> North India, Big-Y Interesting)
8. J-P58, M30; Rizvi

J-FGC10500, J-FGC30416, J-FGC61618 (Medina -> Mashhad -> Agra)
9. J-FT61618, U7; Anthrogenica user rizvim.
10. J-FT61618, null; Anthrogenica user hussain.r97

J-FGC10500, J-FGC30416, J-FGC54257, J-YFS4252908, J-FT404533
11. J-FT405468, T1a; Anthrogenica user asadzaidi, Zaidi, Abu Farah Wasiti/ Wasit, Iraq > Khairthal, N.India. Maternal 5th cousin
12. J-MF187340, null; Taqvi lineage. Medina -> Qom -> North India

J-M172, J-M410 J2a (7/56 = 12.5%)

J-M410, J-L26
1. J-L26, U2; Rizvi/Zaidi

J-PF5197, J-PF5172, J-PF5169, J-PF5174, J-S19231, J-S25338, J-Z6083, J-Z6082, J-FT126996
2. J-FT126996, M3d1a; Me, Taqvi Lineage
3. J-FT126996, M3d1a; My Brother

J-M410, J-L26, J-PF5125, J-Z2227, J-Z6065, J-Y7708, J-Y7702, J-M47 (Big-Y Interesting)
4. J-M47, M2b1; Maternal 4th cousin, Jaffery
5. J-M47, M5a; Jaffery
6. J-M47, R30a; Jaffery

J-M410, J-L26, J-PF5088, J-PF5125, J-Z1846, J-M67 (Big-Y Interesting)
7. J-M67, N5

J-M172, J-M102, J2b (2/56 = 3.57%)

J-M102, J-Z534, J-Z1825, J-Z593
1. J-M241, R6a1; Naqvi
2. J-M241, M35b; Naqvi

G (1/56 = 1.79%)
G-P287, G-Y238, G-P15, G-L1259, G-L30, G-CTS574, G-CTS2488, G-P303, G-BY28175 (Big-Y Interesting)
1. G-Z30503, null; Rizvi from Jaunpur, UP

E (4/56 = 7.14%)

E-M35, E-V68, E-M78 (Big-Y Interesting)
1. E-M78, M30d1

E-M35, E-Z827, E-CTS10298, E-PF1962, E-M123, E-M34 (Big-Y Interesting)
2. E-M34, M33a; Gardezi Sadaat, Naqvi

E-M35, E-V68, E-M78, E-PF2179, E-Z1902, E-V12 (Big-Y Interesting)
3. E-V12, M5c; Maternal 3rd/4th cousin
4. E-Z1902, U4a; Maternal 3rd/4th cousin

R1a (12/56 = 21.43%)

R-M417
1. R-M417, I5; 4th/5th cousin, Bilgram Sadaat
2. R-M417, R31a1; Zaidi
3. R-M417, M35b; Jaffery

R-M417, R-PF6162, R-Z93
4. R-Z93, U7; Rizvi
5. R-Z93, M4a; Zaidi, Father-in-law of anthrogenica user alirajani

R-M417, R-PF6162, R-Z93, R-Z94, R-FT197453, R-F2597, R-AM00479, R-M634, R-L657, R-Z29117, R-Y6
6. R-Y6, M38a; 2nd/3rd cousin
7. R-Y6, M5a2a1; Anthrogenica user Raza94, Gilani from Punjab
8. R-Y6, null; Raza94 Cousin, Gilani from Punjab
9. R-Y6, null; Raza94 Uncle, Gilani from Punjab,
10. R-Y6, U5a1

R-M417, R-PF6162, R-Z93, R-Z94, R-FT197453, R-F2597, R-AM00479, R-M634, R-L657, R-Y9, R-Y7
11. R-Y7, U2b2; Jaffri,
12. R-Y7, M5d; Jaffri

R1b (4/56 = 7.14%)

R-M173, R-M343, R-L754, R-L389, R-P297, R-M269, R-L23, R-Z2103, R-M12149, R-Z2106, R-Z2109
1. R-CTS1843, H5'36; Maternal 5th cousin
2. R-CTS1843, M30c; Zaidi

R-M173, R-M343, R-L754, R-L389, R-P297, R-M269, R-L23
3. R-L23, M3a1; Maternal 4th cousin
4. R-L23, M4'46

R2 (1/56 = 1.79%)

R-M207, R-M479
1. R-L266, M3d1a; Maternal 2nd cousin.

I (2/56 = 3.57%)

I-M223, I-P222, I-CTS616, I-CTS10057, I-L702, I-S22311, I-L703, I-S12195, I-S21579, I-S10768
1. I-S10768, M18; Amroha Sadaat, Naqvi from Wasit, Predicted by subzero85 origin as Iran/Turkey
2. I-M233, R6; Amroha Sadaat, Naqvi from Wasit

T (3/56 = 5.36%)

T-M184, T-M70, T-Z19859, T-L208, T-CTS11451, T-CTS2214, T-Z709
1. T-Z709, M3d1a; 2nd cousin, claim a Mousavi/Kazimi line
2. T-Z709, M3d1a; 2nd cousin, claim a Mousavi/Kazimi line
3. T-Z709, H2a2b; 3rd cousin maternal side

C (1/56 = 1.79%)

C-F3393, C-F137, C-K281, C-Y28069, C-K98, C-P92, C-K108, C-Z5895
1. C-K96, X2b1; 2nd/3rd cousin

H (3/56 = 5.36%)

H-L901, H-M2826, H-L902, H-M69, H-PH830, H-Z14258
1. H-Z14258, M45; Maternal 3rd/4th cousin
2. H-Z14258, M45; Maternal 3rd/4th cousin

H-L901, H-M2826, H-L902, H-M69, H-M52, H-M82, H-M2745, H-M2772, H-SK1225, H-M2867, H-M3038, H-Z5881, H-Z5882
3. H-Z5882, M2b1; Maternal 5th cousin

L (2/56 = 3.57%)

L-M20, L-M22, L-M2357, L-M2533, L-M357
1. L-M27, R5a2

L-M20, L-M22, L-M2357, L-M2533, L-M357, L-M2398, L-M2550, L-M2509, L-M2385, L-Y62624
2. L-Y62624, null; Abidi, match of anthrogenica user Raza94.

Q (1/56 = 1.79%)
Q-M242, Q-L275
1. Q-L275, K1a4; Paternal 4th cousin, Rizvi,

O-F8 (1/56 = 1.79)
O-M175, O-M122, O-F36, O-M324, O-P201, O-P164, O-M134, O-F450, O-M117, O-M133
1. O-F8, T; Rizvi

[Kaazi]

Any Chhetri Y7 on YFull?
So far among the Janjuas in Pakistan there are 2 R-M417 (1 confirmed downstream Y7), 1 R2a, 1 E, 1 L1c, 1 Q1a.

Wow, you guys have E. R2a, J2 & L1c are very typical in your belt I guess beside R1a; R2a even moreso in the NW Himalayas.

Chhetris aren't in Yfull but there's 1 Bahun (Sapkota clan -Gulmi/Arghakhanchi districts West Nepal) in Y7 Y-full so far and he's Y7>Y30>Y29>Y944>BY65281 Moreover, I also have Sapkota Chhetri kins, same haplo is expected.

Interesting results. Khas are mostly Y7. How do you divide Y7 and Y6 among different groups ?

No, I don't divide it; some tested deeper while some didn't. Eventually, all those upstream haplos will join Y6 & Y7. Not every Khas are Y7 dominant. Brahmin Khas are equal in Y7 & Y6 w/o any Z2123.

Brahmin (Nepal) - Khas Bahun (n=152) courtesy Poi
R1a =36
R1a-Y7 =23
R1a-Y6 =23
R2a-L266 =22
J2-M172 =18
C-M130 =13
H1a-M69 =10
O =3
Q =2
D =1
N =1
Total 152

Pie chart here

 

Bahuns are way high R2a (like Dogras) compared to Chhetris but lack 'L' even in a group of 152 samples.

[MonkeyDLuffy]

Wow, you guys have E. R2a, J2 & L1c are very typical in your belt I guess beside R1a; R2a even moreso in the NW Himalayas.

Chhetris aren't in Yfull but there's 1 Bahun (Sapkota clan -Gulmi/Arghakhanchi districts West Nepal) in Y7 Y-full so far and he's Y7>Y30>Y29>Y944>BY65281




No, I don't divide it; some tested deeper while some didn't. Eventually, all those upstream haplos will join Y6 & Y7. Not every Khas are Y7 dominant. Brahmin Khas are equal in Y7 & Y6 w/o any Z2123.

Brahmin (Nepal) - Khas Bahun (n=152) courtesy Poi
R1a =36
R1a-Y7 =23
R1a-Y6 =23
R2a-L266 =22
J2-M172 =18
C-M130 =13
H1a-M69 =10
O =3
Q =2
D =1
N =1
Total 152

Pie chart here

 

Is there any Bahun on Y2568*?

[Kaazi]

Is there any Bahun on Y2568*?

Not so far. Only Poi and Sapkota guy among L657 are tested deeper and Poi is on Y6>Y920>BY160158 while Sapkota is on Y944>BY65281. Are you also on Y2568?


But if you ask me which clan will probably get there. Gautam (all Y7), Adhikari, Neupane, Aryal or Poudel can get there and Y-DNA distribution are appearing clan-wise so far. Modern Rukum district (Eastern Khas belt) in the medieval times had only 2 Khas clans (Sapkota, Gautam) and both are Y7 so far. So, some regions could be skewed towards Y7.

[MonkeyDLuffy]

Not so far. Only Poi and Sapkota guy among L657 are tested deeper and Poi is on Y6>Y920>BY160158 while Sapkota is on Y944>BY65281. Are you also on Y2568?


But if you ask me which clan will probably get there. Gautam (all Y7), Adhikari, Neupane, Aryal or Poudel can get there and Y-DNA distribution are appearing clan-wise so far. Modern Rukum district (Eastern Khas belt) in the medieval times had only 2 Khas clans (Sapkota, Gautam) and both are Y7 so far. So, some regions could be skewed towards Y7.

Yea me and Kapisa are both Y2568*. He has tested further than that, I haven't yet.