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Thread: AG and The Apricity single ethnicity members' G25 coords in the North Europe PCA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaring View Post
    Simulated.
    The first Russian_North is very Mordovian-like. Is he ethnically Russian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticGerman View Post
    Isabelle is related to the three others and has an Italian father and is 23% Burgundy and 25% Vendée (maybe)
    Is her Italian side from Central Italy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Is her Italian side from Central Italy?
    No, it's above all Northern Italy
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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    The first Russian_North is very Mordovian-like. Is he ethnically Russian?
    Mordovian-like on PCA? She's my grandma, half Tver oblast' half south shore of Ladoga lake. So she got a lot of Finnic, but none Mordovian that i know of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaring View Post
    Mordovian-like on PCA? She's my grandma, half Tver oblast' half south shore of Ladoga lake. So she got a lot of Finnic, but none Mordovian that i know of.
    Okay, thanks. Russian_Kostroma is plotting close to it as well and the second closest Russian group is then Russian_Tver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaring View Post
    Mordovian-like on PCA? She's my grandma, half Tver oblast' half south shore of Ladoga lake. So she got a lot of Finnic, but none Mordovian that i know of.
    Tver area, if related to the Karelian immigrants of the 17th century and southern shore of the Lake Ladoga may indeed look quite (East) Finnish but what I've noticed just by looking at my own results some samples of the Kostroma area and even Mordva may get relatively close to that combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huck Finn View Post
    Tver area, if related to the Karelian immigrants of the 17th century and southern shore of the Lake Ladoga may indeed look quite (East) Finnish but what I've noticed just by looking at my own results some samples of the Kostroma area and even Mordva may get relatively close to that combination.
    Yeah, i don't know much about her Tver side, but i suspect that some Finnic may come from that side aswell. Her fist cousin is seond Russian North result (simulated) and she doesn't score significantly more finnish, although she's full native of Ladogan side. Syasstroy area to be exact.

    As for similarity with Mordvins, i guess it's mainly because of lack of Finnish component in G25.

    Here is my grandma and her cousin K36




    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 0.82 Pct
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 5.34 Pct
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 5.27 Pct
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 18.51 Pct
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 17.96 Pct
    Fennoscandian 33.35 Pct
    French 3.68 Pct
    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian -
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 0.8 Pct
    North_Caucasian 0.16 Pct
    North_Sea 9.68 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian 0.54 Pct
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian 0.05 Pct
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 3.82 Pct
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med -
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    Population
    Amerindian 0.33 Pct
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 1.01 Pct
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 3.12 Pct
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 5.78 Pct
    East_Central_Asian 0.36 Pct
    East_Central_Euro 11.72 Pct
    East_Med 1.09 Pct
    Eastern_Euro 20.17 Pct
    Fennoscandian 35.83 Pct
    French 1.67 Pct
    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian -
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 3.2 Pct
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 9.12 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian 0.83 Pct
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian 1.03 Pct
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 3.7 Pct
    West_African 0.53 Pct
    West_Caucasian 0.5 Pct
    West_Med -
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    The Gulf of Finland-Volga waterway was once inhabited by tribes speaking different West Uralic dialects/languages and the linguistic continuum is still to some extent also visible in the DNA. My closest match in terms of G25 is Vepsian34:

    0.01955912 Vepsian:vepsa34
    0.02416801 Vepsian:vepsa1
    0.02567213 Karelian:karelia1
    0.02653658 Karelian:Karelia11
    0.02655405 Karelian:karelia3
    0.02703038 Karelian:Karelia16
    0.02742835 Karelian:KAR-034
    0.02751228 Karelian:Karelia10
    0.02805039 Finnish_East:HG00187
    0.02813729 Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-143
    0.02818310 Finnish_East:HG00361
    0.02824323 Karelian:karelia7
    0.02830600 Finnish_East:HG00176
    0.02850471 Karelian:karelia2
    0.02869354 Finnish_Southeast:HG00188
    0.02894404 Karelian:karelia8
    0.02903517 Karelian:KAR-046
    0.02962476 Finnish_Southeast:HG00284
    0.02974794 Ingrian:GS000017197
    0.02977943 Vepsian:vepsa10
    0.03009832 Karelian:Karelia15
    0.03038729 Karelian:KAR-005
    0.03079790 Russian_Pinega:RusPinega1
    0.03102281 Finnish_East:HG00290
    0.03131308 Vepsian:vepsa59

    Roaring's grandma BTW apparently almost would have make it to the list:

    0.03898774 Russian_North
    0.04212292 Russian_North
    0.05274357 Russian_Siberia
    0.05795736 Russian_Central
    0.06209789 Russian_NW

    Vepsa34, on the other hand, already matches with a Kostroma sample, besides a Mordvinic speaker:

    0.02153784 Finnish_East:HG00187
    0.02214883 Karelian:karelia3
    0.02351894 Vepsian:vepsa1
    0.02531316 Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-248
    0.02601665 Vepsian:vepsa10
    0.02616911 Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-143
    0.02634774 Karelian:Karelia10
    0.02657505 Karelian:karelia1
    0.02717106 Finnish_East:HG00361
    0.02717675 Finnish_Southeast:HG00188
    0.02732870 Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-203
    0.02815818 Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr138
    0.02839373 Finnish_East:HG00176
    0.02840561 Karelian:Karelia16
    0.02853089 Russian_Pinega:RusPinega1
    0.02871103 Karelian:KAR-046
    0.02871448 Karelian:karelia8
    0.02906515 Karelian:Karelia15
    0.02928495 Vepsian:KAR-056
    0.02992591 Karelian:karelia7
    0.03045330 Karelian:Karelia11
    0.03051106 Finnish_East:HG00290
    0.03065816 Karelian:KAR-034
    0.03081157 Erzya:MOE-010
    0.03088087 Finnish_East:HG00182

    Syasstroi i.e. old Sääsjoki i.e. Sääs-river area was once Vepsian speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huck Finn View Post
    Tver area, if related to the Karelian immigrants of the 17th century and southern shore of the Lake Ladoga may indeed look quite (East) Finnish but what I've noticed just by looking at my own results some samples of the Kostroma area and even Mordva may get relatively close to that combination.
    Davidsky modelled me as 85% Latvian 15% Russian Kostroma.
    And Standard_Ape as having some 10-15% Mordvin. Even if I had 0 Mordvins in my family tree (100% Latgale, East Latvia), but I have (part of) roots in NE Latvia which could be the reason. It was home of Ochela Chudes (Adzele/Agesele Chuds).
    So maybe some Mordvin like genes made it as far West as NE Latvia.

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