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    Question Do Western Poles have any recent German admixture?

    G25 coordinates of 9 native West Polish samples, do you think they have any recent German admixture?:

    [first 8 samples are real G25 coordinates and the last one is simulated from K36]

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    PL_54°41′N_17°21′E_Slovincian,0.137726,0.141159,0.073161,0.059432,0.047701,0.021753,0.012456,0.011076,-0.004295,-0.02442,-0.00747,-0.001349,0.006838,0.023533,-0.006379,-0.005038,-0.00678,0.000507,0.00905,-0.006003,-0.004367,-0.003833,0.001725,0.001807,0.000239
    PL_54°9′N_18°0′E_Kashubian,0.133173,0.12491,0.07995,0.067184,0.045547,0.023148,0.00282,0.014076,0.000205,-0.024966,0.000487,-0.005845,0.016353,0.018441,0.00095,-0.009944,-0.017602,-0.002914,0.003771,0.004252,0.001248,-0.008285,0.008627,-0.000723,-0.002155
    PL_53°48′N_18°17′E_Kociewie,0.126344,0.121864,0.07203,0.058786,0.037545,0.023148,0.013866,0.004615,-0.000205,-0.018588,-0.004709,-0.004046,0.002973,0.010184,-0.003664,0.010607,0.022687,0.002027,0.005279,0.007003,-0.003119,-0.00643,0.013064,0.00012,-0.001916
    PL_52°44′N_16°00′E_Notec_Forest_region,0.137726,0.13405,0.07467,0.062339,0.046778,0.027052,0.009635,0.00923,-0.002863,-0.017677,-0.005846,-0.01109,0.007879,0.017478,-0.007329,0.005304,0.002738,0.003801,0.000126,0.001626,0.00287,0.001731,0.00037,-0.005784,0.002515
    PL_52°37′N_18°10′E_Kuyavia,0.125205,0.13405,0.071653,0.04845,0.039392,0.021753,0.00517,0.009461,0.003272,-0.014032,-0.010718,-0.006744,0.011298,0.018166,-0.002579,0.003713,0.000391,-0.00038,0.001885,-0.003877,-0.009608,0.001607,0.002218,0.000964,-0.005269
    PL_51°49′N_17°27′E_Kozmin_Wlkp,0.12862,0.137096,0.061471,0.053295,0.044316,0.018686,0.00799,0.009692,0.001023,-0.017495,-0.002111,-0.004646,0.010852,0.016377,-0.006515,-0.012066,-0.009257,0.004054,0.000754,-0.005753,-0.004866,0.001237,0.002342,0.001205,-0.002155
    PL_51°34′N_17°40′E_Odolanow,0.135449,0.13405,0.067127,0.057817,0.044008,0.022869,0.008695,0.013615,0.002659,-0.017495,-0.003085,-0.001049,0.01442,0.021882,-0.00665,0.008221,0.00339,-0.002154,0.004902,5e-04,-0.003868,-0.006306,0.005546,0.002289,-0.002275
    PL_50°30′N_18°17′E_Silesian,0.129758,0.129988,0.067127,0.05491,0.03693,0.023427,0.006345,0.014999,0.000205,-0.014943,-0.00341,-0.001349,0.006244,0.012524,-0.002172,0.004508,0.024121,-0.002534,-0.008296,0.003502,-0.002496,-0.007666,0.00419,0.011809,-0.003233
    PL_50°15′N_19°01′E_Silesian_simulated,0.1321959,0.1283217,0.0686638,0.0515452,0.0400457,0.0189262,0.0087155,0.0110174,0.0032271,-0.0115795,-0.0026871,-0.0052869,0.0105712,0.0112159,-0.0091517,0.0005233,0.0040529,-0.0009118,0.0012264,-0.0011446,-0.0040706,-0.0008913,0.0032345,-0.0011953,-0.0013608


    I'm also Western Polish so here are my coordinates for comparison with the other 9 samples:

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    Tomenable_scaled,0.133173,0.140143,0.065619,0.058463,0.033852,0.022869,0.006815,0.009923,0.000409,-0.018041,-0.003897,-0.001798,0.010109,0.00867,-0.007465,-0.000133,0.002999,0.0019,-0.00088,-0.001251,-0.009982,-0.000742,0.006409,0.006145,-0.002874
    Is our Germanic admixture ancient or more recent?
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    We can also compare to Lower Sorbian coordinates from the official datasheet:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wZr...b8y/view?pli=1

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    Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.130897,0.137096,0.068636,0.056848,0.050779,0.021196,0.011281,0.011076,-0.003477,-0.017312,-0.002111,-0.006744,0.013082,0.017891,-0.008415,0.001061,0.008475,-0.006208,0.007039,-0.004127,-0.003369,-0.007543,0.008011,-0.004458,0.001197

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    Interesting, on PCA I'm between Kociewie and Kashubian.

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    Do you have some East Polish samples, to compare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariusz95 View Post
    Do you have some East Polish samples, to compare?
    Here a Mazovian (North-East Polish) for comparison:

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    Mazovian1_scaled,0.129758,0.125926,0.061471,0.071706,0.040315,0.026216,0.010575,0.014999,-0.010226,-0.022597,-0.009581,-0.009442,0.016204,0.012111,-0.009772,-0.006762,0.008605,-0.000507,0.004274,0.00075,-0.003369,-0.009398,0.014913,0.003012,-0.005269
    User bolek from this forum is also East Polish but I don't know if he did G25.

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    I used simulated Mazovian:

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    I used simulated Mazovian
    Instead of simulated you can try the real one, which I posted above.

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    Notec sample is the only one
     
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    BTW it is interesting that Slovincian, Kashubian & Kociewie are not very similar to each other despite geographical proximity (54°41′N_17°21′E and 54°9′N_18°0′E and 53°48′N_18°17′E).

    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    Notec sample is the only one
    The only one... ???
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