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    Y-DNA in South Asia

    Couldnt find a separate thread for Y-DNA discussion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Yamdut View Post
    An interesting sample considering its neu vs caucasus ratio, high neu despite elevated SI and low caucasus. Do you have idea of haplogroups of different Rajput clans ?
    Rather different Rajput/Kshatriya y-haplos of different countries/regions.

    Rajput (Pakistan)-Punjabi?:n=12 Courtesy Kapisa 1k genome project
    R1a-M417=6
    R2a3a=2
    L1a1=1
    H1a1d2c1b1=1
    L1a2=1
    Q1a=1


    H1a is the dominant haplo beside the R-Y7 among us.

    Kshatriya (Nepal)-Khas Chhetri courtesy Poi/gedmatch n=28
    R1a= 4
    R1a-Y7 =7
    R1a-Y6 = 3
    H1a =5
    L1a2-M357 = 2
    J2b2a-M241 = 2
    C-M130=2
    Q1b-L275 =1
    Q1a2-L56 =1
    R2a-L266 =1

    Pahadi Indian Rajputs from Mondal et al 2016 (Jodhpur, Rajasthan) n=7+2
    Sample ID Group Haplogroup (Y) Haplogroup (Mt)
    ERR1812195 RAJPUT C-Y33574 HV26
    ERR1812193 RAJPUT H-FT325242* R30b1b1
    ERR1812190 RAJPUT H-Z34721 U7a3a5b*
    ERR1812198 RAJPUT J-Y253873 U2e1h1a*
    ERR1812189 RAJPUT J-Y3740* M9a1b1*
    ERR1812194 RAJPUT R-YP5633* M3a1-a3*
    ERR1812196 RAJPUT R-YP523* M5a6a*

    +User Dhw Thakur (Jogindernagar, Mandi, Himachal)'s J2a-M410
    and Amit Singh Varaha (Ambota, Una, Himachal)'s Q1b-L275
    Last edited by Kaazi; 10-04-2022 at 01:55 AM.

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    Good thread!

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    Most south Asians holding J2a seem to be upstream
    Target: _Arab
    Distance: 1.5938% / 0.01593837 | R3P
    57.6 TUN_Kerkouane_IA
    32.4 Levant_Baqah_BA
    10.0 COG_Kindoki_230BP

    Itrane model

    Target: _Arab
    Distance: 1.2836% / 0.01283568
    60.0 Berber
    11.2 Sub_saharan
    10.8 Levantine
    10.4 Arabian
    7.6 Egyptian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Couldnt find a separate thread for Y-DNA discussion.




    Rather different Rajput/Kshatriya y-haplos of different countries/regions.

    Rajput (Pakistan)-Punjabi?:n=12 Courtesy Kapisa 1k genome project
    R1a-M417=6
    R2a3a=2
    L1a1=1
    H1a1d2c1b1=1
    L1a2=1
    Q1a=1


    H1a is the dominant haplo beside the R-Y7 among us.

    Kshatriya (Nepal)-Khas Chhetri courtesy Poi/gedmatch
    R1a= 4
    R1a-Y7 =7
    R1a-Y6 = 3
    H1a =5
    L1a2-M357 = 2
    J2b2a-M241 = 2
    C-M130=2
    Q1b-L275 =1
    Q1a2-L56 =1
    R2a-L266 =1

    Pahadi Indian Rajputs from Mondal et al 2016 (Jodhpur, Rajasthan)
    Sample ID Group Haplogroup (Y) Haplogroup (Mt)
    ERR1812195 RAJPUT C-Y33574 HV26
    ERR1812193 RAJPUT H-FT325242* R30b1b1
    ERR1812190 RAJPUT H-Z34721 U7a3a5b*
    ERR1812198 RAJPUT J-Y253873 U2e1h1a*
    ERR1812189 RAJPUT J-Y3740* M9a1b1*
    ERR1812194 RAJPUT R-YP5633* M3a1-a3*
    ERR1812196 RAJPUT R-YP523* M5a6a*

    +User Dhw Thakur (Jogindernagar, Mandi, Himachal)'s J2a-M410
    and Amit Singh Varaha (Ambota, Una, Himachal)'s Q1b-L275
    Interesting results. Khas are mostly Y7. How do you divide Y7 and Y6 among different groups ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Couldnt find a separate thread for Y-DNA discussion.




    Rather different Rajput/Kshatriya y-haplos of different countries/regions.

    Rajput (Pakistan)-Punjabi?:n=12 Courtesy Kapisa 1k genome project
    R1a-M417=6
    R2a3a=2
    L1a1=1
    H1a1d2c1b1=1
    L1a2=1
    Q1a=1


    H1a is the dominant haplo beside the R-Y7 among us.

    Kshatriya (Nepal)-Khas Chhetri courtesy Poi/gedmatch
    R1a= 4
    R1a-Y7 =7
    R1a-Y6 = 3
    H1a =5
    L1a2-M357 = 2
    J2b2a-M241 = 2
    C-M130=2
    Q1b-L275 =1
    Q1a2-L56 =1
    R2a-L266 =1

    Pahadi Indian Rajputs from Mondal et al 2016 (Jodhpur, Rajasthan)
    Sample ID Group Haplogroup (Y) Haplogroup (Mt)
    ERR1812195 RAJPUT C-Y33574 HV26
    ERR1812193 RAJPUT H-FT325242* R30b1b1
    ERR1812190 RAJPUT H-Z34721 U7a3a5b*
    ERR1812198 RAJPUT J-Y253873 U2e1h1a*
    ERR1812189 RAJPUT J-Y3740* M9a1b1*
    ERR1812194 RAJPUT R-YP5633* M3a1-a3*
    ERR1812196 RAJPUT R-YP523* M5a6a*

    +User Dhw Thakur (Jogindernagar, Mandi, Himachal)'s J2a-M410
    and Amit Singh Varaha (Ambota, Una, Himachal)'s Q1b-L275
    Any Chhetri Y7 on YFull?
    So far among the Janjuas in Pakistan there are 2 R-M417 (1 confirmed downstream Y7), 1 R2a, 1 E, 1 L1c, 1 Q1a.
    Last edited by Kapisa; 10-03-2022 at 09:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    Any Chhetri Y7 on YFull?
    So far among the Janjuas in Pakistan there are 2 R-M417 (1 confirmed downstream Y7), 1 R2a, 1 E, 1 L1c, 1 Q1a.
    Wow, you guys have E. R2a, J2 & L1c are very typical in your belt I guess beside R1a; R2a even moreso in the NW Himalayas.

    Chhetris aren't in Yfull but there's 1 Bahun (Sapkota clan -Gulmi/Arghakhanchi districts West Nepal) in Y7 Y-full so far and he's Y7>Y30>Y29>Y944>BY65281 Moreover, I also have Sapkota Chhetri kins, same haplo is expected.


    Quote Originally Posted by Yamdut View Post
    Interesting results. Khas are mostly Y7. How do you divide Y7 and Y6 among different groups ?
    No, I don't divide it; some tested deeper while some didn't. Eventually, all those upstream haplos will join Y6 & Y7. Not every Khas are Y7 dominant. Brahmin Khas are equal in Y7 & Y6 w/o any Z2123.

    Brahmin (Nepal) - Khas Bahun (n=152) courtesy Poi
    R1a =36
    R1a-Y7 =23
    R1a-Y6 =23
    R2a-L266 =22
    J2-M172 =18
    C-M130 =13
    H1a-M69 =10
    O =3
    Q =2
    D =1
    N =1
    Total 152

    Pie chart here
     


    Bahuns are way high R2a (like Dogras) compared to Chhetris but lack 'L' even in a group of 152 samples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Wow, you guys have E. R2a, J2 & L1c are very typical in your belt I guess beside R1a; R2a even moreso in the NW Himalayas.

    Chhetris aren't in Yfull but there's 1 Bahun (Sapkota clan -Gulmi/Arghakhanchi districts West Nepal) in Y7 Y-full so far and he's Y7>Y30>Y29>Y944>BY65281




    No, I don't divide it; some tested deeper while some didn't. Eventually, all those upstream haplos will join Y6 & Y7. Not every Khas are Y7 dominant. Brahmin Khas are equal in Y7 & Y6 w/o any Z2123.

    Brahmin (Nepal) - Khas Bahun (n=152) courtesy Poi
    R1a =36
    R1a-Y7 =23
    R1a-Y6 =23
    R2a-L266 =22
    J2-M172 =18
    C-M130 =13
    H1a-M69 =10
    O =3
    Q =2
    D =1
    N =1
    Total 152

    Pie chart here
     
    Is there any Bahun on Y2568*?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Is there any Bahun on Y2568*?
    Not so far. Only Poi and Sapkota guy among L657 are tested deeper and Poi is on Y6>Y920>BY160158 while Sapkota is on Y944>BY65281. Are you also on Y2568?


    But if you ask me which clan will probably get there. Gautam (all Y7), Adhikari, Neupane, Aryal or Poudel can get there and Y-DNA distribution are appearing clan-wise so far. Modern Rukum district (Eastern Khas belt) in the medieval times had only 2 Khas clans (Sapkota, Gautam) and both are Y7 so far. So, some regions could be skewed towards Y7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Not so far. Only Poi and Sapkota guy among L657 are tested deeper and Poi is on Y6>Y920>BY160158 while Sapkota is on Y944>BY65281. Are you also on Y2568?


    But if you ask me which clan will probably get there. Gautam (all Y7), Adhikari, Neupane, Aryal or Poudel can get there and Y-DNA distribution are appearing clan-wise so far. Modern Rukum district (Eastern Khas belt) in the medieval times had only 2 Khas clans (Sapkota, Gautam) and both are Y7 so far. So, some regions could be skewed towards Y7.
    Yea me and Kapisa are both Y2568*. He has tested further than that, I haven't yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
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    Bahuns are way high R2a (like Dogras) compared to Chhetris but lack 'L' even in a group of 152 samples.
    That is the case for much of eastern India too - L is present but sporadic. Considering the strong presence of L in Swat valley - quite surprising.

    "The near absence of L lineages within the IE speakers from Bihar (0%), Orissa (0%), and West Bengal (1.5%) ..."
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1347984/


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