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  1. #11
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    Colonial American
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    aDNA Match (1st)
    VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK207
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-U152 >R-FTA96415
    mtDNA (M)
    J1b1a1a
    Y-DNA (M)
    I2-P37 > I-BY77146
    mtDNA (P)
    H

    United States of America Scotland England Netherlands
    R code. Secondary PCA of the samples and then clustering of the distances with an arbitrary selection of k=10.

    Based on the code of Nganasankhan.

    Highly recommend studying his code and techniques.

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....Dprcomp%28t%29

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....Dprcomp%28t%29

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....Dprcomp%28t%29

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....Dprcomp%28t%29
    Last edited by PLogan; 11-19-2022 at 08:17 PM.

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  3. #12
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    I19909: Middle Iron Age Briton
    aDNA Match (2nd)
    I0160: Iron Age Briton
    aDNA Match (3rd)
    I20627: Middle Iron Age Briton
    Y-DNA (P)
    G-CTS4803

    United States of America
    Interesting how much closer the Alsatian average is to the French weighted average than the German average, and also that over 20% of the German individuals (16 of 79) are closer to the French weighted average than the German average.

    Distance to: French_Alsace
    0.01396835 France_weighted_avg
    0.02278680 German

    My result:
    Distance to: TL_scaled
    0.01881784 Scottish
    0.01902716 English
    0.02112884 Irish
    0.02254339 Dutch
    0.02351848 Icelandic
    0.02376747 Danish
    0.02510540 Norwegian
    0.02932456 German
    0.02932816 Swedish
    0.04256967 Austrian
    0.04516154 France_weighted_avg
    0.04611738 Czech
    0.04980943 Hungarian
    0.05525594 Slovenian
    0.05718382 Croatian
    0.06081816 Slovakian
    0.06480438 Polish
    0.06663686 Bosnian
    0.06842751 Moldovan
    0.06874576 Montenegrin
    0.06957574 Ukraine_avg
    0.07039524 Serbian
    0.07428354 Romanian
    0.07651173 Spanish_avg
    0.08115920 Belarusian

    Target: TL_scaled
    Distance: 1.8315% / 0.01831479
    51.6 English
    33.4 Scottish
    8.0 Swedish
    6.6 Icelandic
    0.4 Norwegian
    Last edited by lehmannt; 11-19-2022 at 08:56 PM.
    Paper Trail: 37.5% England and Colonial America, 37.5% Ireland, 12.5% Sweden, 11% Alsace (distant Switzerland), 1.5% SW Germany

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  5. #13
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    Groningen
    Ethnicity
    Friso-Saxon
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    NL
    Y-DNA (P)
    E-V22
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1bU106/ DF96

    Netherlands
    Thanks Xerxez,

    My private result:


    Last edited by Finn; 11-19-2022 at 10:39 PM.

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  7. #14
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    5,439
    Sex
    Location
    Laurentia
    Ethnicity
    80% Brit/Irish, 19% N Eur
    Nationality
    AMCIT
    aDNA Match (1st)
    GRO010 Groningen, Netherlands 0.0199
    aDNA Match (2nd)
    HAD009 Cambridgeshire 0.0205
    aDNA Match (3rd)
    SWG008 Schleswig-Holstein 0.0213
    Y-DNA (P)
    U152>L2>Z49>Z142>
    mtDNA (M)
    H1bt
    Y-DNA (M)
    I2a2a1b2a1b1>Y4925
    mtDNA (P)
    H37

    England Scotland Wales Germany Palatinate Ireland Leinster Sweden Finns
    Me

    Distance to: Mitchell_scaled
    0.01574125 Scottish
    0.01650065 Dutch
    0.01726285 Irish
    0.01745116 English
    0.01785504 Danish
    0.02007365 Icelandic
    0.02265743 Norwegian
    0.02462293 German
    0.02550027 Swedish
    0.03816683 Austrian
    0.04211008 Czech
    0.04559005 France_weighted_avg
    0.04604119 Hungarian

    The following donít really match my actual ancestry
    Mitchell_scaled
    Distance: 1.3754% / 0.01375428
    52.2 Irish
    24.4 Icelandic
    8.0 Swedish
    6.8 Slovakian
    5.2 Dutch
    3.4 Cypriot


    Mitchell_scaled
    Distance: 1.3776% / 0.01377581 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    49.4 Irish
    29.0 Icelandic
    8.4 Slovakian
    8.2 Dutch
    3.0 Cypriot
    2.0 Scottish

    Mitchell_scaled
    Distance: 1.4432% / 0.01443175 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    48.0 Irish
    22.8 Dutch
    15.6 German
    13.6 Danish

    Mitchell_scaled
    Distance: 1.5003% / 0.01500263 | ADC: 1x RC
    59.0 Scottish
    41.0 Dutch
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 11-19-2022 at 11:18 PM.
    Y dna continued: Z142>Z150>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    80% Brit/Ir-ish
    35% English/14% Welsh/15% Scot/11% Ulster Scot/5% Irish
    14% German/3% Scandi-Finn/2% French & Dutch/1% India

    Be more concerned about seeking the truth than winning an argument.

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  9. #15
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    Ethnicity
    English/French
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    American
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1a>L664>YP943
    mtDNA (M)
    H4a1
    Y-DNA (M)
    J-M172

    United States of America Franco-Ontarian Denmark Switzerland France Norfolk
    Target: b
    Distance: 2.5330% / 0.02532970
    63.4 English
    21.6 Spanish_avg
    11.0 Belarusian
    4.0 Slovenian

    Distance to: b
    0.03012306 English
    0.03067749 German
    0.03251720 Scottish
    0.03394995 Dutch
    0.03702148 Danish
    0.03722282 Irish
    0.03757699 France_weighted_avg
    0.03882167 Austrian
    0.04051847 Icelandic
    0.04340353 Swedish
    0.04458948 Norwegian
    0.04525905 Hungarian
    0.04616605 Czech
    0.04739348 Slovenian
    0.04918754 Croatian
    0.05865835 Bosnian
    0.05912045 Moldovan
    0.05959862 Serbian
    0.06044315 Montenegrin
    0.06330448 Spanish_avg
    0.06356373 Romanian
    0.06439737 Slovakian
    0.06539824 Polish
    0.06836385 Ukraine_avg
    0.06960689 Portuguese

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  11. #16
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    BaltSlavCeltScandiGerm
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    American
    aDNA Match (1st)
    CZE_IA_La_Tene:I16272
    aDNA Match (2nd)
    HUN_IA_La_Tene:I20752
    aDNA Match (3rd)
    Denmark_Zealand_Sct_Clements_Copenhagen:KPN012
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1a>Z280>L365>FT2484
    mtDNA (M)
    H1c3b1*
    Y-DNA (M)
    I2a-CTS5966
    mtDNA (P)
    H2a3

    France Germany Poland Pomerania Russia Imperial Denmark Sweden
    grandma

    Distance to: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    0.02254927 France_weighted_avg
    0.03963972 Spanish_avg
    0.04079839 German
    0.04332153 English
    0.04360395 Austrian
    0.04648109 Dutch
    0.04704525 Scottish
    0.04761620 Portuguese
    0.05035380 Irish
    0.05293770 Danish
    0.05533581 Hungarian
    0.05683013 Norwegian
    0.05684663 Montenegrin
    0.05759234 Croatian
    0.05786414 Slovenian
    0.05806209 Icelandic
    0.05811205 Romanian
    0.05969983 Serbian
    0.06066175 Swedish
    0.06212317 Czech
    0.06289409 Bosnian
    0.06330963 Moldovan
    0.06613027 Macedonian
    0.06712538 Bulgarian
    0.07167289 Slovakian

    Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    Distance: 2.1577% / 0.02157714
    38.8 France_weighted_avg
    37.6 Spanish_avg
    17.6 Swedish
    6.0 Dutch

    Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    Distance: 2.1944% / 0.02194383 | ADC: 0.25x
    75.2 France_weighted_avg
    15.6 Spanish_avg
    5.6 Swedish
    3.6 Dutch

    Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    Distance: 2.2549% / 0.02254927 | ADC: 0.5x
    100.0 France_weighted_avg


    myself

    Distance to: boilermeschew827_scaled
    0.02567269 Czech
    0.02650674 Swedish
    0.03384641 Danish
    0.03408713 Slovakian
    0.03441458 German
    0.03470505 Hungarian
    0.03534078 Dutch
    0.03580799 Polish
    0.03748191 Austrian
    0.03806294 Norwegian
    0.03832618 Icelandic
    0.03947483 Ukraine_avg
    0.04048185 Slovenian
    0.04114352 Scottish
    0.04223184 Croatian
    0.04242594 English
    0.04468894 Irish
    0.05042830 Belarusian
    0.05106350 Russian_avg
    0.05321943 Bosnian
    0.05751221 Estonian
    0.05751785 Moldovan
    0.06029103 Finland_avg
    0.06089922 France_weighted_avg
    0.06284273 Montenegrin

    Target: boilermeschew827_scaled
    Distance: 1.8664% / 0.01866358
    42.6 Swedish
    14.4 Spanish_avg
    13.4 Latvian
    12.0 Russian_avg
    6.0 Dutch
    4.6 Finland_avg
    4.0 Slovakian
    3.0 Bosnian

    Target: boilermeschew827_scaled
    Distance: 1.9212% / 0.01921170 | ADC: 0.25x
    49.6 Swedish
    29.2 Czech
    12.2 Russian_avg
    6.0 Slovakian
    2.6 Spanish_avg
    0.4 Finland_avg
    Known Ancestry: NW Russian 25%, Central French 25%, North German 25%, Scandinavian 12.5%, mixed Polish/German (Pomerania) 12.5%

    yDNA: 2x great grandfather, born 1854, Danzig (Prussia/Poland/Pomerania)
    mtDNA: 3x great grandmother, born 1863, Bagneux, Indre, Centre Val-de Loire, France

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  13. #17
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    Irish
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    Australian & Irish
    Y-DNA (P)
    M222 (S588)
    mtDNA (M)
    J1c3f

    Ireland Australia Ireland County Tipperary Ireland Munster Ireland County Roscommon Ireland Connacht
    Distance to: Jessie_scaled
    0.01848790 Irish
    0.01914452 Icelandic
    0.01963632 Scottish
    0.02067727 Danish
    0.02206228 English
    0.02336456 Norwegian
    0.02458960 Dutch
    0.02678893 Swedish
    0.03333011 German
    0.04754192 Austrian
    0.04816810 Czech
    0.05203379 France_weighted_avg
    0.05444134 Hungarian
    0.06055514 Slovenian
    0.06076095 Slovakian
    0.06099953 Croatian
    0.06462540 Polish
    0.07018296 Ukraine_avg
    0.07131784 Bosnian
    0.07377269 Moldovan
    0.07514324 Montenegrin
    0.07645254 Serbian
    0.08053296 Romanian
    0.08117515 Belarusian
    0.08178551 Finland_avg


    Target: Jessie_scaled
    Distance: 1.6919% / 0.01691903
    57.8 Irish
    34.2 Icelandic
    8.0 Swedish


    Target: Jessie_scaled
    Distance: 1.6919% / 0.01691903 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    57.8 Irish
    34.2 Icelandic
    8.0 Swedish


    Target: Jessie_scaled
    Distance: 1.6963% / 0.01696274 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    54.6 Irish
    45.4 Icelandic


    Target: Jessie_scaled
    Distance: 1.6963% / 0.01696274 | ADC: 1x RC
    54.6 Irish
    45.4 Icelandic

    Target: Jessie_scaled
    Distance: 1.6963% / 0.01696274 | ADC: 2x RC
    54.6 Irish
    45.4 Icelandic

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  15. #18
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    49% Nord France, 18% Bretagne/Basse Normandie, 16% Pologne, 9% Allemagne/Alsace, 7% Hte Normandie
    Ethnicity
    French, Polish and German
    aDNA Match (1st)
    ITA_Collegno_MA:CL63
    aDNA Match (2nd)
    VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA:VK363
    aDNA Match (3rd)
    VK2020_DNK_Jutland_VA:VK329
    Y-DNA (P)
    I-M72
    mtDNA (M)
    H6a1a

    France Normandie France Bretagne Poland
    I mapped the results here with the free tool Mapchart. When it is hatched, it is that it is the closest country for a relative majority. For some regions in gray I have no results (some regions in Germany or Greece for example). Many imperfections in this map, in particular certain sub-regions within large regions cannot appear (for example Basque country within the Aquitaine region in France), on the contrary, certain large countries appear homogeneous like Poland but it is because I don't have regional data. A first draft in brief.

    Last edited by xerxez; 11-20-2022 at 01:42 PM.

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  17. #19
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    90
    Sex
    Location
    France
    Ethnicity
    Celto-Germanic and Berber
    Nationality
    French and Tunisian
    Y-DNA (P)
    E-V13
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1B L151

    Normandie Tunisia
    Mom and her brothers from Lower Normandy

    Target: Garay_scaled
    Distance: 3.3655% / 0.03365530
    36.0 Norwegian
    31.0 Spanish_avg
    20.4 France_weighted_avg
    12.6 Slovakian

    Target: Angelique_scaled
    Distance: 3.5583% / 0.03558350
    65.4 France_weighted_avg
    29.0 Norwegian
    4.8 Slovakian
    0.8 Portuguese

    Target: Doud_scaled
    Distance: 1.7487% / 0.01748661
    47.4 English
    23.6 Danish
    20.6 Spanish_avg
    8.4 France_weighted_avg

    If I add a sample from Tunisia (Bizerte like my father's family)
    I get this for me. I'm 5/8 Normand (1/8 from Pays de caux) and Tunisian.
    Target: Medaf_scaled
    Distance: 1.7732% / 0.01773206
    25.8 Norwegian
    25.2 Portuguese
    24.6 Tunisian_Bizerte
    13.8 Irish
    7.0 Italian_avg
    3.6 Cypriot

    Without Portugal (no known ancestry there)
    Target: Medaf_scaled
    Distance: 1.7867% / 0.01786725
    26.8 Tunisian_Bizerte
    24.8 Norwegian
    20.4 Spanish_avg
    15.6 Irish
    9.6 Italian_avg
    2.8 Cypriot

    Without Spain too. Results are much better
    Target: Medaf_scaled
    Distance: 1.7998% / 0.01799824
    37.0 France_weighted_avg
    28.8 Tunisian_Bizerte
    15.2 Norwegian
    12.0 Irish
    3.8 Cypriot
    3.2 Italian_avg

    Same without Iberian population and a North African one for my Norman family.
    Target: Doud_scaled
    Distance: 1.7760% / 0.01776043
    43.0 France_weighted_avg
    40.0 English
    16.6 Danish
    0.4 Tunisian_Bizerte

    Target: Garay_scaled
    Distance: 3.4020% / 0.03402019
    67.6 France_weighted_avg
    21.4 Norwegian
    10.2 Slovakian
    0.8 Tunisian_Bizerte

    Target: Angelique_scaled
    Distance: 3.5572% / 0.03557204
    65.0 France_weighted_avg
    29.6 Norwegian
    4.8 Slovakian
    0.6 Tunisian_Bizerte
    Last edited by Medaf; 11-20-2022 at 04:19 PM.

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  19. #20
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    Sex
    Location
    Laurentia
    Ethnicity
    80% Brit/Irish, 19% N Eur
    Nationality
    AMCIT
    aDNA Match (1st)
    GRO010 Groningen, Netherlands 0.0199
    aDNA Match (2nd)
    HAD009 Cambridgeshire 0.0205
    aDNA Match (3rd)
    SWG008 Schleswig-Holstein 0.0213
    Y-DNA (P)
    U152>L2>Z49>Z142>
    mtDNA (M)
    H1bt
    Y-DNA (M)
    I2a2a1b2a1b1>Y4925
    mtDNA (P)
    H37

    England Scotland Wales Germany Palatinate Ireland Leinster Sweden Finns
    Quote Originally Posted by PLogan View Post
    Playtime...
    Just comparing my distances to everyone else, I appear closer to 4 pop avg than most are to any single pop avg. Odd. Maybe it’s due to being a genetic mutt. Colonial American on mother’s and paternal mother’s side, and roughly 50% Welsh, 25% English, 12.5% Irish, 12.5% Scottish on my paternal grandfather’s side with 4% Romany and India thrown in via the Welsh, English and Scottish.

    I’m tempted to calculate the average of just the Scottish, Dutch, Irish, English, Danish, to see how close I am to that average.

    Are you able to plot me like you did for your family above? Just curious where I come out on 2 d

    Mitchell_scaled,0.1331730368,0.1340498833,0.058830 8246,0.0465122229,0.0372377377,0.0214745808,0.0009 400426,0.0066920288,0.0036814291,-0.0029157778,-0.0077946443,0.0004495998,-0.0080276771,-0.0133493992,0.0204937654,0.0043754565,-0.0076926588,0.0001266886,0.0079189772,0.002501199 7,0.0056150913,-0.0019784438,-0.0062856336,0.0151828693,-0.0033529927
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 11-20-2022 at 04:36 PM.
    Y dna continued: Z142>Z150>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    80% Brit/Ir-ish
    35% English/14% Welsh/15% Scot/11% Ulster Scot/5% Irish
    14% German/3% Scandi-Finn/2% French & Dutch/1% India

    Be more concerned about seeking the truth than winning an argument.

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