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    R-Z2124
    Dhurwa=1/5
    Gujjar(Pak)=5/20
    ITU=3/14
    Khatri=1/5
    Pathan=5/9
    Sindhi(Pak)=2/9
    SouthIndian=4/6
    UrbanBangalore=1/22
    UrbanChennai=1/24

    R-M417
    Brahui=2/11
    Chamar=1/5
    Gujjar(Pak)=8/20
    Indian=1/11
    ITU=2/14
    Iyer=2/6
    KayaDora=1/6
    Khatri=3/5
    Mahar=3/12
    Mog=1/11
    Pathan(pak)=2/9
    Rajput(pak)=6/12
    RanaTharu=1/7
    SuryapuriBrahmin=4/6
    Sindhi(pak)=1/9
    SouthIndian=2/6
    UrbanBangalore=4/22
    UrbanChennai=4/24
    WestBengalBrahmin=6/10

    L1a2
    Brahui=1/11
    Rajput=1/12
    STU=1/5

    L1a1
    Gujjar=1/20
    Indian=4/11
    ITU=1/14
    Iyanger=2/5
    Iyer=1/6
    Lambada=1/6
    Mahar=1/12
    Pathan=1/9
    Rajput=1/12
    UrbanBangalore=6/22
    UrbanChennai=3/24

    Q1a
    KHV=2/14.
    Lambada=2/6
    Rajput(pak)=1/12
    Sindhi(pak)=1/9
    UrbanChennai=1/24

    Q1b2
    Hazara=1/19

    R1b1a1a2a2
    Agharia=2/7
    Brahui=1/11
    Lambada=3/6

    R2a
    Brahui=2/11
    Burusho=1/11; (2/11 H1a1d2;1/11 J2a1; 3/11 J2b2)
    Dhurwa=1/5
    Gujjar=1/20. (3/20 H1a1d2; 2/20 J2a)
    ITU=3/14
    Lodha=2/6
    Rajput(pak)=2/12
    SuryapuriBrahmin=2/6
    STU=1/5
    UrbanBangalore=2/22
    UrbanChennai=5/24
    WestBengalBrahmin=4/10

    E1b
    Pathan(pak)=1/9

    G2a2b2a
    Iyer=1/6
    Mahar=1/12

    GenomeAsia project. Supplementary table S3d
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/
    Last edited by Kapisa; 10-05-2022 at 04:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Are these new samples or some reanalyzed old samples? The Arpad study reanalyzed Afghan/Central Asian samples from an old study but only the Z2123 ones and theoretically someone could reanalyze the others for L657 what would really help us a lot
    I just saw this study posted

    https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4425/13/10/1776/htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    Thats the oldest one so far in the region isn't it? What is the dating for Areni-C?
    Yes NEO310, Monjukli-Depe, Turkmenistan, 6550 ybp is the oldest so far.


    AR1/44 (I1634): 4330-4060 calBCE (OxA-19331, 536631 bp). Early Late Chalcolithic (Horizon
    III), Burial 2, age 112.5 years.


    AR1/46 (I1632): 4230-4000 calBCE (OxA-18599, 528529 bp). Early Late Chalcolithic (Horizon
    III), Burial 3, age 152.5 years.


    ARE12 (I1407): Middle Late Chalcolithic (Horizon II), Trench 2A, Unit 7, Square S33/T33, Locus
    9, Spit 23 - tooth sampled.



    I1407: L1a
    This individual was derived for mutations P329, M27, M76 defining haplogroup L1a, as well
    as upstream mutations defining haplogroup L1 (L656, L1304) and L (L863, L878, M61). No
    calls were made for SNPs downstream of L1a, thus it is placed in haplogroup L1a.
    I1632: L1a
    This individual was derived for mutations P329, M27, M76 defining haplogroup L1a, as well
    as upstream mutations defining haplogroup L1 (L656, M22, L1304) and L (L878, M185,
    M61). No calls were made for SNPs downstream of L1a, thus it is placed in haplogroup L1a.
    I1634: L1a
    This individual was derived for mutations P329, M27 defining haplogroup L1a, as well as an
    upstream mutation defining haplogroup L1 (L656) and L (L878, M185, M11, M61, L855).
    No calls were made for SNPs downstream of L1a, thus it is placed in haplogroup L1a.

    "All three males from this population belong to Y-chromosome haplogroup L1a-M27/P329.
    The M27 mutation is common in South Asian haplogroup L Y-chromosomes1,2, but was
    absent in a survey of Y-chromosomes from Anatolia3. Haplogroup L occurs at a very low~2% frequency in present-day Armenians4 Our results indicate that it was present in
    Chalcolithic Armenia, but the fact that all three Chalcolithic Armenians belonged to it should
    not be necessarily interpreted as evidence that it was common there, as our samples are from a
    single location (Areni-1 cave) and may represent a local founder population."
    https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...re19310-s4.pdf

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    Who are Suryapuri Brahmins and Lambada/Lambadi people? Where are they mostly found in South Asia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    Who are Suryapuri Brahmins and Lambada/Lambadi people? Where are they mostly found in South Asia?
    I have not heard about Suryapuri Brahmins but I believe you may be referring to Saryupareen Brahmins? They are mainly found in the eastern Gangetic plains (East UP and Bihar).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    Who are Suryapuri Brahmins and Lambada/Lambadi people? Where are they mostly found in South Asia?
    Lambadi are Banjaras/nomads. Spread across South-central Indian provinces but have their origins in Southern Rajasthan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Wow, you guys have E. R2a, J2 & L1c are very typical in your belt I guess beside R1a; R2a even moreso in the NW Himalayas.

    Chhetris aren't in Yfull but there's 1 Bahun (Sapkota clan -Gulmi/Arghakhanchi districts West Nepal) in Y7 Y-full so far and he's Y7>Y30>Y29>Y944>BY65281 Moreover, I also have Sapkota Chhetri kins, same haplo is expected.




    No, I don't divide it; some tested deeper while some didn't. Eventually, all those upstream haplos will join Y6 & Y7. Not every Khas are Y7 dominant. Brahmin Khas are equal in Y7 & Y6 w/o any Z2123.

    Brahmin (Nepal) - Khas Bahun (n=152) courtesy Poi
    R1a =36
    R1a-Y7 =23
    R1a-Y6 =23
    R2a-L266 =22
    J2-M172 =18
    C-M130 =13
    H1a-M69 =10
    O =3
    Q =2
    D =1
    N =1
    Total 152

    Pie chart here
     


    Bahuns are way high R2a (like Dogras) compared to Chhetris but lack 'L' even in a group of 152 samples.
    There is one E-L677 from potohar.

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    Y: H1a1a4b3b1a8 Yfull id-> YF83218
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamdut View Post
    R1a-z2123 is generally rare among Indo-Aryans of North India. Brahmins are mostly dominated by Y6 lineage and Jats(Possibly Rors too) are dominated by Y7 lineages. Though, one Khokhar from Punjab had R1a-z2123 lineage.
    Kalash are Indo-Aryan but their population is small and limited to a smaller extreme point. Kalash also have higher frequency of haplogroup G which is not prominent among most indo-Aryan except some South Indian Brahmins. Though dominant Kalah lineage L1a2 is found among Rors and Jats.
    Y6, Y7 and Z2123 are all present in the same population from Afghanistan to South India. Yeah the frequencies can be very different and it seems South Indians have more basal and rare clades compared to Brahmins, which Y-DNA is obviously more bottlenecked with many founder effects. But so far i don't see a strong geographic or ethno-linguistic pattern to link Y6, Y7 or Indo-Aryan Z2123 with specific Indo-Aryan migrations or ancient cultures (we also lack ancient dna for this). I actually think Z2123 was more common in BA/EIA Indo-Aryans than today who likely became so L657-rich after various founder effects around 1000 B.C (likely in Afghanistan and Punjab/Haryana)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Y6, Y7 and Z2123 are all present in the same population from Afghanistan to South India. Yeah the frequencies can be very different and it seems South Indians have more basal and rare clades compared to Brahmins, which Y-DNA is obviously more bottlenecked with many founder effects. But so far i don't see a strong geographic or ethno-linguistic pattern to link Y6, Y7 or Indo-Aryan Z2123 with specific Indo-Aryan migrations or ancient cultures (we also lack ancient dna for this). I actually think Z2123 was more common in BA/EIA Indo-Aryans than today who likely became so L657-rich after various founder effects around 1000 B.C (likely in Afghanistan and Punjab/Haryana)
    Considering, thousands of years have passed, it shouldn't be surprising that multiple founder events and bottle-neck events have had effected haplogroup frequencies in South Asian people groups. I concur further that some of the rare haplogroups today like Z2123, Z94 in and those I2s in Swat, might have been higher in frequency in the earliest Indo-Aryans. We just need more ancient DNA from potential archeological sites still upsampled in Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.

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