Y-DNA in South Asia

[Kaazi]

Couldnt find a separate thread for Y-DNA discussion.

An interesting sample considering its neu vs caucasus ratio, high neu despite elevated SI and low caucasus. Do you have idea of haplogroups of different Rajput clans ?

Rather different Rajput/Kshatriya y-haplos of different countries/regions.

Rajput (Pakistan)-Punjabi?:n=12 Courtesy Kapisa 1k genome project
R1a-M417=6
R2a3a=2
L1a1=1
H1a1d2c1b1=1
L1a2=1
Q1a=1


H1a is the dominant haplo beside the R-Y7 among us.

Kshatriya (Nepal)-Khas Chhetri courtesy Poi/gedmatch n=28
R1a= 4
R1a-Y7 =7
R1a-Y6 = 3
H1a =5
L1a2-M357 = 2
J2b2a-M241 = 2
C-M130=2
Q1b-L275 =1
Q1a2-L56 =1
R2a-L266 =1

Pahadi Indian Rajputs from Mondal et al 2016 (Jodhpur, Rajasthan) n=7+2

Sample ID	Group	Haplogroup (Y)	Haplogroup (Mt)
ERR1812195	RAJPUT	C-Y33574	HV26
ERR1812193	RAJPUT	H-FT325242*	R30b1b1
ERR1812190	RAJPUT	H-Z34721	U7a3a5b*
ERR1812198	RAJPUT	J-Y253873	U2e1h1a*
ERR1812189	RAJPUT	J-Y3740*	M9a1b1*
ERR1812194	RAJPUT	R-YP5633*	M3a1-a3*
ERR1812196	RAJPUT	R-YP523*	M5a6a*

+User Dhw Thakur (Jogindernagar, Mandi, Himachal)'s J2a-M410
and Amit Singh Varaha (Ambota, Una, Himachal)'s Q1b-L275

[J Man]

Good thread!

[Gentica277282]

Most south Asians holding J2a seem to be upstream

[Yamdut]

Couldnt find a separate thread for Y-DNA discussion.




Rather different Rajput/Kshatriya y-haplos of different countries/regions.

Rajput (Pakistan)-Punjabi?:n=12 Courtesy Kapisa 1k genome project
R1a-M417=6
R2a3a=2
L1a1=1
H1a1d2c1b1=1
L1a2=1
Q1a=1


H1a is the dominant haplo beside the R-Y7 among us.

Kshatriya (Nepal)-Khas Chhetri courtesy Poi/gedmatch
R1a= 4
R1a-Y7 =7
R1a-Y6 = 3
H1a =5
L1a2-M357 = 2
J2b2a-M241 = 2
C-M130=2
Q1b-L275 =1
Q1a2-L56 =1
R2a-L266 =1

Pahadi Indian Rajputs from Mondal et al 2016 (Jodhpur, Rajasthan)

Sample ID	Group	Haplogroup (Y)	Haplogroup (Mt)
ERR1812195	RAJPUT	C-Y33574	HV26
ERR1812193	RAJPUT	H-FT325242*	R30b1b1
ERR1812190	RAJPUT	H-Z34721	U7a3a5b*
ERR1812198	RAJPUT	J-Y253873	U2e1h1a*
ERR1812189	RAJPUT	J-Y3740*	M9a1b1*
ERR1812194	RAJPUT	R-YP5633*	M3a1-a3*
ERR1812196	RAJPUT	R-YP523*	M5a6a*

+User Dhw Thakur (Jogindernagar, Mandi, Himachal)'s J2a-M410
and Amit Singh Varaha (Ambota, Una, Himachal)'s Q1b-L275

Interesting results. Khas are mostly Y7. How do you divide Y7 and Y6 among different groups ?

[Kapisa]

Couldnt find a separate thread for Y-DNA discussion.




Rather different Rajput/Kshatriya y-haplos of different countries/regions.

Rajput (Pakistan)-Punjabi?:n=12 Courtesy Kapisa 1k genome project
R1a-M417=6
R2a3a=2
L1a1=1
H1a1d2c1b1=1
L1a2=1
Q1a=1


H1a is the dominant haplo beside the R-Y7 among us.

Kshatriya (Nepal)-Khas Chhetri courtesy Poi/gedmatch
R1a= 4
R1a-Y7 =7
R1a-Y6 = 3
H1a =5
L1a2-M357 = 2
J2b2a-M241 = 2
C-M130=2
Q1b-L275 =1
Q1a2-L56 =1
R2a-L266 =1

Pahadi Indian Rajputs from Mondal et al 2016 (Jodhpur, Rajasthan)

Sample ID	Group	Haplogroup (Y)	Haplogroup (Mt)
ERR1812195	RAJPUT	C-Y33574	HV26
ERR1812193	RAJPUT	H-FT325242*	R30b1b1
ERR1812190	RAJPUT	H-Z34721	U7a3a5b*
ERR1812198	RAJPUT	J-Y253873	U2e1h1a*
ERR1812189	RAJPUT	J-Y3740*	M9a1b1*
ERR1812194	RAJPUT	R-YP5633*	M3a1-a3*
ERR1812196	RAJPUT	R-YP523*	M5a6a*

+User Dhw Thakur (Jogindernagar, Mandi, Himachal)'s J2a-M410
and Amit Singh Varaha (Ambota, Una, Himachal)'s Q1b-L275

Any Chhetri Y7 on YFull?
So far among the Janjuas in Pakistan there are 2 R-M417 (1 confirmed downstream Y7), 1 R2a, 1 E, 1 L1c, 1 Q1a.

[Kaazi]

Any Chhetri Y7 on YFull?
So far among the Janjuas in Pakistan there are 2 R-M417 (1 confirmed downstream Y7), 1 R2a, 1 E, 1 L1c, 1 Q1a.

Wow, you guys have E. R2a, J2 & L1c are very typical in your belt I guess beside R1a; R2a even moreso in the NW Himalayas.

Chhetris aren't in Yfull but there's 1 Bahun (Sapkota clan -Gulmi/Arghakhanchi districts West Nepal) in Y7 Y-full so far and he's Y7>Y30>Y29>Y944>BY65281 Moreover, I also have Sapkota Chhetri kins, same haplo is expected.

Interesting results. Khas are mostly Y7. How do you divide Y7 and Y6 among different groups ?

No, I don't divide it; some tested deeper while some didn't. Eventually, all those upstream haplos will join Y6 & Y7. Not every Khas are Y7 dominant. Brahmin Khas are equal in Y7 & Y6 w/o any Z2123.

Brahmin (Nepal) - Khas Bahun (n=152) courtesy Poi
R1a =36
R1a-Y7 =23
R1a-Y6 =23
R2a-L266 =22
J2-M172 =18
C-M130 =13
H1a-M69 =10
O =3
Q =2
D =1
N =1
Total 152

Pie chart here

 

Bahuns are way high R2a (like Dogras) compared to Chhetris but lack 'L' even in a group of 152 samples.

[MonkeyDLuffy]

Wow, you guys have E. R2a, J2 & L1c are very typical in your belt I guess beside R1a; R2a even moreso in the NW Himalayas.

Chhetris aren't in Yfull but there's 1 Bahun (Sapkota clan -Gulmi/Arghakhanchi districts West Nepal) in Y7 Y-full so far and he's Y7>Y30>Y29>Y944>BY65281




No, I don't divide it; some tested deeper while some didn't. Eventually, all those upstream haplos will join Y6 & Y7. Not every Khas are Y7 dominant. Brahmin Khas are equal in Y7 & Y6 w/o any Z2123.

Brahmin (Nepal) - Khas Bahun (n=152) courtesy Poi
R1a =36
R1a-Y7 =23
R1a-Y6 =23
R2a-L266 =22
J2-M172 =18
C-M130 =13
H1a-M69 =10
O =3
Q =2
D =1
N =1
Total 152

Pie chart here

 

Is there any Bahun on Y2568*?

[Kaazi]

Is there any Bahun on Y2568*?

Not so far. Only Poi and Sapkota guy among L657 are tested deeper and Poi is on Y6>Y920>BY160158 while Sapkota is on Y944>BY65281. Are you also on Y2568?


But if you ask me which clan will probably get there. Gautam (all Y7), Adhikari, Neupane, Aryal or Poudel can get there and Y-DNA distribution are appearing clan-wise so far. Modern Rukum district (Eastern Khas belt) in the medieval times had only 2 Khas clans (Sapkota, Gautam) and both are Y7 so far. So, some regions could be skewed towards Y7.

[MonkeyDLuffy]

Not so far. Only Poi and Sapkota guy among L657 are tested deeper and Poi is on Y6>Y920>BY160158 while Sapkota is on Y944>BY65281. Are you also on Y2568?


But if you ask me which clan will probably get there. Gautam (all Y7), Adhikari, Neupane, Aryal or Poudel can get there and Y-DNA distribution are appearing clan-wise so far. Modern Rukum district (Eastern Khas belt) in the medieval times had only 2 Khas clans (Sapkota, Gautam) and both are Y7 so far. So, some regions could be skewed towards Y7.

Yea me and Kapisa are both Y2568*. He has tested further than that, I haven't yet.

[parasar]

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Bahuns are way high R2a (like Dogras) compared to Chhetris but lack 'L' even in a group of 152 samples.

That is the case for much of eastern India too - L is present but sporadic. Considering the strong presence of L in Swat valley - quite surprising.

"The near absence of L lineages within the IE speakers from Bihar (0%), Orissa (0%), and West Bengal (1.5%) ..."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1347984/